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    tamper choice

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    what about choosing a tamper as I wish I could see other than online but surely an eighty five dollar tamper of any kind should do the trick?
    as long as it is the correct size..
    one however has "a stepped groove to help determine the level to pack the ground coffee in your filter basket".....
    dunno? dont seem to be a serious decision.
    anything to know about choosing a tamper? :-?

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    Re: tamper choice

    Best if you can buy one you can try first.
    A tamper that fits your hand as well as the basket is what youre looking for.
    Plenty of site sponsors sell tampers.

    Where are you and well point you to the nearest store.

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    Re: tamper choice

    As the owner of three properly custom fitted Pullman and the former owner of another couple of cheaper well fitted others. All do the job including one I still have that is nearly 2mm undersized for the machine it came with (but it doesnt get used anymore). But the Pullmans do it easier for me at least and suit mine and my staffs hands.

    Like most tools it comes down to does it suit the job, does it suit the user and can that user make it do a good job time after time on a consistent basis. $$ cost should be a lower consideration than those other criteria I reckon at least.

    If you find a $30 one that suits then great but dont be afraid to spend $$ on a good tool :)

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    Re: tamper choice

    Ditto what Thundergod said... tampers are a fairly personal choice and while many (including ourselves) hope the qualities of their product appeal to many, ultimately everyones different so what may suit one may not suit another. Tell us where you are and we can tell you some sponsors in the area.

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    Re: tamper choice

    Feel & comfort is the key
    I found it hard to get one that fits my large hands

    Go and try some out

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    Re: tamper choice

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D5A5E515953465651583F0 link=1272620363/2#2 date=1272627114
    $$ cost should be a lower consideration than those other criteria I reckon at least.
    While I agree with everything said in terms of trying tampers, $$$ are always a consideration, otherwise we would all have synessos and roburs on our bench.

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    Re: tamper choice

    Yeah but we are talking about the difference between a $50 and $150 not $300 and $3000 ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 61464D7C70230 link=1272620363/5#5 date=1272679362
    $$$ are always a consideration
    Funny coming from a bloke with a very good collection of expensive shiny toys maybe you dont need the Mazzer, the Sunbeam might have done the job instead ::) Please dont misquote me either Price is a factor as I stated just dont consider that as the leading criteria.

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    Re: tamper choice

    True I actually read it the wrong way!! Damn scanning threads :-[

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    Re: tamper choice

    thanks all..
    Im in lidcombe greg.

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    Re: tamper choice

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A41404B4B2E0 link=1272620363/9#9 date=1272700198
    Im in lidcombe
    How about catching a train to Bondi junction and checking out some tampers at Di Bartoli?

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    Re: tamper choice

    How heavy should the Tamper be in grams?
    I need a 52mm tamper for my Sunbeam but there are different weights.
    The one Im considering is 220g stainless, my sisters 58mm is 350g
    I saw a 53mm at 450g.
    Any ideas on correct weight?

    Cheers ;)

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    Re: tamper choice

    I would imagine the correct weight to be what suits you the operator. Im not aware of one weight being better than another unless you were a pro using it hundreds of times a day.

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    Re: tamper choice

    Quote Originally Posted by 517372731C0 link=1272620363/12#12 date=1274853878
    I would imagine the correct weight to be what suits you the operator.
    There must be more to it than that, surely?
    Im expecting someone to say the light ones are just as effective if you press down a little harder
    Funny....it may be true?
    Why get a heavier 450g tamper when a 220g is just as effective?
    Are they to cater for coffee drinking weightlifters?

    Cheers *;D

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    Re: tamper choice

    I have 500+g tamper that almost tamps itself.
    I dont recall the weight of my Pullman tampers.

    Personally I wouldnt like the feel of a light tamper.
    The weight would not matter "technically" to me because Im quite capable of exerting as much force as required.

    It really does come down to how it feels to you.

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    Re: tamper choice

    I realize thats comforting advice which sometimes happens on the Audio forums when asking about what are good speakers to get.
    You would appreciate them saying B&W are the go but not cheap but you get its what sounds good to you I happen to have K-mart speakers and anything would sound good compared to what I currently have.

    My tamper is a plastic one that came with the machine.
    Any metal Tamper will feel better.

    What your saying is that you can pay $30 or $500
    They both do the job - as do all working audio speakers and $100 coffee machines.

    Why pay $3,000 for an Expobar. Its just a cup of coffee...right?


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    I think if you are putting 12-15kg of force on a tamper, 100-200g of tamper weight isnt going to make any difference. LIke TG says, get one you are comfortable with. Im in the process of making a Kustom tamper, and the weight isnt any issue, as I make 3-4 coffees a day. As long as the finished result fits both my hand and my basket, thats all that really matters. Go to a sponsor and try a few on. By the way, my B+Ws deliver great warmth and precision ;D This snobbery business is costing me a lot of money over a lot of areas.

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    Re: tamper choice

    Thanks for your reply.

    I guess Im a bit wary these days of clever marketing like Bose speakers and monster cable that sucks in so many people to pay lots of $ for not much.

    If a 220 gram tamper for $30 does a good job and a $600 gold plated one is slightly better, Id go for the $30 one.

    I dont have K-mart speakers by the way.
    Mine are a mixed bag but I do have a Denon 2105 receiver and a B&W CC-3 centre.

    I go for pretty good quality at a budget price and therefore go eBay.
    Admittedly, its risky and I have been caught out a bit on a few things including cheap 2nd hand coffee machines but nothing too bad/expensive.

