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    Hi folks,

    While Ive been away from the Silvia for a few days Ive been brewing my Peru Kontiki + Yemen Ismaili blend in a good stainless steel mocha pot (one with a nice large basket). What a revelation! The aroma and body was even fuller than with Silvia; there was still crema on the 3rd day after grinding (Yes, unfortunately had to pre-grind the beans before going away). Im convinced a good mocha pot gets even more from this blend than an espresso machine. Is this a big call? I used virtually the same grind as for Silvia (perhaps one notch coarser). I really wasnt expecting to have my socks blown off. I tried the same batch in a lesser aluminium mocha pot (with a smaller basket) and all it gave me was thin, burnt coffee. Such a difference.

    Filling the mocha pot with just boiled water also makes a huge difference - it keeps the brewing time to about 1-2 minutes so the coffee grounds dont get a chance to burn.

    Its great. For the first time being away from the espresso machine didnt feel (or taste) like a compromise.

    Cheers folks,

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    My view is: moka pot is a different kettle, not quite comparable, it sort of sits between short black and long black.

    I am curious with your results from stainless steel vs aluminium pots, as I get exactly the opposite. My aluminium pot gives better tasting, smoother brew, whereas my ss pot gives a sharper brew that tends to accentuates the bitterness. My guess is that aluminium retains and diffuse heat better than ss, and ss is notorious for having hot spots, maybe thats why it overheats. But now you have me confused...

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    Hi Guys,

    Im really surprised that you believe that your MPs are comparable to a properly brewed espresso :o. Over the years Ive used so many MPs trying to find one that provided a brew even partly resembling an espresso, that I could build a small replica of the Eiffel Tower with them.

    Something tells me that you are not getting the best out of your Espresso Machines.... just a thought,

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    I probably wont feel the same about any and all beans, but the Peru/Yemen blend from my last roasting batch (roughly 30 seconds into 2nd crack) did fantastically in the moka pot. Of course, its a six cup pot and I use it to make 60-70 mls with its 35-38 gram basket, so that helps.

    And its true Im not getting the most out of the Silvia - its pressure is way too high and Im not very confident about my ability to do the pressure mod well. Im hoping one of Greg Pullmans tampers will help prevent the chanelling I often get under the extreme pressure.

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    Hi Robster,

    Hmmm, the pressure mod is really only necessary if youre pulling shots with the grind set too fine (with the tamping force that youre using), as the resistance from the coffee puck should be such that your pressure wont build up beyond 8-10 Bar. The Over Pressure Valves main job is to protect the pump and high pressure water circuit from over pressure related damage.

    Setting this lower via the Pressure Mod does no harm to the machine but its main purpose is to force you into adopting the right grind/tamping force settings, as the machine will effectively choke once the OPV starts relieving pressure, forcing you to amend your grind setting, etc to prevent the choking.

    While it is possible to arrive at the correct grind settings, etc without the Pressure Mod, it would definitely make things a lot easier for when youre starting out. I know you said that youre not comfortable doing the Mod yourself, but there is a very good "How to" step by step guide to be found here... http://tinyurl.com/c8fcs. Have a look at it and if youre still not happy about doing it yourself, then you might be able to find someone you trust who could do it for you, using the guide.

    Regarding Moka Pots..... To my taste, they always seem to "burn" the coffee and this burnt taste then seems to linger on for quite some time. I imagine its got a lot to do with the fact that MPs shoot boiling water up a tube straight on to the coffee, and coffee is best brewed at temperatures closer to 93deg C to avoid burning it. Actually, a really good alternative to espresso when the machines not handy or you feel like a change, is to use the ever faithful Plunger/French Press, since youve got complete control over the temperature of the water.

    Anyway, I hope some of this has been helpful to you Robster..... all the best,

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    I used to find the same burnt-taste phenomenon with my moka pot use in the past, but now I fill the pot with just-boiled water and I no longer have that problem. It keeps the extraction time short and prevents the coffee grinds from being dry-burned while waiting for otherwise cold water to get up to temp. While I was away I managed to get it so that the whole process from flame on to flame off was about 1 minute 45 seconds. Mmmm. A lovely substitute when away from Silvia.

