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    Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Now very excited about the forthcoming arrival of brevilles new machine. So thought instead of all the hype you could help me put something in the negative column so when I show it the OH she will at least think I have tried to balance things up.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    My comment is
    Its your money and you can do what you want with it as Australia is also a free country

    * Always base your decision on the features " you " want for a price that you can afford

    * Do you trust the Breville products (many do)

    Nothing much more to say until it arrives
    And it will arrive very soon

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    Only one thing that I can think of (and it legitimately would stop me buying it). The reliability is entirely unproven. No matter how wonderful it is, no matter how good the coffee is, no matter how good the price and usability is....if it spends half the time in the shop, then its useless.

    I personally would wait at least 3-6 months, and see how it goes once it hits mass market, as opposed to a few engineering samples that people have seen.

    If anyone wants to come in here and argue that its fine to buy a new machine as its been tested etc.....just look at what happened with the iPhone 4....

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D42405A43564140572F0 link=1309865502/2#2 date=1309866107
    Only one thing that I can think of (and it legitimately would stop me buying it). The reliability is entirely unproven. No matter how wonderful it is, no matter how good the coffee is, no matter how good the price and usability is....if it spends half the time in the shop, then its useless.

    Another good point
    However (fingers crossed) I hope it proves to be a winner and spends more time on the kitchen bench

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 72565F5F5C5C6672564A5456390 link=1309865502/1#1 date=1309866065
    Its your money and you can do what you want with it as Australia is also a free country
    but I live in my house and need to get OH approval

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 04124E014E0A4E1009030B0512090E07600 link=1309865502/4#4 date=1309866786
    but I live in my house and need to get OH approval
    Thats almost everyones hurdle that is handled delicately

    I find by offering an item of similar value the better half wants as a trade off, then its a given
    But you have to be able to afford it

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 203F3D273E2B3C3D2A520 link=1309865502/2#2 date=1309866107
    just look at what happened with the iPhone 4....
    Eek. I just ordered one of those! I thought about waiting 3 months, then 6 months, but if I waited a year, then I could really be sure. No wait, the I27 will be out by then.

    Doc, the 900 is wider than many other machines and will take up more real estate on the kitchen bench.

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    I fully expect that this will be a brilliant machine. With all the technology incorporated it will move the prosumer goal posts shifted so brilliantly by the EM6910.

    But like the aforementioned, it suffers one major flaw. It looks like a Breville! Ask yourself - Brand new top of the range Holden or second hand Porsche? What sort of person are you?

    So, my vanity is its flaw* ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 624348484F55260 link=1309865502/6#6 date=1309867854
    the 900 is wider than many other machines and will take up more real estate on the kitchen bench.
    I was surprised just how wide, 6cm broader than a lelit combi. By the time you add a grinder, knock box, tamper stand.....well youll want a good 70cm of bench width.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 213E3C263F2A3D3C2B530 link=1309865502/2#2 date=1309866107
    just look at what happened with the iPhone 4....
    I rushed in and got an iPhone 4 as soon as they came out, never had an iphone before, unbelievable how great it is. never once had an issue with it. the people saying that there was some problem with the antenna was a load of hot air.
    what other mobile phone is still the best after its over a year old!?

    Quote Originally Posted by 393832213F3A20530 link=1309865502/8#8 date=1309871307
    By the time you add a grinder, knock box, tamper stand.....well youll want a good 70cm of bench width.
    I just use my good ol Zassenhaus which fits in the draw under the espresso machine, my knock box lives outside the front door of the van and the tamper... where is that again? tamper stand? :o


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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    the problems with being an "early adopter"what ever the product is.

    The product is not extensively proven. However a warranty removes most of this risk.

    You may pay a premium price research and development costs money and these costs have to be recovered.

    Advantages bragging rights and that warm fuzzy feeling that having the latest and greatest can only give.


    How you value these things is very personal.

    How much money you have and are prepared to pay for this is very personal.

    Only you know the right answer for you.

