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    BES878 - Breville "the Barista Pro" Owners Thread

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Just bought one of these, and seeing there isn't an owner's thread, thought I'd start one to share experiences.

    Also first time for me on the forums - go easy!

    Possibly is an iteration of the BES870, but it's new to the market with a (reported) new innovative feature called ThermoJetģ delivering a '3 seconds start up with ThermoJetģ heating system'.

    This is the link to the Breville BES878 "the Barista Pro" webpage.

    Here are the specs:


    • Accessories: Single & Dual Wall (1 & 2 Cup) Filter Baskets The Razor™ Precision Dose Trimming Tool 480 ml Stainless Steel Milk Jug Cleaning Kit Water Filter
    • Capacity: 2 L Water Tank 250 g Bean Hopper
    • Construction Materials: Brushed Stainless Steel
    • Dimensions: 35.4 x 41 x 40.6 cm 9.08 kg
    • Power: 1680 Watts
    • Settings: Adjustable Grind Control Intuitive LCD Interface 1 & 2 Cup Volumetric Control
    • Voltage: 220-240 Volts
    • Warranty: 2 Year Repair



    I'll refrain from posting my experiences until I've tried a couple of beans, grinds, and learnings, etc - only had it one day thus far.

    Oh - I paid $639 at Bing Lee via ebay using the 20% off ebay sale coupon.

    Cheers!

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    Looks like a decent little all-in-one... any reason why you didnít get the Dual Boiler (other than the extra $200+ w/ grinder)

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by shauno View Post
    Looks like a decent little all-in-one... any reason why you didn’t get the Dual Boiler (other than the extra $200+ w/ grinder)
    Couple of reasons - WAF on the real estate required for a coffee machine + grinder, and as you say it would have been another $2-300 more (just moved - feeling a bit skint...), I also like the idea of not having to turn on and warm up a machine for a while (will test this though), don't need to make more than one/two at a time and don't need to parallel milk/coffee (and don't drink more than 3 shots a day if at home, less so if heading into the city). I was heading for the 870 then saw this and thought, why not, which could be a risk but it seems the 870 + Breville heritage are ok for a home machine - they seem to be learning from the past.

    Right now I'm definitely still in the learning phase of the machine, plus have not had a chance to get some good fresh beans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyntee View Post
    I'll refrain from posting my experiences until I've tried a couple of beans, grinds, and learnings, etc - only had it one day thus far.
    Switched the thread title to align with what seems to be the official taxonomy....

    Test 1: Vitoria from local IGA, probably been there a while...
    • Grind: Various from 15 all the way down to 1...
    • Tamp: Within the 15-20Kgs as prescribed, used 'Razor'
    • Dose: 11 secs in double hopper, 7 in single
    • Pre-infustion: Default 3 seconds
    • Extraction: Default
    • Portafilter: Tried all, single and dual wall, single/double



    • Outcome: Always under extracted, first pour always less than 6 seconds, grinds damp/wet, puck sticks to head on smaller grind, hardly any creama
    • Taste: Let's not go there.
    • Feeling: Deflated and disappointed, but probably as expected.


    Test 2: Chagas Priest, roasted within 2 weeks, from local cafe. Spoke to the barista and he said he had the same machine. His recommendation was: 1. Don't use single shot filters - use double even for single shot, just make it shorter time, increase pre-infusion to 15secs and (I think he said so pinch of salt) extraction to 25secs, grind to 22.


    • Grind: 12
    • Tamp: Within the 15-20Kgs as prescribed, no need for Razor - good amount
    • Dose: 11 secs in double hopper
    • Pre-infustion: 10 seconds
    • Extraction: 15 seconds
    • Portafilter: Double shot single wall



    • Outcome: Good extraction but room for improvement, first pour about 9 (not sure why given settings will test and edit this as I go) seconds, grinds a little damp def not dry, good creama
    • Taste: Much improved, smooth, very drinkable, little weak perhaps (NB with milk, latte)
    • Feeling: Much happier, want another.

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    Test 3: Chagas Priest, roasted within 2 weeks, from local cafe.