    I will have to wait a while for the Rancilio Silvia and Rocky grinder unfortunately, but I still want a decent coffee while Im waiting. :D

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    Re: tamper choice

    Quote Originally Posted by 1C3E3E3F2239383F34510 link=1272620363/15#15 date=1274864118
    Why pay $3,000 for an Expobar. Its just a cup of coffee...right?
    No. My Expobar makes sublime coffee. ;)

    As for the tamper, you need a good fit in the basket and a comfortable fit in your hand.

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    Re: tamper choice

    Quote Originally Posted by 1A383839243F3E3932570 link=1272620363/15#15 date=1274864118
    Why pay $3,000 for an Expobar. Its just a cup of coffee...right?
    Wrong. :D

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    Must admit I was on eBay watching a 2nd hand Expobar going up for auction and was salivating at the thought of having one of those :(

    I think Ill pass on the invite to try an Expobar coffee thanks all the same.
    Id have to throw my $200 Sunbeam and $150 DeLonghi grinder out and give up coffee until I could afford one <shudder at the thought>

    My dream at this stage is one of those Rancilio Silvia machines with a Rocky grinder for $1,420. I was on Dibartolis website and they refer to this combo as entry level sheesh, compared to what I have atm Im sure Id feel like Im in Heaven.

    How good is this combo do you think? :P

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    Savings before spendings *;) I was just having that same discussion with a 14 year old in my big kids toy shop 15 minutes ago *:)

    Wrong place for a discussion on the Silvia/Rocky but it is a tough as nails combo that driven correctly will produce a better than average cafe coffee time after time. Have your $1400ish stash ready and keep looking here for a good secondhand HX, keep the Sunbeam for a bit then upgrade it later.

    Back on the topic. If a Tamper is to light or more specifically to top heavy compared to the base it is harder to tamp level I reckon so a bit of weight in the base is nice, 4-500g seems to work the 300ish one I have had was ordinary to use. A balanced feel and a handle that fits the hand well (different for different people) is also important.

    So the best thing to do is go pick them up and have a play

    A couple below one of them just feels uncomfortable (I know because I have tried one) and the other will be top heavy.

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    Thanks for the helpful info.
    The Tamper on the left appears like one I was considering and hadnt thought of the top heavy aspect.
    Suggesting 4-500 grams is also one I will follow up.
    Ill go check out the HX although yeah..will have to make do with the Sunbeam for a while yet.

    Cheers ;)

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    Weight is only one aspect of a tamper, balance, fit in your hand and fit to the basket are much more important. Dont get wound up with weight as it is only one factor that you need to look at. Having used a cheap, slightly expensive and high end tamper you definitely get what you pay for (and btw the weight was the same for the cheap and expensive one).

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    Cheers...Ill be saving my pennies for that Expobar...hoping I get to live that long?

    I have measured the diameter of my basket and it is exactly 53mm.
    There are 51mm, 52mm, and 53mm.
    How much clearance on each side id ideal if the Tamper is centered?
    Im guessing from responses here that rather than order one online, I should take my basket to a coffee accessories supplier and get the exact fit and a feel that suits me.

    Makes sense...glad Im here ;D

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    Re: tamper choice

    Quote Originally Posted by 507272736E757473781D0 link=1272620363/24#24 date=1274940698
    Im guessing from responses here that rather than order one online, I should take my basket to a coffee accessories supplier and get the exact fit and a feel that suits me.
    Yes, exactly.

    You want just enough clearance that the tamper goes into the basket and is removed easily. Any more than a couple of mm and the edge that doesnt fit will likely not tamp as firm and will allow water through too easily. This is channelling and is not good.

    My custom fitted Pullman has so little space that when inserted into the basket it is difficult to feel whether you can move it from side to side. I would be maybe .5 mm in diameter less than the basket.

    Greg

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    Re: tamper choice

    Ok so I have worn out the seach bar.. (though im sure there has to be a dozen threads on my what Im looking for, burried in this mass of snobbery somewhere..)

    But, i have another question re: tamper choice.

    is there any preference between flat bottomed tamps and ones with the slight radius to match the curve of the showerscreen ?
    does one perform better than the other or is it all a matter of preference?

    thanks,
    kotaro.


    [edit]NB. I have both, and havnt been able to tell them apart.[/edit]

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    use the word CONVEX and search the subject line only not the message as well and check the box only one message per thread.

    There is also two slightly different curve styles one from the US and a European one. Apart from any machine with a curved screen go flat I reckon seems to be the consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C5B5F505852475750593E0 link=1272620363/27#27 date=1274972979
    use the word CONVEX and search the subject line only not the message as well and check the box only one message per thread.

    There is also two slightly different curve styles one from the US and a European one. Apart from any machine with a curved screen go flat I reckon seems to be the consensus.
    Thanks BF, I think that is probably the only thing I didnt search for *;D

    [edit]after reading this thread: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1264832515/10#10
    and Greg Pullmans FAQ I have come to the conclusion that there are probly many more things that are going to more greatly impact the quality and consistancy of my coffee rather than whether or not my tamper has a flat or convex bottom. as i said before, i have both and cannot tell them apart in the cup. [/edit]

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    Re: tamper choice

    Im in Werribee, Melbourne.
    Any tips who might have a reasonable range?
    (excluding the gold plated ones) :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 082A2A2B362D2C2B20450 link=1272620363/29#29 date=1275622657
    Im in Werribee, Melbourne.
    Any tips who might have a reasonable range?
    (excluding the gold plated ones) :D
    Ill tip myself ;)

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    Talk Coffee just the other side of the city or Di Bella in Nth Melbourne had a good range last time I was there.

    If you need a non 58mm one maybe a phone call ahead of time would be a good idea too ;)

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    tampers

    which one wooden handle or all solid steel

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    sorry for the delay Solid steel



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