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    Yep,

    Ive tried all that and lots of other things too but it never produced what I would call a good coffee.... still much prefer a plunger as an alternative to espresso. If I had Syphon Brewer then I would certainly use that in preference to all after espresso but then, I dont have one :(.

    All the best Robster,
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    Mal,

    My brother-in-law has one of the Bodum syphons. They are indeed beautiful things. Unfortunately the one time he made me coffee out of it, I think the coffee was a bit stale. Do you know if that Aerobie thing theyve mentioned on CoffeeGeek works like a syphon? Or is it just another version of a plunger?

    Cheers,

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    Agreed Moka pot is not really comparable to espresso, but I wont call the brew inferior, just different. It is more diluted when compared to an espresso, but it is more concentrated than a plunger brew. Whether you get a burnt taste from the Moka pot or not is, in my view, highly dependent on your pot.

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    Having a look at the Aerobie site the system is very simple and pushes a coffee/water mix through a filter. You put some ground coffee in ( similar in size to an espresso grind), place in the hot water, mix it around and push down on the plunger after a short wait. Aparently it produces a result similar to espresso and a relatively dry puck. So its more french press then plunger or cold process using hot water and pressure. :-/

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    Robster...
    i notice you own an atomic ... as i do. (and silvia for that matter)
    i find a brew produced from the Atomic better than a MP, i take it you prefer the MP...?

    That said i am a milk based coffee drinker.. so that could explain the difference.

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    Hiya Kong,

    Actually havent used the Atomic for a while, but really enjoyed its coffee when we used to use it daily. Im a (mostly) milk-based coffee drinker too, and I reckon you cant go past the Atomic for stovetop steaming ability. I used to start with cold water in the Atomic and by the time the coffee came through, the collection mug was too hot really and I think this gave the coffee a bit of a burnt flavour. I definitely preferred the Atomics coffee to my old moka pots, but the moka pot Ive been using recently I think outdoes the atomic; it just has such a good basket-size relative to the water volume. Only problem now is needing a separate milk steaming device in addition to the moka pot when Im away from home.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robster link=1137415768/0#11 date=1137567776
    I used to start with cold water in the Atomic and by the time the coffee came through, the collection mug was too hot really and I think this gave the coffee a bit of a burnt flavour.
    agreed.. i had that problem when first using the Atomic, but in the end got around it by having a seperate (second) vessel to catch the final runnings when the coffee started to pour bitter and frothy (or as soon as i had enough coffee for the drink i was making) this meant i only got the good stuff 8-) (and didnt keep burning it), and the steam pressure keeps building while you get the milk ready etc.

    all a bit OT (sorry) but i still cant go past the atomic for ease of use when travelling especially if you use/like milk.! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G link=1137415768/0#9 date=1137562719
    . . . So its more french press then plunger or cold process using hot water and pressure. :-/
    I thought french press and plunger were just two names for the same thing. Is there a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1137415768/0#12 date=1137626447
    all a bit OT (sorry) but i still cant go past the atomic for ease of use when travelling especially if you use/like milk.! :)
    Yeah, the Atomic is definitely the way to go for travelling. Youve inspired me to pull it out and start experimenting with it. When I last used it I didnt yet have a grinder, plus I need to try the hot water thing and your suggestion about the collection receptacle . . .