    • Grind: 11
    • Tamp: Within the 15-20Kgs as prescribed, no need for Razor - good amount
    • Dose: 12.5 secs in double hopper
    • Pre-infustion: Was set to 10 secs but seemed to only be 6...
    • Extraction: 10 seconds (again, seems to be misaligned with the custom settings)
    • Portafilter: Double shot single wall




    • Outcome: Good extraction best so far, first pour after about 6 seconds, puck only slightly moist but good shape and form, did stick to hopper but easy to remove, excellent creama, shot possibly a little small. Need to work out why everything was done after 16 seconds.
    • Taste: Awesome, sweet and smooth, good bouquet, good strength, very very drinkable
    • Feeling: Chuffed

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    Sounds like youíre getting there... itís fun to play around with, unfortunately a limited tasting experience unless you want to get wired! (Or get some good decaf beans)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyntee View Post
    Spoke to the barista and he said he had the same machine.
    What are the odds of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shauno View Post
    Sounds like you’re getting there... it’s fun to play around with, unfortunately a limited tasting experience unless you want to get wired! (Or get some good decaf beans)
    I guess that's part of the game... I can't drink coffee after 2pm or I stay away too late.... and 2 cups a day is sufficient!

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    What are the odds of that?
    I know... I was like.. the Barista Pro, the new one? yup apparently so.....

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    Thanks Jimmyntee for the test runs and the thread information. I have been reading this this website on an off for a year or so, but just finally joined! Good to know there's a few people out there with this machine as well.

    We've just got this machine after our BES870 failed after 5 years (Wasn't getting any pressure through the group head) and was thankfully covered under product care, so we decided to upgrade for a few extra dollars!
    I am liking the ability to customise settings quite a bit compared to the BES870 and provides a nice challenge each day to get better with each pour. I feel that we reached our limit with the BES870, but was still a very good machine for the price, and this feels like a comfortable step up. We also used the Dual Boiler for a couple of weeks and really enjoyed that, but didn't want to lash out for that and a grinder as well.

    Currently we are using a locally roasted coffee, but normally use Republica beans and have always liked the result from this even though it's a supermarket bean that was probably roasted months and months ago.... anyway, would be good to discuss other peoples experiences with this machine.

    Happy coffee drinking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALICESPRINGS View Post
    Currently we are using a locally roasted coffee, but normally use Republica beans and have always liked the result from this even though it's a supermarket bean that was probably roasted months and months ago.... anyway, would be good to discuss other peoples experiences with this machine.
    Hi - thanks, what settings did you land on?

    I finally settled on 13 second grind with locally roasted beans with the above custom pre-infusion and extraction totalling about 23 seconds.

    I got given a bag of supermarket Lavazza Espresso, had some concerns but tbh, surprised by the outcome. I just dialled the grind finer to 10 and increased the dose to 13.5 seconds, again resulting in a 23 second pour. Good creama, robust taste (not comparable but not bad also). Puck still seems to stick to the roof of the hopper.

    Will keep reining - would like to get the pour a little slower!

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    I recently bought this machine from The Good Guys, with the Mothers Day special of 2KG Beans from Pablo & Rusty's, Porter St Blend. I have the machine set to the following specs,

    I always use 2 shots
    Grind = 9
    Grind time = 15.5 Seconds NOTE: I take the handle out when it reaches 5.5 secs and gently push down the grind to stop it overflowing and wasting coffee, then put it back in for the last 5.5 secs. You have 10 seconds to do this before the timer resets.
    Brew/Pour Time = Usually 24-26 seconds
    Pre Infusion = about 5 seconds
    Tamp = fairly firm, but not too hard

    Result is great. I get a good coffee, lots of crema, full bodied and full flavour. Puck is nearly dry and firm when tapping out. Not soggy, loose or muddy. Can be picked up without breaking apart.
    Overall I am VERY happy with this machine, which I got to replace a Barista 870 which failed after many years, tons of use and 2 repairs. Would recommend it.
    It took a few experiments to get the settings right, but once I did, I was happy.
    Have tried many different types of coffee beans and it gives consistent results on the same settings.
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    Just got one of these. Still figuring out how to pull a good shot but it's getting better.

