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    Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin back!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I have long been sceptical about the benefit of crotchless PFs and wondered what all the hoohar was about so I thought Id better find out first-hand.
    Received my crotchless PF from Pedro of Coffeeparts today (great service and really nice people). It is essentially a drilled/milled out version of my existing LaCimbali filter handle.
    Ordered it with an LM-style 18G basket but found my own LaCim double baskets were a better fit (LM basket sprayed coffee out the side).
    All I can say is: how wrong I was! Shots have a richness and complexity of flavour that I havent experienced before.

    Hmmm, Im off to make another :)

    Tim

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    noice.

    I recently went crotchless too ... Im not as amazed, yeah I can detect a mouthfeel difference, but overall ...

    What they are good for, is working on dose, distribution (im finding that this is so ultra important for getting good shots - look for areas that blonde early - signs of channelling and a lower density of coffee in the puck), tamping, and discovering exactly when to stop a shot.

    And they work great with blind baskets, no more trying to pop a basket out without burning your fingers!

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Mate, you dont need a naked pf to pop out the blind filter without burning your hands. Simply take a basket, turn it upside down, and gently lever the other basket out.

    I wouldnt mind a naked pf, but Im just afraid how shocking my dosing/distribution is. Also, theyre just a tiny bit messy.

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Mmmm. I think I had a naked, "crotchless" experience last night.



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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Im not going to ask for pictures. :-?

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Robusto,
    Did you "polish the puck"???

    ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nunu link=1140691603/0#2 date=1140698453
    Mate, you dont need a naked pf to pop out the blind filter without burning your hands. *Simply take a basket, turn it upside down, and gently lever the other basket out.
    yeah I used to do that ... now I dont even have to pop out baskets.

    and theyre only messy if your distribution and tamping sucks. otherwise, theyre actually a bit cleaner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim link=1140691603/0#5 date=1140736029
    Robusto,
    Did you "polish the puck"???

    ;)
    As long as he didnt pull 30 ml in 30 seconds :D

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Geeez, this is starting to sound like a bad Carry On movie.. :o

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt King link=1140691603/0#7 date=1140742999
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim link=1140691603/0#5 date=1140736029
    Robusto,
    Did you "polish the puck"???

    ;)
    As long as he didnt pull 30 ml in 30 seconds :D
    I wonder if he had to do a purging flush first? And I dont even want to hear about the Bang Box experience! :o

    Java "Covering his eyes" phile

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    I shouldnt really add anything -- but I cant resist saying a good tamper achieved the desired outcome.

    Robusto

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Its not the size of the tamper, its the weight pushing it.

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    Out of the closet you lot. Ive been naked since late last year. Only dig out the double spout when visitors come. Or when some wheeny wants a moccha. ;D

    The down side, makes cafe crap even crappier, if that was possible.

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Thats an interesting observation, Boris. Why do you put that down to?

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Well Robusto, I guess there are alot of uneducated bean mokeys out there. My prefered drink (espresso based) is a double ristretto latte. To me, that means a restricted double shot in a latte glass, filled as a latte. Superb drink for flavor, better than two single shot lattes cause its got taste. Ive had some amusing computations of this.

    Ive been served a macciato glass that had a double shot in it, flat black as road kill and a little jug of milk on the side.
    Ive had a full double shot, in a latte glass that had been stained with milk, still a third empty.
    Ive once watched in horror as a young lady used a single spot PF, and hit the shot button twice to get the double without refilling the PF then topped up with milk using the calibrated palm temperature reading method.
    I can tell straight away when they say "a what..". So I settle for a latte, and wadayano, its crap.

    I was on a road trip recently, desperate for decent coffee (it was an early start), so we stopped at a service center. The choice;
    a cafe or Maccas. I went to the cafe. The PFs are on the draining board, I asked if the machine was broken, no we do that so the seals dont wear. I decided to help and went to Maccas.

    Never been before, so I asked if I could get a double...looked at the massive super auto and changed my order to a latte. The lady there was a little warm, I watched her wipe her sweaty face with her hands, then wiped them on the apron. She took a clean small jug (I was impressed), poured in the milk, used the prerequisite roadhouse masterbatery method, but did use a thermometer, poured in most of the milk. Got a milk spatula out of a pot full of other instruments, flicked off the sterilising water (I hope thats what it was), wiped it on her apron to get the rest off, I left.

    I know singles cant stack up against doubles. My wife always asks when it arrives, how does it taste, I just shake my head. You have to get a business licence, you have to do this, you have to do that, but theyll let anyone make use an espresso machine... >:(

    Oh and if you meant are moccha drinkers weenies, yes they are. If you want moccha, have a hot chocolate and add a teaspoon of instant dirt. ;D

    Boris

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    I gotta say: Holy snappin ninja turtles, Batman... The Nakked PF thing really works. Got a spare PF and put it in a lathe, a few min later there be a big hole. Expecting the worst, I cafefully peered down under the PF and .... <sound of angels trumpets> amasing golden honey like crema pouring down into the cup.

    All weekend Ive been drinking the best cappas Ive ever had out of the machine. By adjusting the flush timing by about 1 sec I got it to the awesome regime, where the sweetness of the beans is beibg extracted. Now Im up to the level of the local cafe, but still shy of their best shots. Still, after 6 months of trying to sort this machine out, I think Im finally getting there, thanks to going naked.

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

    Anyone know what the best fitting PF for a Giotto is thats available at coffeeparts? http://www.coffeeparts.com/accessories/nakedpf.html

    I was only thinking last week that I really should have got this sorted out, but as yet I havent.....

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    Re: Gone Crotchless and I dont think Im goin bac

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    Quote Originally Posted by poundy link=1140691603/15#16 date=1141639528
    Anyone know what the best fitting PF for a Giotto is thats available at coffeeparts? http://www.coffeeparts.com/accessories/nakedpf.html
    I think that the part that you want is probably "#700721-Naked". This is the top one, which is listed as being suitable for Brasilias, which Im pretty sure have a grouphead of the same dimension. But call up Pedro and ask him.

    The photo seems to show the coffeeparts rubber handle, which is quite nice.

    Cheers,

    Luca



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