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Thread: Italian vs Dual Boiler 'Appliance' - Help Please :)

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    Italian vs Dual Boiler 'Appliance' - Help Please :)

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    Hi All,

    I've just come across your website and I've got to say a huge thanks to you all for sharing information etc etc. It's just amazing! Going from the advice I've now found a local roaster for my beans - no more Coles specials...hahaha.

    After a recent lightning storm (yes, no surge protector) my Breville Barista Express died and I'm ready to purchase a new machine. I have about $1,200 - $1,400 to spend and would like to get a machine that is going to last 5-10 years if serviced correctly. I have a cheap grinder (entry level Sunbeam) so I'm thinking that will have to be added into the budget.

    My question: Will the Breville and Sunbeam dual boiler machines last more than 5 years if serviced correctly? When I search on review sites I do seem to find lots 'help' questions. The Product Review website isn't too favourable for the 'appliances', whereas its much better for machines like the Silvia V1-5 (only in my brief searches).

    I generally have people over (6+) every month and would like to make coffees for all so I'm thinking a dual boiler might be better but I want something to last and have part easily replaced. In saying this, I've only known single boiler machines and I'd rather longevity!

    Any advice would be appreciated and even a link to another posting.

    Thank you so much in advance.

    Anthony.

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    I had a first gen Breville DB machine and it lasted almost 7 years with no servicing. The current model is improved in many ways and should last longer I'd guess. Also, they are fairly easy to get spare parts for. I think it is the best bang for your buck under $1500, considering it has temp control, volumetric dosing, shot counter and is a dual boiler.

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    Thank you so much for the reply. It's pretty confusing for the newbie so your advice really helps.

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    7 years for a BES900 with no servicing is far from typical. I have a BES920 and I would suggest expecting 5 years with servicing. If longevity is important don't bother with the appliance brands (of which Breville is the best). Try one of these:

    https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/...ctoria-ex-demo
    https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/...lelit-pl41tem/

    I would recommend avoiding buying a Silvia new until they come with a PID, if they ever do.
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    Agree with above...

    Particularly like the "Lelit PL41TEMD" which includes a PID Controller for the boiler. Allows for exacting control of the brew water temperature and loads of clean, dry steam for milk texturing.

    Mal.

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    Hi Anthony and welcome to CS.

    A PID'd Italian single boiler will make great coffee and if looked after it is the type of machine you could trade in, say in ten years time !

    The current version of the Lelit Victoria also has "endless steam" like a heat exchanger (HX) or dual boiler (DB). This makes it pretty easy to bang out, say, 6 (or 16 ...) cappuccinos without stopping to refill the boiler. Given you regularly entertain, that would be the one I'd recommend.

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    For the price you can get a breville dual boiler Iíd say there is no comparison. Often with good guys 20% off and other sales etc like Jb hi fi they are great machines.

    I had one for a few years (purchased through Jb hi fi) it broke a couple of times but returning through Jb was painless and walked away with a new one that day.

    I went to a 4K dual boiler ECM, to a 5.5k LM linea mini to now an 8k LM GS3. Honestly I preferred the dual boiler over the ECM as mainly I didnít like the E61 layout. In terms of coffee difference, besides well trained tasters and you really dialling in your grind etc. most wont tell the difference. The only suggestion is get a grinder thatís appropriate (sweeping generalisation here but letís say $1000 retail will do the job - mazzer mini, eureka atom, Macap M4d).

    So for me it comes down to reliability and what you expect. Iím going to say 3 years minimum you should get out of it. Do your sums from there. Often after warranty the cost of repairing is prohibitive to just buying a new one. Thatís for each person to make their decision.

    Hope that helps.

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    Guys,
    Thank you so much for this. It helps so much. I want to do this right and once for the next 10 years so I may wait another 2 months to save for a better grinder too. That Victoria looks so nice... I'd definitely want to match it with a great and stylish grinder.
    Thanks again all.
    Terrific help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dischucker View Post
    I had a first gen Breville DB machine and it lasted almost 7 years with no servicing. The current model is improved in many ways and should last longer I'd guess. Also, they are fairly easy to get spare parts for. I think it is the best bang for your buck under $1500, considering it has temp control, volumetric dosing, shot counter and is a dual boiler.
    If you end up sticking with a Breville DB (BES920), DJs seems to be the lowest currently at $900 click and collect. Good run out of the original one. Obviously you know how to look after one of these.

    If you go for a different machine, be sure to check out servicing costs for these also.

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    You could consider the Lelit Kate too. Essentially it is a Victoria (PID, 58mm group, pre-infusion, endless steam, shot timer) with a timed conical burr grinder built in. I take one on holidays because it's easy to transport, coffee quality is great and it can cater for the whole crew.

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    Yeah great. I've actually just been dealt with a big blow. It seems the counter space I've been given from the boss only has 45cm height clearance. Also, I live in country NSW so I'm not sure about servicing. I may have to call around to see who services what here because the local ones only do the appliances.

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    I loved my Breville Dual Boiler... while it was working. I got about 3 years out of my BES920.

    I'd like to say it was a blip but a mate bought his at the same time as we got a good deal and his broke down in warranty and was replaced... then he had a warranty repair on the plastic group collar and now it's out of warranty but still working for him.

    Mine could be fixable.... but I've been warned that it might not be cost effective and there's no guarantee something else won't go soon at its age. So I decided to upgrade to an Italian machine.

    My Silvia served me well.... Although currently
    I'd recommend one of the other machines mentioned above as the Silvia has stood still and been surpassed while rising in price IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsmithone99 View Post
    Also, I live in country NSW so I'm not sure about servicing. I may have to call around to see who services what here because the local ones only do the appliances.
    Unless you experience some kind of catastrophic machine failure - Very rare - Nearly all the maintenance and service needs and requirements can be attended to, by the owner. And, if you purchased from one of our Site Sponsors, they are only a phone call away if a bit of hand holding is needed, in the beginning.

    Ongoing service and maintenance requirements are very simple for decent quality espresso machines, such as the ones being recommended above, and you should not feel intimidated. Once you gain an understanding of these, it will become second nature...

    Mal.
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    For sure Mal. It is one of the key differences between dealing with a department store (or online only) and a full-service specialist. Our customers have lifetime access to our workshop, parts and barista teams. Have a problem in five/ten years? Call us up and we will be able to: 1. answer the phone! 2. diagnose issues 3. offer a solution or two. Not only is it part of the service, but we love doing it

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    Well said Charlie...

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    You guys are all awesome. I think I'm just going to wait and then triple check with which Italian machine I really want with grinder etc etc in a month or 2. Family friends are dropping off an old Sunbeam (I think EMS7000) so hopefully that will help a bit. I can now confidently walk past all the appliances in Harvey Norman without envy as I have 10 year ownership goggles on.

    Charlie-Ill give you a buzz in November once I'm ready!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsmithone99 View Post
    You guys are all awesome. I think I'm just going to wait and then triple check with which Italian machine I really want with grinder etc etc in a month or 2. Family friends are dropping off an old Sunbeam (I think EMS7000) so hopefully that will help a bit. I can now confidently walk past all the appliances in Harvey Norman without envy as I have 10 year ownership goggles on.

    Charlie-Ill give you a buzz in November once I'm ready!
    Looking forward to it Anthony

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    My breville Bes900 just died a week ago. Bite the bullet and put an order on a ex demo lelit Victoria from jet black espresso . I must say service from Amber is impeccable over the phone with patience.. My 1st major upgrade after 8 years. Really looking forward to the machine arrival.
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