    These are emotional issues.

    the less emotional issue would be does it make better coffee than the machine I have? :-?

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    The other advantage is that you have access to early adopter pricing which ends soon: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1203772677/9#9

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F243C272020450 link=1309865502/7#7 date=1309870848
    it suffers one major flaw. It looks like a Breville!
    I think that a Breville looks more at home in my kitchen than an Italian machine with the looks of a hospital heart machine. Just my personal choice.

    Barry

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 557665656E48536279747679170 link=1309865502/12#12 date=1309937806
    with the looks of a hospital heart machine.
    ;D Nice one.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B6E6364504C6069696A6A0F0 link=1309865502/11#11 date=1309930273
    The other advantage is that you have access to early adopter pricing which ends soon: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1203772677/9#9
    Which would be great if youd give out the required password - a week after requesting one by PM followed by an email yesterday.........

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 1A7019323A5D0 link=1309865502/14#14 date=1309945068
    Quote Originally Posted by 5B6E6364504C6069696A6A0F0 link=1309865502/11#11 date=1309930273
    The other advantage is that you have access to early adopter pricing which ends soon: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1203772677/9#9
    Which would be great if youd give out the required password - a week after requesting one by PM followed by an email yesterday.........
    G-Dog, those with less than 10 posts have been asked to phone, not send a pm or an email. Did you do that?

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D6B6E6E7F7D7178787B7B1E0 link=1309865502/15#15 date=1309946153
    G-Dog, those with less than 10 posts have been asked to phone, not send a pm or an email.* Did you do that?
    I emailed Chris twice in the last week regarding some pricing on equipment. Both times I received responses within a couple of minutes. Now if only I could decide what to buy!

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 6263697A64617B080 link=1309865502/16#16 date=1309951594
    Quote Originally Posted by 7D6B6E6E7F7D7178787B7B1E0 link=1309865502/15#15 date=1309946153
    G-Dog, those with less than 10 posts have been asked to phone, not send a pm or an email.* Did you do that?
    I emailed Chris twice in the last week regarding some pricing on equipment. Both times I received responses within a couple of minutes.* Now if only I could decide what to buy!

    G-Dog sent a PM. I normally reply and request that members under 10 posts call, but it looks like I missed this one. Apols.

    Guys, if you dont have 10 posts, you do have to call if you want access. The process is pretty clear really.* :-?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B6D6868797B777E7E7D7D180 link=1309865502/15#15 date=1309946153
    G-Dog, those with less than 10 posts have been asked to phone, not send a pm or an email.* Did you do that?
    TBH I didnt even know (much less care) how many posts I had. I pmd Chris, and recieved a reply (looks like an automatic one) saying that if I was after a password I didnt have to do anything else, he would get back to me soon. As Chris said - he missed my pm. I waited a week, then emailed him. I didnt get a reply to the email.
    Oh well - almost up to 10 now......

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Hi G-Dog.

    We request 10 posts or a phone call and every post linking to the member page does make that clear.

    I am sorry if you misinterpreted the auto reply, but my response to your email would also have been a request to call me.

    Sometimes as the guy on the other end of the PMs, I feel like many new members just ignore our request and think "Its ok. That doesnt apply to me even though its my first post". :-?

    Ive sent through the details now as you have 10 posts, so all is good, but we could have saved a week! ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 65505D5A6E725E57575454310 link=1309865502/19#19 date=1310037189
    We request 10 posts or a phone call and every post linking to the member page does make that clear.
    Hope you dont mind some of us whove just been lurking here for a while calling you :).

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 486B626F667070030 link=1309865502/20#20 date=1310041309
    Quote Originally Posted by 65505D5A6E725E57575454310 link=1309865502/19#19 date=1310037189
    We request 10 posts or a phone call and every post linking to the member page does make that clear.
    Hope you dont mind some of us whove just been lurking here for a while calling you :).
    ;D Ive been gazzumped!

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    we are getting a bit off topic !