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    Also just picked up one of these, and so far am very impressed! I can endorse Aquila's settings above as a starting point - they deliver a good shot.

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    Hey Crew,

    I have this machine - have an interesting dilemma.

    Grind set to 10, time on 15 seconds, using beans from a cafe called Archer (love their coffee!).

    I'll grind into double-shot single-wall cup, pour almost perfect - great flow, great crema, good pour time.

    Then I'll rinse, wipe, and grind for the next shot. Exactly the same settings. But the second time around, the shot almost always severely over-extracts - like just a few black drips come out over the first 20 seconds.

    Anyone else encountered this? I'm confused as to how the shot changes so much between two seemingly identical shots?

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    Sounds like stale grounds/beans in the first shot with fresh in the 2nd.


    Java "Was the grinder purged after the last use?" phile
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    Good Morning Guys

    I been told the best coffee is around 18-22 gr for a double shot and 25-30 secs pour, I am finding it hard to get to this point. at the moment I am at grind 8 with 14.5 seconds and it is pouring around 16grs and under 23secs. HELP!! Who has a bullet proof settings

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    18 grams is the optimum weight for a double basket of the 878's size, 22 grams is over dosing. You need to grind finer.
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    Hi Barista Pro owners,

    We have this model in the UK labelled as "Sage". Has anyone had any joy with the programmed espresso shot?

    You are supposed to select custom single or double cup and hold down the button for pre-infuse and release for extraction.
    Once you hit the desired amount you press the cup button to stop.

    However, this doesn't seem to be the case as the pressing and holding the cup button goes straight to "shot".

    Phoned Sage who only had the Breville model and could not get it to pre-infuse and only replicate what I was finding.

    Anyone had any success? What am I doing wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtEricko View Post
    Good Morning Guys

    I been told the best coffee is around 18-22 gr for a double shot and 25-30 secs pour, I am finding it hard to get to this point. at the moment I am at grind 8 with 14.5 seconds and it is pouring around 16grs and under 23secs. HELP!! Who has a bullet proof settings
    Unfortunately there is no bulletproof setting for any grinder.
    Grind setting will vary with the type of beans, their post-roast age, humidity...and from hour to hour in any given day.

    18 grams to extract 25 or so to 35 or so grams of brew in 25 to 35 seconds is a ballpark figure.

    If you are getting gushers and the beans aren't stale supermarket ones you'll have to grind finer.

    If the burrs are still one setting from touching each other and the beans are beyond reproach ---and the coffee is unacceptable to your taste....a commercial style grinder may be the only option.
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    Hey guys, have had this machine for around 2 weeks now..

    Whatís everyoneís routine getting the portafilter up to temp? Do you flush some water through a few times or is there any other good techniques you could share?

    Iíve had other machines in the past (single boilers, HX and double boilers) and simply leaving the portafilter locked in for a desired amount of time did the trick. With this machine, Iíve left it in for around 20 minutes with no affect..

    Is this normal?

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tampinator View Post
    Hey guys, have had this machine for around 2 weeks now..

    Whatís everyoneís routine getting the portafilter up to temp? Do you flush some water through a few times or is there any other good techniques you could share?

    Iíve had other machines in the past (single boilers, HX and double boilers) and simply leaving the portafilter locked in for a desired amount of time did the trick. With this machine, Iíve left it in for around 20 minutes with no affect..

    Is this normal?

    Cheers,

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    Hi Jack,

    I'm usually doing a coffee run first thing in the morning as I'm get ready for work.
    I start the machine run a single cup with an empty portafilter in place. After a run it kind of holds the water in place so when I revisit a couple of mins later it's warm too touch.
    When I remove it the water drains out and I prep it ready for the grind.

    Hope that helps.

    p.s have you seen my post above? When your more familiar with the machine see what happens when you try to run a programmed espresso shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKBarista View Post
    Hi Barista Pro owners,

    We have this model in the UK labelled as "Sage". Has anyone had any joy with the programmed espresso shot?

