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Thread: 2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

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    2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

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    I have decided to give my La Pavoni e.pic a break after 25 service and break my bank for caffenavana.

    But have hit a research/decision deadend. How do I decide between the ecm giotto, the isomac tea or the la scala butt...

    They all seem to have same features, looks and reviews or am I missing a trick???

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    Re: 2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

    You may need to spend a touch more than 2k to enter this market...Theyre all great machines operating on similar principles. I can assist with Diadema, Unico Splendor and ECM if you would like to look a little closer. Have you budgeted for a good grinder?

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    Re: 2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

    Youre right. Their technical specifications are pretty similar. If youre looking at a heat-exchanger machine, I would argue that the most important differentiators are really the level of service and expertise backing them up. From what I know, the Isomacs have a spotty market presence and importer relationship, at best. The sponsors of this site are probably a good bet. If you look around these forums, youll see nothing but praise for them and youre guaranteed that if something goes wrong, a real live person will be there to talk you through it or service your machine. Other than that, some differences are that:

    *If looks are important to you, then the Unico Splendor and the ECM Giotto are probably the only ones that stand out.

    *The Giotto has a marginally more convenient steam wand - it has a dual wall so that milk doesnt burn on as fast and you can touch it easily after steaming. At first, I thought that this was a huge advantage, but over the past week, Ive been keeping a bunch of chux wipes next to my machine, just like I would in a cafe. If you wipe the steam wand down with a wet chux immediately after steaming, nothing sticks.

    *Some machines have steam wands that have a limited range of movement.

    *The Isomac Tea has a brew pressure gauge; the others dont

    *Different quality internal components and layout

    Do you have a good enough grinder to match such a machine? If not, you need to budget for one.

    If $2k is the top of your budget, you might want to look into the expobar machines.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: 2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

    I have a Bezzera 40P which is an excellent machine and not prone to getting hot and burning coffee. I am very pleased with it but mine is a now ten year old machine.

    My problem with most hx machines is that they are made for maximum throughput in a commercial setting, which means that you have to be careful to purge them. The problem with this is that you cant take any shortcuts and if you purge it then forget something and wait too long, it will burn your coffee.

    My vote is for one of the Expobar Minore dual boiler machines or possibly the Reneka Techno (but much more money).

    The Bezzera machines are one of the few hx machines that I would be happy recommending. As a bonus they happily produce all the mechanical and electrical diagrams for you, something which virtually no other companies do.

    Grant

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    Re: 2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

    Hi,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs by the way [smiley=thumbsup.gif].

    The choices available in this market niche are extremely wide and varied, given that most of the better known machines are very similar with respect to specs. As the others above have advised, you would be well advised to talk to one of our site sponsors, all industry professionals with highly regarded credentials. You could do a lot worse than taking up this opportunity :),

    Cheers,
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    Re: 2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn link=1139021514/0#3 date=1139063212
    Imy problem with most hx machines is that they are made for maximum throughput in a commercial setting, which means that you have to be careful to purge them. *The problem with this is that you cant take any shortcuts and if you purge it then forget something and wait too long, it will burn your coffee.Grant
    Thanks all I will be looking for service elements. I have an ancient Harris commercial grinder, found in a scrap dealer yard.

    Grant does purge refer to running water through head to retail ideal temp for cofee.
    If so I see this as a manual-ness element I like the sound of. Being a pathalogical fiddler (i fire wood kilns and drive only very old cars, push cofee through a bloody minded pavoni) I seek machines that need fussing over to get perfection. Its the fussing that offers room for craft. That is if I understand you right? Cheers

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    Re: 2000 budget, isomar, ecm, la scala ????????

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    Ill second Lucas recommendation on Expobar. They have options below your budget (office pulser is one off the top of my head). I think you could probably also get away with a Diadema for a decent price as well. Have a chat with the site sponsors by all means, because they will give you the after purchase service youre looking for, not just leave you out in the cold and thank you for your money.



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