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    Let the experiment begin

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I just landed an ebay whopper....

    Ill know more when I actually get it, but its exactly what Ive been looking for.
    I got some of the background from another coffeesnob, so Ive been chasing one of these for a while.


    Its pronounced "Frunken-steen!" ;)

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    Ah, so YOU got the San Remo, Sparky....

    ;D

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    It is pronounced Fronken - steen!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by stratford link=1130071451/0#1 date=1130073629
    Ah, so YOU got the San Remo, Sparky....

    ;D
    not unless Mark has recently moved to darwin ;)

    Anyway Mark I thoiught you were holding out for a cimbali, I did notice a two group cimbali and grinder finished early, youre not the guilty party are you *:D

    A quick ebay search has caused me to change my hypothsesis. I suggest you scored the faema due, if so well done, as cimbali now own faema you are forgiven ;)
    I hope the parts are a bit cheaper than Cimbali though :(

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    No on the San Remo, No on the Due. The Due has an 8l boiler and is bloody huge!

    Ill be very keen to compare this machine to the BZ35e, that is once Ive made a few mods.


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    That would be me that got the Duo...

    Its going to be a long drive to pick it up though. Melbourne to Snowy :-)

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    But a noble expedition, Nyg.....

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    I was looking at the Faema Due, but the price really blew out by the end of the auction.

    I was closer to getting a Bezzera Ellise 2 group. The price went just over $900, which is a shade more than I paid for my BZ35e, and for one of Bezzeras top machines as well, and only 5 years old....

    I also missed a 3gr La Pavoni that went for $450. Curses. That machine was to be used for parts though. When you rack it up, the price of a rotary pump is more than the entire machine sold for.

    Nevertheless, my needs are for single use only, so a large machine is totally overkill.

    My ultimate machine probably doesnt exist yet, but it would be a dual boiler machine with.... well lots of
    design ideas, but really a temp and pressure stable/settable machine that makes sense for home use.

    Im still scouring ebay for a better grinder as well. Alas, Cimbali Junior grinders dont come up much.

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    Too right stratford, the great Australian Coffee Snob road trip.

    Just as well I have a company car to fuel is covered or I think the cost of petrol would be more than I paid for the machine.

    I was very supprised at the price jump too. In the last 10 seconds it jumped from $495 to $827.10 which was my max bid.

    I might need to sell some machines thou, my wife is getting annoyed with me...

    My current list is:

    Sunbeam (I dont know the model)
    Nespresso (Magimix)
    Gaggia Carezza
    Gaggia Classic
    Sunbeam EM6900
    Nuova Simonelli MAC 2000
    And now the Duo...

    Mmmm is seven too many?

    What happens we you add in the three grinders and commerical roaster?

    Is it too much?




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    Sounds like someone was using a sniper program for the Due. The curse of ebay.
    I havent seen that too often, but I tend to get lulled into a false sense of expectation when the price doesnt move for 7 days, only to see it spiral out of control in the last few minutes of the auction.

    My wife is probably not as understanding as yours Nyg, so I probably would have been searching for a new place to live if Id have won any of the big machines.

    Enjoy the drive. That Faema looks like a nice machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1130071451/0#7 date=1130127846
    My ultimate machine probably doesnt exist yet, but it would be a dual boiler machine with.... well lots of
    design ideas, but really a temp and pressure stable/settable machine that makes sense for home use.
    Hey Sparky, congrats on the new machine - lets see some shots once shes installed....

    I think the machine youre talking about is the Brewtus.. double boiler, temp stability... "makes sence for home use"... well, the price tag rules that last bit out - so perhaps only 2 out of 3!!!

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    NYG, judging by your collection, perhaps you should be using *bay to SELL rather than acquire more! ;D At least youll really know your stuff when it comes to machine comparison.
    -Robusto

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyCJ link=1130071451/0#10 date=1130191213
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1130071451/0#7 date=1130127846
    My ultimate machine probably doesnt exist yet, but it would be a dual boiler machine with.... well lots of
    design ideas, but really a temp and pressure stable/settable machine that makes sense for home use.
    Hey Sparky, congrats on the new machine - lets see some shots once shes installed....