    You are supposed to select custom single or double cup and hold down the button for pre-infuse and release for extraction.
    Once you hit the desired amount you press the cup button to stop.

    However, this doesn't seem to be the case as the pressing and holding the cup button goes straight to "shot".

    Phoned Sage who only had the Breville model and could not get it to pre-infuse and only replicate what I was finding.

    Anyone had any success? What am I doing wrong.
    Hi UKbarista, I gave it a shot today and it worked fine. I held my finger down on single shot button until I was happy with my preinfusion time, then take my finger off and itíll go straight to full pressure. Once Iím happy with the overall amount of coffee being poured out I pressed the button again to turn it off.

    Hope this helps..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tampinator View Post
    Hi UKbarista, I gave it a shot today and it worked fine. I held my finger down on single shot button until I was happy with my preinfusion time, then take my finger off and itíll go straight to full pressure. Once Iím happy with the overall amount of coffee being poured out I pressed the button again to turn it off.

    Hope this helps..
    So the issue was me interpreting the instructions.


    So the pre-program does work by selecting the custom button. Holding the button to pre-infuse and releasing for extraction with one additional press to stop.
    Whilst doing this you will not see the screen say anything other than shot and this is where I thought it wasn't working.

    Once the cycle is complete it will go back to normal.
    From this point on when you press the cup button it will not use the default mode but will follow your custom setting.

    Top Tip :

    If like me you are using the two cup basket all the time leave this one as factory default pre-programmed option.
    Instead set the 1 cup as the custom with your desired pre-infusion time and extraction.
    I have set custom 1 cup to 10sec pre-infuse and 30 second extraction. I can override the stop whenever I want by button press.
    Hope this helps if anyone in the future comes across this post.
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    Are folks still happy with their Barista Pros? Considering buying one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtyuiop View Post
    Are folks still happy with their Barista Pros? Considering buying one...
    Hey bud, Iím happy with mine so far.. only problem I have which was really an oversight on my behalf when purchasing the machine is that it doesnít have a pressure gauge to determine whether youíre hitting 9bars or pressure while brewing..
    instead, youíll have to go off length of pour, volume in the cup and colour of the espresso.

    On the plus side it did make me use my taste buds more when judging if itís a good dial in rather then going off numbers (like pressure etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tampinator View Post
    Hey bud, Iím happy with mine so far.. only problem I have which was really an oversight on my behalf when purchasing the machine is that it doesnít have a pressure gauge to determine whether youíre hitting 9bars or pressure while brewing..
    instead, youíll have to go off length of pour, volume in the cup and colour of the espresso.

    On the plus side it did make me use my taste buds more when judging if itís a good dial in rather then going off numbers (like pressure etc).
    Noted - thanks!

    Yeah, I saw some other folks (in a review I think) complain about the lack of pressure gauge, but it does seem like a solvable problem. I am a complete beginner when it comes to real coffee machines so may struggle, though...

    Danny
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    Hi,

    I just got this machine & my pre-infusion time is always 6 - 7 secs...I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I notice at 20gm I can barely tamp it below the rim - its that full & dense. For me to get a proper tamp for a double shot, i need about 16 - 17gm which is below the recommended range.

    At least with the Barista Express you can see the pre-infusion pressure, but with the pro everything is in seconds which is odd & hard to gauge.

    Any advise on how to pull a proper shot?

    Not sure if i read the manual right but how do I custom set the pre-infusion to 9 sec?

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    Quote Originally Posted by titanax View Post
    Hi,

    I just got this machine & my pre-infusion time is always 6 - 7 secs...I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I notice at 20gm I can barely tamp it below the rim - its that full & dense. For me to get a proper tamp for a double shot, i need about 16 - 17gm which is below the recommended range.

    At least with the Barista Express you can see the pre-infusion pressure, but with the pro everything is in seconds which is odd & hard to gauge.

    Any advise on how to pull a proper shot?

    Not sure if i read the manual right but how do I custom set the pre-infusion to 9 sec?