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    Grinder definately makes a difference.... but ive never used hot water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
    i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1137415768/15#15 date=1137636146
    Grinder definately makes a difference.... but ive never used hot water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
    i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

    KoNG
    Starting with hot water reduces the time it takes to brew the coffee, so the beans dont get too heated up and contact-burnt from the machine sitting on the stove for 5 minutes. I pulled mine out and had a play this morning (Dont quote THAT out of context!). The coffee wasnt as good as the moka pot but it was better than when I was using pre-ground beans of course. The microfoam was as good as Silvias (even better for small amounts of milk).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robster link=1137415768/0#11 date=1137567776

    the moka pot Ive been using recently I think outdoes the atomic; it just has such a good basket-size relative to the water volume. Only problem now is needing a separate milk steaming device in addition to the moka pot when Im away from home.
    Im interested in this comment. *I was under the impression that all MPs have the same size basket, relative to the water volume of the MP. *Never thought to look at that! *Can you tell us what brand you have, or send a picture? *Im in the market for a new one, hate the one I have - impossible to pour without half going down the sink. *I dont use it much, only when desparate, but would be good to have a better one.

    Also like your hint about boiling the water first. *Must tell my son!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1137415768/15#15 date=1137636146
    Grinder definately makes a difference.... *but *ive *never used hot *water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
    i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

    KoNG
    This reminded me to ask something (although too late) *I used to own an Atomic, which my ex took (left me with the Pavoni *;D) *Then, last year my stepmother gave me my fathers Atomic (he died in 76) *that she has never used. *The insides had a huge amount of calcification and it smelled terrible. *The bakelite knob, where you put the water in was also broken. I tried everything I could think of to clean it, nothing worked - so I sold it.) It was bought as an antiquie for show - not for use *:D)

    Im still sorry I sold it and keep wondering if there is anything else I could have done to clean it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#18 date=1137655295
    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1137415768/15#15 date=1137636146
    Grinder definately makes a difference.... but ive never used hot water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
    i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

    KoNG
    This reminded me to ask something (although too late) I used to own an Atomic, which my ex took (left me with the Pavoni ;D) Then, last year my stepmother gave me my fathers Atomic (he died in 76) that she has never used. The insides had a huge amount of calcification and it smelled terrible. The bakelite knob, where you put the water in was also broken. I tried everything I could think of to clean it, nothing worked - so I sold it.) It was bought as an antiquie for show - not for use :D)

    Im still sorry I sold it and keep wondering if there is anything else I could have done to clean it?
    I have seen a Place in Sydney that sell Atomics, Coffeecrew has a article on them
    http://www.coffeecrew.com/content/view/254/99/
    , so handles are not that hard to get..
    As for the Calcification ?
    Probably able to get rid via Phosphoric acid/Coke/ or the old CLR. and many washes with water..
    Many years ago I went to the Channon Markets near Lismore(Hippie type) there was a Atomic Cafe Stall and the guy had about 6 Atomics running on a series of Gas Burners.. Wish i had got a Photo..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEPIN link=1137415768/15#19 date=1137659950
    Many years ago I went to the Channon Markets near Lismore(Hippie type) there was a Atomic Cafe Stall and the guy had about 6 Atomics running on a series of Gas Burners.. Wish i had got a Photo..
    Tepin
    Sounds similar to this place: http://www.spraci.net/user2/intertribal.html

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    Judy,

    The moka pot I now have is a GAT brand. Mines a 6-cup and was bought from Harris Scarf - theyre 1/2 price at $30 in their current sale (but not listed in their online sale catalogue). At least it was in Hobart. I think its the model shown here:

    www.gatspa.it/english/pratika.html

    Using the same grind as for Silvia the coffee comes out thick and velvety.

    As for the Atomic, I find much of the calcification pours out after a good shake with water in the machine. Citric acid would probably work well as a de-scaler too. The calcification in the top is trickier: it requires removing the shower screen, but the two screws holding it in place are notorious for rusting and breaking off when people try this. Gently but solidly tapping the side of the head with an open palm will knock some of the calcium out through the shower screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#20 date=1137662914
    Sounds similar to this place: http://www.spraci.net/user2/intertribal.html
    Holy Timothy Leary Batman! Ive been transported back to my youth! ;D :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEPIN link=1137415768/15#19 date=1137659950
    I have seen a Place in Sydney that sell Atomics, Coffeecrew *has a article on them
    http://www.coffeecrew.com/content/view/254/99/
    Grrrrr. *My Googling abilities arent very good! * :( *I spent ages at the time Googling for a cure, found nothing. Now, here it is:

    If you have a Bon labeled Atomic, its not that old. To clean out your ATOMIC, get some citric acid at a health food store.