    I think the machine youre talking about is the Brewtus.. double boiler, temp stability... "makes sence for home use"... well, the price tag rules that last bit out - so perhaps only 2 out of 3!!!

    Well its actually an old machine... Still havent taken delivery of it yet, but Ill post a photo survey of it when it arrives and before I start doing anything to it.

    I think a combination of the Barista Minore (aka Brewtus) and the La Spaziele Vivaldi S1 would come close, with fine temperature control (like 0.5 deg C).

    Its fun to have a decent project though, just as long as I get to drink decent coffee in the interim.

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    What ya gonna do with the Pidded Classic then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyCJ link=1130071451/0#13 date=1130206546
    What ya gonna do with the Pidded Classic then?
    The Classic is back to its non-PID form, with the only addition being a Silvia steam arm. Im going to sell it just as soon as I can upload some pictures from my camera.

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    The new machine is here. Wow. Talk about value for money. 58 mm commercial PF, 3-way valve, large-ish brass boiler (supposedly 500 ml, but well see), all copper pipes and braided steel feed line. Easily settable OPV. Replaceable boiler element. Amasing quality of construction throughout. Now to clean the group area up a bit and see if it makes real coffee. After which..... the mind boggles. This looks to be a very high quality single boiler machine similar to the ECM Botticelli II, which retails in the $1000 price range.

    The vendor also through in a kilo of freshly roasted beans with the machine!

    Then I went to the coffee roasterie next door and was given a brand new portafilter, which means I now have enough portafilters to drill one out....

    Talk about the gods smiling.

    Pics coming soon.

    And the machine.... a Faema Family. Probably over 10 years old but with an amasing build quality and looking very new inside.

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    short of carbon dating the steel this may help with its age, from alt.coffee archives google on faema family (yes it is a slow day at work and yes there are many more productive things I should be doing ::))

    "Machines from 1991 and up have aluminum boiler, slide control for steam and a side mounted
    reservoir. Machines from 1983-1989 have brass boiler, threaded steam
    valve and reservoir at the rear."

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    Hi Sparky,

    I had a Faema Family a few years back...grey cast iron and round red illuminated buttons? Top quality machine as I recall. I had to get some bits for it, and at the time, Lygon Imports in Melbourne were the guys who stocked parts and serviced these machines...

    It is still in the family, making great coffee...

    Cheers.....

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    Yeah Maurice, I had mined a.c and CG well before bidding. Still, there was a lot of hearsay and it wasnt easy to base a purchace on one or two posts at most. Still, it has the rotating steam knob, not the slider, so I thought Id be in with a good chance.

    It would be a bad day to buy a machine to replace a machine with an Al boiler to get lumped with a machine that also has an Al boiler.

    My machine is a black stealth model, with four red buttons. The body is actually cast Al, but the boiler and group are brass. So its a pretty tough beast, but still lighter than a Silvia, with lots of clearance under the PF for really big cups as well.

    Ill bring the PIDed, preheated version to the next Yandina meeting.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    First operational check. All working on the brewing side. (I didnt check steam, but the steam valve is good).

    SHe was up to temperature in 10 min with just a couple of flushes.
    First shot... ristretto.... 25 sec shot using the same grind setting as for the Bezzera. 2/3 crema. No noticeable blonding during extraction... taste... Good! Not great, but no sour notes, but a bit bitter/burnt with some chocolate. Very drinkable. It tasted like it was a few degree too high, but not so much that it was bitter and undrinkable.

    Next to thermolog the brew temp, set the brew pressure and then fit the PID controller for better control.

    Its not all wine and roses though. The drip tray is pretty shallow, hard to remove and well...crap.



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