    What does the resulting coffee taste like? You seem very keen to measure seconds and grams. Are you using freshly roasted freshly ground coffee?

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    It sounds like your coffee needs to be grounds finer titanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by titanax View Post
    Hi,

    I just got this machine & my pre-infusion time is always 6 - 7 secs...I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I notice at 20gm I can barely tamp it below the rim - its that full & dense. For me to get a proper tamp for a double shot, i need about 16 - 17gm which is below the recommended range.

    At least with the Barista Express you can see the pre-infusion pressure, but with the pro everything is in seconds which is odd & hard to gauge.

    Any advise on how to pull a proper shot?

    Not sure if i read the manual right but how do I custom set the pre-infusion to 9 sec?
    Look 4 posts above this and you will see my explanation on custom pre-infusion.
    I'll be honest it doesn't seem intuitive at first.

    I think the pre-infuse is right at 6-7 secs. Pour seems to be done by 16-18 secs. I'm happy with my grind time, size and quantity for a double.
    I've played with custom. Pre-infuse at 10. Grinding way less (3-6) rather than my usual 7-9 range pulling a 20'ish second shot. To be honest I found the pre-programmed well dialed.

    The other thing to be aware of is the volumetric measuring. If you go way too fine on the grind in auto mode, it will only pull short @ 35-40ml. It doesn't pull a double 55-60ml if the grind is too fine. Just take your time in finding the right grind size that gives you decent crema and a full 55-60ml of espresso.

    Don't get caught in the trap I did with how other machines operate. This seems to be very different.
    I easily skipped comments on "every machine is different". They really are!

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    New Breville Barista Pro owner here, looking to get to know more about my machine ( not yet popular here in Canada, the 870 still number 1 ), a bit challenging but I’m sure I will manage ������

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    This looks like a very good option for my shop where it'll sit above the microwave. Had a BES920 (older Breville dual boiler) and my limited space made having a separate grinder very cumbersome.

    This seems to tick all the boxes: PID, quick warm up time, built in grinder etc.

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    What’s the right way to do a ‘back flush’ after each coffee making session? Currently I put an empty portafilter in and run a single cup dose, then put the blind disc in (no hole in this one, I’ve read the Barista Express model needs a hole in the disc?) then run a two cup dose and empty out the dirty water with coffee particles.

    Am I doing it correctly?

    P.S - should I be changing to the single shot sized basket every time? I’ve just been using the blind disc in the double shot basket as that’s the only size I use for my coffees.

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    I got the Breville Barista Pro BES878 a week ago and I'm not convinced the water temperature is high enough. I'm no barista so I can't be sure, but my shots seem off after all the usual adjustments (different beans, different grind coarseness, different amount of grinds and tamping pressures, running a few shots to warm things up, etc).

    So I decided to measure the temperature of the water falling out of the group head and found after 3 shots, it only gets as high as 75C/167F, on the highest temp setting. Google tells me that should be closer to 195-205F (90-96C), so almost 20% too cold. I used 3 different thermometers, all within a couple degrees of each other.

    I figure it could cool a little bit falling into my (warmed) cup where I'm measuring, but trying to minimize that. Can you guys tell me what temp the water comes out of yours at? I would expect it should be closer to 90C/195F. I'm trying to decide if I need to return this or if I just need to keep trying!

    (B.T.W. the first shot is 61C/141F and warms significantly after a couple shots.)

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    I called Breville Support to see what they'd say and they said its possibly just the way I'm measuring, etc, but were convinced enough thet they said I could try to replace it and see if the new one is better. So that's what I'm doing. Fingers crossed that the new one gets the water temp straight out of the head closer to 90C/195 (after running a few shots to warm it all up still). I've seen enough temperature problems posts with various models that I'm worried it won't make a difference, but hopeful, so we'll see soon.

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    Water temperature should be measured as it emerges from the shower screen, not in the cup.

    You need a quick-responding thermocouple like a K-type with digital multimeter with temperature setting.

    Remove the basket and thread the TC up through the portafilter spout and into where the basket normally sits. Put a little some tissue paper around the TC to slow the water going through the portafilter.