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    So I gave it a week and no good reason was generated, this was enough to pursued OH. Deposit now put down with my local sponsor.

    So off to make space for it. I am told a lot of space [smiley=grin.gif]!

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 44520E410E4A0E5049434B4552494E47200 link=1309865502/23#23 date=1310284697
    Deposit now put down with my local sponsor.
    Welcome to the BDB club.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    But when can we expect the club to start in earnest?

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Late July, early August has often been mentioned. The first load may soon be on a slow boat from China. My guess is that release may be sometime in August.

    Barry

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Den tells me boat to arrive Aug 1st then week for him to get them and then a week or so for his tests.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A7C206F2064207E676D656B7C6760690E0 link=1309865502/27#27 date=1311679494
    Den tells me* boat to arrive Aug 1st then week for him to get them and then a week or so for his tests.
    As of 5:14pm this afternoon...

    We will be receiving our order in 3 lots.

    The first lot of 15 will arrive some time next week - Im guessing this will be late in the week. We will bench test and dispatch these to the first 15 people who placed an order with us.

    Im expecting another 15 to arrive on or just after the 10th and we will follow the same process as above.

    Our next x number of units will arrive sometime after the 18th August.

    Cheers
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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    I assume Chris is in a similar situation with receiving the orders in 3 lots or not?

    When is the remaining balance due? ;D lock it in eddy.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    We are nearly there!!!


    Those of us in Sydney will be able to see, touch and taste a Breville Dual Boiler at Aroma coffee festival at The Rocks this Sunday. Breville will be on the ground level just behind the Overseas passenger terminal. Tucked in behind Wildfire and the Cruise Bar.

    We won’t be able to take it home yet. We may have to wait a week or three for that.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Looks like an interesting machine

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    I gave it a go at aroma fest today and was impressed. Produced a very nice shot , didnt have to overdose. (the dose was set up on the smartgrinder by the breville team)* I was suprised in contrast to my old 6910 , it almost seemed too easy* :-?

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 687E226D2266227C656F67697E65626B0C0 link=1309865502/0#0 date=1309865502
    So thought instead of all the hype you could help me put something in the negative column* so when I show it the OH she will at least think I have tried to balance things up.

    Glad to see you got the go-ahead.* I was going to suggest a new OH ;)

    As for me, I just told my wife as she does with me and all was good.

    Twenty years of bliss.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    I got to play with the machine at the Aroma Festival yesterday as well.

    Poured a great shot with no fuss. Shame they were using the Organic Blend of Tobys which Im not a big fan of but it poured as good as Ive had it from Tobys, and the milk texture was, dare I say, better than I ever get from Tobys.

    Truly impressive machine and Ive now put my order in.

    The only negatives I saw were some plastic bits; the steam lever and the hot water knob. These will probably break at some point but Im hoping their easy to mod.

    I WAS going to wait for a second revision, however sometimes a second revision means a drop in quality, as processes are streamlined and costs are cut. I loved what I saw/tasted yesterday and I definitely think its worth the price. Ive been drinking coffee for a long time and I dont think I could tell the difference in the cup between this and a top-of-the-line commercial machine.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Quote Originally Posted by 77656A775B776B71676D040 link=1309865502/34#34 date=1312160762
    I got to play with the machine at the Aroma Festival yesterday as well.

    Poured a great shot with no fuss. Shame they were using the Organic Blend of Tobys which Im not a big fan of but it poured as good as Ive had it from Tobys, and the milk texture was, dare I say, better than I ever get from Tobys.
    I had a go at the Breville stall at the Aroma festival too. I was pretty impressed. My first time on the machine and I got pretty good results with no fuss at all.

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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    CoffeeGuy in Brisbane have a pretty decent special on the 900, though they have sold out their first batch as well.