    Put 1 tablespoonful in the machine and top it off with cold water. Install the empty coffee holder with the jug underneath and put on medium low heat.

    Wait till all the water exhausts in the jug. Simple. Let your beloved Atomic cool off,unscrew filler knob , half fill with clean water and shake it up like if you were really mad, in other words shake the living hell out of it. Calmly, unscrew knob and empty....surprised?
    It does work.

    Repeat until tired.

    I tried *EVERYTHING, including CLR (and the very expensive "proper" Espresso descaler) and shook it until my arms fell off, for weeks on end, nothing worked. *In the end, if anything it got worse, you could smell all the chemicals I used, regardless of how many times I put water through it. *About the only thing I didnt try was citric acid. *I then spent equally as long trying to make the outside shiny, once I decided to sell it *:D

    However all this discussion about Atomics made me decide to look into the new version. *That would be a good present for my son!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#20 date=1137662914
    Quote Originally Posted by TEPIN link=1137415768/15#19 date=1137659950
    Many years ago I went to the Channon Markets near Lismore(Hippie type) there was a Atomic Cafe Stall and the guy had about 6 Atomics running on a series of Gas Burners.. Wish i had got a Photo..
    Tepin
    Sounds similar to this place: http://www.spraci.net/user2/intertribal.html
    Hell that takes me back to the old Acid Days/ a Terribly Psycadelic site..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#23 date=1137673271
    However all this discussion about Atomics made me decide to look into the new version. That would be a good present for my son!
    Ah yes, but an expensive one! I paid less for my Silvia brand new than the price Ive seen one or two Atomics sell for on Ebay. Bon Trading in Sydney has been the official Australian distributer for many years - I visited there once for spare parts - but I get the impression their waiting list is very long (I put my name down in 2003 and Im still waiting . . . )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#25 date=1137674136
    Ah yes, but an expensive one! I paid less for my Silvia brand new than the price Ive seen one or two Atomics sell for on Ebay. Bon Trading in Sydney has been the official Australian distributer for many years - I visited there once for spare parts - but I get the impression their waiting list is very long (I put my name down in 2003 and Im still waiting . . . )
    I wasnt thinking of getting him an "original" one, I know that those are worth a fortune - I got quite a bit for mine as well, I was thinking of buying a new one. I heard they were cheaper (and not as good) Didnt realise there was a waiting list. Just looked, they dont have a website nor an email address. I will have to phone them. Maybe time to visit some friends in Sydney? ;D Mind you, Id only want to wait 2 months, not years :) Anyway, be interesting to find out how much a new one is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#21 date=1137665155
    Judy,

    The moka pot I now have is a GAT brand. Mines a 6-cup and was bought from Harris Scarf - theyre 1/2 price at $30 in their current sale (but not listed in their online sale catalogue). At least it was in Hobart. I think its the model shown here:

    www.gatspa.it/english/pratika.html

    Using the same grind as for Silvia the coffee comes out thick and velvety.

    As for the Atomic, I find much of the calcification pours out after a good shake with water in the machine. Citric acid would probably work well as a de-scaler too. The calcification in the top is trickier: it requires removing the shower screen, but the two screws holding it in place are notorious for rusting and breaking off when people try this. Gently but solidly tapping the side of the head with an open palm will knock some of the calcium out through the shower screen.

    Rob
    Thanks for that - wish I had known last week - been to Harris Scarf, thats where I bought the glass frother! *Anyway, will have a look.