    Put the portafilter into the group and let temperature there stabilise.

    Then run water as though pulling a shot and observe the temperature.

    Another way is to take a polystyrene cup, cut off half of it or more horizontally, and poke a small hole in the side through which you poke the thermocouple.

    Put it under the group so the rim of the cup is touching the bottom of the group, and take a reading.
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    Thanks for the help Robusto.

    I tried a couple other ways of measuring it including with the papertowel in the portafilter with my instant-read digital thermometer poking up through a spout into the paper towel. (I bent the straight tip of thermometer so it could curve through the spout, and I tested against another thermometer to make sure the bending didn't break it.)

    That method did make a difference of about 6C/11F so now measuring 81C/178F. So that is significantly closer, but still pretty far off (another 10C/17F) from the *minimum* temperature recommended to make a good shot (91C/195F). And remember, this is all with the machine set at the *highest* temp possible (and after running 4-5 double shots through first to warm things up). At that setting, I expect it to be closer to the recommended maximum temp for a good shot (96C/205F), not 15C/27F below that.

    Actually, I just realized that the cup warmer on mine doesn't work either, so that's pretty conclusive for me that mine's a lemon. It's not a feature I care about (I warm my cup with hot water), so I didn't notice until now, but it's still room temp after 20 mins.

    I really hope the replacement does the trick, because I don't know what machine I would get in the same $ ballpark with the same features to replace it (built in grinder, single walled filters, fast warm up in theory, and good milk frother, etc).
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    I just received the replacement unit, and I'm happy to report that measuring the temp the same way (with a paper towel in the filter-less portafilter, with my self-bent instant-read digital thermometer poking up through a spout into the paper towel) gave a way better result of 92C/198F at the default middle temp setting. I also tried it at the max temperature setting and it momentarily hit a high of 96C/205F, so that's more like I was expecting! Again this is after running 3-4 double shots through as it takes at least 2-3 shots to warm the machine up from cold. So my old unit was definitely a dud, and I'm happy this one is better.

    It's too late at night for me to actually taste the espresso much, but I think I'll be able to dial things in properly now. If only I could get back the $30 worth of espresso I wasted trying to figure out what I was doing wrong with the malfunctioning machine..

    Note: the cup warmer is still barely perceptibly warm to the touch. The thermometer measured 28.5C/82.5F in a 24C/75F degree room after 20 minutes, so that's not warming anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamo View Post
    Note: the cup warmer is still barely perceptibly warm to the touch. The thermometer measured 28.5C/82.5F in a 24C/75F degree room after 20 minutes, so that's not warming anything.
    It's probably sucking power so it's warming the globe at least.

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    I just got my Pro and I love it but is there a trick to removing the hopper with beans in it and then seating it back in. I have to fight to get beans out of the burr grinder first

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    ^^^
    The easiest way is to suck them out with a vacuum nozzle.
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    Ive got my Pro a week ago and Im finally pulling the shot I like. For a double: Grind size 8, 17g in, 20 second pour. out 60 ml ............Im just curious. Why does the puck stick yo the group head so often?

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    Has anyone adjusted the pre infusion setting?

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    Has anyone measured temperature stability over the course of single and double shot extraction? I wonder how stable it is compared to machines that use a boiler.

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    I just go this machine in time for christmas!!! I'm a beginner, please be easy on me.

    I use Di Bella Arnika Coffee Beans

    Grind: level 7
    Grind time: 10.5 (I measured around 19-20g, depending on how clumsy I am that day I had a laugh)
    Pre Infusion and pour: pre-programmed (didnt need to adjust it!)

    It's goooooooooood. But I want more crema. I tried adjusting the grind size up until 5, it began to taste really bitter, but crema was taller. I'm not sure if I did that one right.

    Also, I can't seem to make good of the milk frother. Any tips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boren View Post
    Has anyone measured temperature stability over the course of single and double shot extraction? I wonder how stable it is compared to machines that use a boiler.
    Iím in the US and have the Bambino which uses the same heating system as the Barista Pro and Touch. Recently I had a few people over and made back to back espressos. Donít have the temp in the puck but in the cup all were right at 170F which is where they should be. Based on that Iíd say it is pretty temp stable.