    We are allowed to mention non-sponsors in this forum arent we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A5341525758585F53360 link=1309865502/36#36 date=1312166800
    We are allowed to mention non-sponsors in this forum arent we?
    I think you just did :-?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11030C113D110D17010B620 link=1309865502/34#34 date=1312160762
    The only negatives I saw were some plastic bits; the steam lever and the hot water knob. These will probably break at some point but Im hoping their easy to mod.

    Check every prosumer espresso machine on the market and check if the hot water tap and steam taps are made of plastic. I cant remember seeing one thats not ;) not saying there arent any but they would be in the minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3432252E34332B29400 link=1309865502/38#38 date=1312172042
    Quote Originally Posted by 11030C113D110D17010B620 link=1309865502/34#34 date=1312160762
    The only negatives I saw were some plastic bits; the steam lever and the hot water knob. These will probably break at some point but Im hoping their easy to mod.

    Check every prosumer espresso machine on the market and check if the hot water tap and steam taps are made of plastic. I cant remember seeing one thats not ;) not saying there arent any but they would be in the minority.
    The Isomac Mondiale springs to mind but thats besides the point ;)

    With the imminent arrival of these machines is there any new word on when the naked portafilters will be available? Im keen to get one as soon as a available.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 37252A371B372B31272D440 link=1309865502/34#34 date=1312160762
    The only negatives I saw were some plastic bits; the steam lever and the hot water knob. These will probably break at some point but Im hoping their easy to mod.
    As the steam tap is actually a lever, this concerned me too, so I put quite a bit of pressure on it. Having done that, I think you would need to want to break it - it wont just snap off in your hand one day.

    Quote Originally Posted by 232C2B362A21440 link=1309865502/39#39 date=1312172793
    With the imminent arrival of these machines is there any new word on when the naked portafilters will be available?
    Possibly never or at least not for quite some time. The ones Breville have were hand-tooled locally. The last time I spoke to Breville about having these available as an accessory, although keen to offer them, the cost and quantities involved were prohibitive.


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    Well I hope they offer spare portafilters to be purchased with the possibility of modifying it yourself locally, a bit dissapointed but oh well we cant have everything :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B6D6868797B777E7E7D7D180 link=1309865502/40#40 date=1312173842
    Possibly never or at least not for quite some time.* The ones Breville have were hand-tooled locally.* The last time I spoke to Breville about having these available as an accessory, although keen to offer them, the cost and quantities involved were prohibitive.
    Thats a shame as Phil told you they would be available
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1301294820/394#394

    I assume we will be able to get spare PF and as they are SS should not be to hard to chop and polish?

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    Re naked handles...

    If we can get together a group order of oh, say around 3000, I reckon I can bend their arm to make them for us. ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 3A2C703F7034702E373D353B2C3730395E0 link=1309865502/42#42 date=1312177084
    I assume we will be able to get spare PF and as they are SS should not be to hard to chop and polish?
    I dont know how hard it would be, or the cost, but think it would be the way to go.


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    Put me up for 1. Now you only have 2999 to go :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5244414150525E57575454310 link=1309865502/43#43 date=1312179701
    I dont know how hard it would be
    Is that not the sort of thing greg pullman can do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 33257936793D79273E343C32253E3930570 link=1309865502/45#45 date=1312185207
    Quote Originally Posted by 5244414150525E57575454310 link=1309865502/43#43 date=1312179701
    I dont know how hard it would be
    Is that not the sort of thing greg pullman can do?
    It sounds like you are asking me, when you should be asking Greg Pullman. ;)


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    Re: Why shouldnt I buy the BES 900

    Much to my astonishment, we have 3 punters who have pulled out of their early purchase package.* :o

    Drop me a line if youd like to grab one.

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    Insanity. Though bound to make three more punters happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F20273A262D480 link=1309865502/39#39 date=1312172793
    With the imminent arrival of these machines is there any new word on when the naked portafilters will be available? Im keen to get one as soon as a available.
    I caught up with Dave and Phil on Tuesday and the news is that there is definitely going to be a factory naked portafilter. It didnt sound too far away, so there will no need to chop.



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