    I think my fathers Atomic was beyond help. *I doubt that sitting in a cupboard for 25 years helped it. *That site also said that one should never leave the black knob on, this was on for 25 years! *:( *I think I also had the shower screen off. *I do remember that I had to scrape the rubber seal off. *I do know that I shook and shook, and even though I have put water through it dozens of times (even tried with coffee a few times, to slow down the process, I never got a clear liquid coming out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#27 date=1137677644
    I do remember that I had to scrape the rubber seal off. I do know that I shook and shook, and even though I have put water through it dozens of times (even tried with coffee a few times, to slow down the process, I never got a clear liquid coming out of it.
    I guess some Atomics may be beyond redemption. The last time I asked Bon Trading about their new machines they said the price would be around $375 - $400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#26 date=1137676747

    I heard they were cheaper (and not as good) *Didnt realise there was a waiting list. *Just looked, they dont have a website nor an email address. *I will have to phone them. *Maybe time to visit some friends in Sydney? *
    Not surprised they dont have websites and the like... the shop is straight from the 50s and hasnt been touched since ;D
    an old couple own it and from memory.. they bought the rights for the atomic from brevatti" or whoever it was... i believe they use the same mould and press as the original, but material quality may have changed.
    My outlaws went on the search for one after tasting the coffees i was making from the atomic... they picked one up at a garage sale for................ get this $5
    so there is definately still some out there, you just need to find someone who doesnt know what it is.... ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1137415768/15#29 date=1137718439

    My outlaws went on the search for one after tasting the coffees i was making from the atomic... they picked one up at a garage sale for................ get this $5
    so there is definately still some out there, you just need to find someone who doesnt know what it is.... ;)
    That would be my ex ;D

    I wouldnt be the least surprised if hed thrown it into the bin once he was finished with it

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    That would be my ex ;D

    I wouldnt be the least surprised if hed thrown it into the bin once he was finished with it
    I dont know where to go with this now.....
    how did you let him leave with the Atomic..!?!!?!????
    shame :P ;)

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    Ok. Back to the original topic. The Moka pot ecstasy I experienced last week was almost definitely due to the variety of beans, I reckon (50% Yemen Mocha Ismaili, 50% Peru Kontiki). Ive just put sanother blend through it (no hint of Yemen) and it was typical moka pot. I guess those yemen mocha beans have been cultivated for centuries for simple brewing on an open fire, so I shouldnt be that surprised.

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    [QUOTE=KoNG link=1137415768/30#31 date=1137734249]
    I dont know where to go with this now.....
    how did you let him leave with the Atomic..!?!!?!????
    shame * :P * ;)
    Well, I was using the La Pavoni then, and he said he needed something to make coffee with. *Back then, (74) I dont think anyone thought all that much about the Atomics, except that they made good coffee, so I thought, fair enough.

    My son tells me that later on he had a plumbed in machine, in fact, he had a bar with the coffee machine as part of it. *(he could afford it, having saved all that money not paying me a cent child support * :( >:( [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=grin.gif])

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    Im very surprised you get crema from a mocha pot. Theyve been in use in my family for generations and NEVER ---never---has any espresso been produced with crema.

    Weve used everything from a one-cupper to an 8-cup, both in stainless steel and aluminium.

    The reason being, is that coffee ideally should be brewed with water around 95 degrees.

    For the water to rise from the bottom of the pot, through the grounds, and into the top, it will first have to boil. Already, were talking 100 degrees.

    Being under pressure from the grounds, that temperature goes up even further. (The pressure can be so great that on occasions the steam valve opens to release the excess)

    Result: a pitch-black brew, with no sigh of crema. A burned taste, which, while acceptable, does not compare with the subtelty of machine espresso.

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    My thoughts exactly Robusto :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto link=1137415768/30#34 date=1138660493
    Im very surprised you get crema from a mocha pot. Theyve been in use in my family for generations and NEVER ---never---has any espresso been produced with crema.
    Yeah, it knocked my socks off with surprise, too. Of course theres not as much - nor is it as thick - as with a machine but it was enough for decent latte art. The rich crema only seemed to come from freshly roasted Ethiopian or Yemen mocha. The other varieties Ive tried have given the usual unspectacular mocha-pot result. I know which beans Ill be packing for the mocha pot next time I go on holiday!

    Cheers,

    Rob



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