    As to the cup warmer, well with the 2 different Ďinstant oní machines Iíve been testing, it is a nice decoration. The top never gets warm enough to do anything IMO.

    That little ThermoJet they are using for these machines is really amazing engineering. Hot and ready in 3 seconds or so, just a tad longer to start getting steam and the quick temp reduction after steaming is really neat.

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    Volumetric Control - Barista Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by UKBarista View Post
    Look 4 posts above this and you will see my explanation on custom pre-infusion.
    I'll be honest it doesn't seem intuitive at first.

    I think the pre-infuse is right at 6-7 secs. Pour seems to be done by 16-18 secs. I'm happy with my grind time, size and quantity for a double.
    I've played with custom. Pre-infuse at 10. Grinding way less (3-6) rather than my usual 7-9 range pulling a 20'ish second shot. To be honest I found the pre-programmed well dialed.

    The other thing to be aware of is the volumetric measuring. If you go way too fine on the grind in auto mode, it will only pull short @ 35-40ml. It doesn't pull a double 55-60ml if the grind is too fine. Just take your time in finding the right grind size that gives you decent crema and a full 55-60ml of espresso.

    Don't get caught in the trap I did with how other machines operate. This seems to be very different.
    I easily skipped comments on "every machine is different". They really are!

    Hi all - im new here so bear with me if i have gone about this incorrectly!
    Re volumetric control.....on my new Barista pro i tried setting up volumetric control for the double shot in accordance with the user manual ie enter menu > scroll to custom double shot > select via menu button > press and hold to set pre infusion time (which i set to 8 secs) > release to commence extraction > press again to stop / programme. I stopped it at 42g making allowance for a couple of more drips after stopping extraction with the intention of hitting 45g out. According to the manual the machine should beep to confirm new setting however i am not getting a beep & upon weighing subsequent extractions of the same beans batch the output varies alot right up to 57g which suggests the volumetric control did not store!! What am i doing incorrectly? Thanks in advance!

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    New to the world of coffee machines and got our PRO back in November. I have adjusted the upper burr finer from 6 to 5 but still finding I have to run low grinder settings (<6) to get a 20-25 second extraction (with 8 second pre-infusion) for a double shot. Default factory settings giving about 16-18 second total extraction time which seems a bit short though resulting shots look fine & taste ok.

    Coffee we have tried thus far.
    Aldi Lazzio medium roast & Colombian SO - Both drinkable (using 350ml cups for my cappuccinos, so milk & sugar can hide a multitude of sins I guess ). Prefer the Colombian but can get a little bitter at times. Just using default extraction settings (though shot temp set to highest level) and grind setting on 6 for 13.5 sec gives 20-22 second extraction.

    Warfighter coffee (Artisan House Blend) - Good, my wife's favourite so far! Same as above though grinder on 4-5.

    Pablo & Rusty's Porter St - Liked this one. Same settings as above.

    Coffee Snobs Expresso WOW - Got my grinder setting on 1 with 14 sec grind time gets me a 24-28 sec extraction. With grinder on 5 it was about 16-19 sec extraction. Interesting after taste and not quite as sweet as those above. My wife quite likes it and it's growing on me

    Coffee Snobs India Elephant Hills AA grade - Haven't opened it yet but will let you know what I think in a week or so.

    Cheers
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    Do you guys find the volumetric control to be consistent? A friend's Pro seems to be all over the place, especially after adjusting grind. Shouldn't a finer grind just result in longer extractions to get to the same pre-defined volume? It seems it can result in the extraction ending prematurely, providing only ~15 milliliter of coffee instead of the target (25 milliliter). Adjusting grind to be coarser can get the amount to be correct, but it then extracts too fast (ends after 15 sec instead of 25 sec).

    I guess a different way to ask this would be - are you able to dial this machine to provide 25 milliliter of coffee in 25 seconds?



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