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    definitive answer

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    ok, i know this is never going to happen..... but i cant decide...
    expobar brewtus vs giotto premium
    every day i change my mind.... brewtus better control of temp. needs a heating flush, but the length of the flush doesnt matter.
    giotto, is the bees knees, has better steaming, needs a cooling flush which is the main downside....
    now, i know that people say look for the best service, after sales help etc, so lets just assume that it will be purchased from a reputable dealer, whichever one i choose.
    and the grinder will either be a lux (deal with the machine) or the new sunbeam (have vouchers) so that is also catered for.

    so, being that my drink is either a long macc, or a strong latte/flat white, and my wife, not being a coffee snob will also want to be able to use it, and drinks latte/fw (decaf, swiss water, shes expecting) , and we will be doing 4-6 a day on a normal day, but when people come visit, i want to be able to bang out the shots and froth enough milk for people.


    so, which one???? or is it a case of flip a coin, and just order the damn thing!!! have moved into our new house this week, and want to get it up and running!!!

    so, this is the dilema... not a bad one, but still confusing!!
    i know, this is the last time i ask this question!

    thanks,
    dan.

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    Re: definitive answer

    The brewtus has dual boilers, pressure and temp controls doesnt it? Unless you like the extra bling factor of the giotto the brewtus would be the no brainer choice for me. I dont know that the brewtus would make a better brew, but its "tweakability" definitely appeals to my tech/geek side.

    Is it possible to test the steaming ability of the brewtus from your retailer? That way you can determine if it can keep up with a small production line. Sounds like the only potential deal breaker to me.


    Coming from a guy with 2 HX machines both of which Im very happy with.

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    Re: definitive answer

    I have the Giotto and am immensely happy with it. I dont see the temperature control of the Brewtus as a huge factor; the dual boilers perhaps. Maybe at the start, temperature stability may be an issue with the Giotto however once you get used to the machine, you hone in on a flushing procedure and eventually, you dont even think about it.

    The fact is, you cannot get a definitive answer to this question, both machines will more than fulfill your requirements.
    Dont discount aesthetics as such a large item is sure to become a rather prominent piece in your kitchen. Personally, I believe the Giotto is way in front in that department however thats a personal thing for you to decide.

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    Gday Dan,
    Ive come up with the perfect solution to your dilema. Buy both machines and evaluate them, and the one that doesnt make the grade, give it to me ;D.
    I think that you answered your own question in that you wont get an definitive answer on this.
    People that own a Giotto will say their machine is the best because of X,Y & Z and the ones that own a Minore (Brewtus) will say their machine is the best beause of A,B & C. Im not criticising these reasons by any means of course.
    Where do you live? Is it possible to have a play with each machine before you make the big purchase? It might come down to ease of use for you and your SO, or some feature that you werent aware existed until you actually use it. It may even come down to the looks of the machine that sway you. Some people are put off by the digital display of the Minore, some like it. Personally I woudnt say no to either of these.
    Try and get the best deal you can (this isnt restricted to the amount you pay) pre and after sales service will play a big part. The site sponsors have a fantastic track record and would be able to offer you honest, no BS advice, and excellent service.
    Good luck with you decision, I probably havent helped you, but remember by original offer still stands ;).
    Steve.

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    Re: definitive answer

    If you havent already done so, you should go and read the Brewtus buyers guide on home-barista.com. The reviewer, Abe Carmeli, owns both and does a head-to-head comparison.

    Note that the Brewtus II will be available in Australia at some stage. Maybe in as little as two months.

    I agree with whats already been said. If you want looks, go for the Giotto. If you want function, go for the Brewtus. At first, your technique will probably not be up to discerning differences between temperatures, but that doesnt mean that the feature is a waste; just that it is something that you would grow into.

    Re: steaming, Im sure that you can tweak any machine. Just a matter of dialing the pressurestat up and/or buying an aftermarket steam tip.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: definitive answer

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1139872078/0#4 date=1140003053
    If you havent already done so, you should go and read the Brewtus buyers guide on home-barista.com. *The reviewer, Abe Carmeli, owns both and does a head-to-head comparison.

    Note that the Brewtus II will be available in Australia at some stage. *Maybe in as little as two months.

    I agree with whats already been said. *If you want looks, go for the Giotto. *If you want function, go for the Brewtus. *At first, your technique will probably not be up to discerning differences between temperatures, but that doesnt mean that the feature is a waste; just that it is something that you would grow into.

    Re: steaming, Im sure that you can tweak any machine. *Just a matter of dialing the pressurestat up and/or buying an aftermarket steam tip.

    Cheers,

    Luca
    I still dont think the differences are that significant for most of us- except perhaps (an not disrespectfully) for the 0.01% geek factor. They both make great coffee- one is simpler and there is a whole lot less to go wrong. One is full of electronics...Soon well want then to interface with a notebook computer so we can monitor it microsecond by microsecond ;). Im very curious to see what the longevity of the minore will be like...

    We will have both- as well as some diademas at the academy very soon to play with....I see a shootout coming! 8-). Could be good fun ;)

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    ... agreed, Chris. A shootout is definitely in order. One day when weve both got some time - if there ever is such a day - we should meet up at St A and hijack one of the groups on their Synesso to do a head-to-head comparison.

    Re: longevity ... Havent really had a look around inside any giottos, but I have seen Venezianos with heaps of the chrome flaking off the brass group and, of course, the lettering comes off almost immediately. At least the Expobars are too cheap to have any sort of coating on their body ;P That said, I find it difficult to see longevity with either being an issue. Whats going to wear on them? P-stats and gauges, for sure.

    The thing to remember is that most coffee companies outsource heaps and heaps of their parts ... trying to untangle what is made by which company and which company is a division of which is ridiculous. These guys would give Skase a rune for his money! I *think* that Expobar is a division of quality espresso, which also makes gaggias and *might* be a division of Ascaso, which makes Iberital, amongst others, and provides components to lots and lots of other manufacturers. Seeming to be a relatively small company, Im sure that ECM outsource a lot of components. They might even go through Ascaso for all that I know! ... give me another decade and I might come half way to sorting out these companies ...

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Krusty,
    What an awful position to be in. I truely empathise with you. Fancy not being able to decide between a Rolls and a Bently. :( On the bright side, if you get your purchase home , use it a few times, and find its not everthing you had hoped for, I can help you out. Just send me a PM saying you would like to get rid of said machine and I will take it off your hands. No no, I insist. I really dont mind at all, Im that kind of bloke, always willing to help some one who needs it. ;)

    Go for the ducks guts, youll kick your self later.

    Boris

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    Ahh Boris.....where would we be without your input and selfless consideration for the welfare of others???.... ;) ;D

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    Re: definitive answer

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    having been through this exact same exercise, I think I ended up agreeing with Luca - if you see the beauty in technology and flashing lights, then its the Minore, if you see beauty in big sleek hunks of shiny chrome, its the Giotto

    Steaming is no issue with either unless you ar ehaving thirty people over



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