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    Assistance please!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I have had a Saeco automatic machine for 6 years. It has recently died....something to do with frying computer boards *and a buggered boiler.......and then I found this forum...my god I feel like I have been missing out all these years.
    In short I have about $1200- to spend. What is the best option/ direction to head in for replacing the automatic. Everyone seems to rave about the Rancilio Silvia!
    Please give me good reasons to put to my wife who loved the Saeco and who hates coffee grinds.
    This would be greatly appreciated!
    Thanks

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    Hi Michael- the sylvia/rocky combo will give you years of pleasure.....If you can move a little, the expobar office would be an excellent option in entry level HX....but then youd need to find a few hundred for a grinder....

    I also know of a member who has a top end Jura machine (s95- serviced and 4 year old) hed like to sell.....

    Chris

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    Hey Michael,

    Ill vouch for the expobar pictured above. Ive been using one for the last 9 months or so. Great machine, looks good on the counter.

    Heres mine:


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    Hey Matty,

    I see your group handles got the "brewers droop", or is that "metal fatigue" from over use hehe!

    Michael,

    only you can decide whether if you were happy with the auto, you would go with another, OR change over to a manual set up. If you go manual you will have to readjust your whole familys way of thinking and doing things....

    Yes the coffee will be different and possibly better (depending on your own individual view)

    Yes the resulting mess / grinds / water on bench will be unbelievable.

    And yes you will have to get "serious" about learning how to correctly operate the manual set up or no matter how good the set up is, you will brew rubbish........you are in control.

    The silvia is not the only good domestic machine around and right now there is very little or no stock so if want one of those, you will have to search around or wait until new stock arrives from Italy. Some have already given us advance orders. It will give you a style of brew that is equivalent to, or approaches thatmade with commercial machines, if that is what you are looking for in a domestic machine.

    The La Pavoni Domus Bar is also a great machine and in the current absence of silvia it has been selling well for us.

    There are others, depending on budget / individual requirement / expectation / and taste!

    Regardz,
    FC.

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    After six years of super-auto, I suspect youll go through quite a big adjustment. I went the other way, from a manual Krupps to a Saeco and love the convenience of hitting a button and seeing the coffee ground, tamped and dispensed in a flash. And after a bit of tinkering, weve got the quality of the brew close to cafe- standard (better than some cafes, I should say). If youve been happy with the brew, I dont think you should dismiss the Saecos on the basis of your experience with a six-year-old version. The technology has certainly moved on (lathough Im not sure our machine will last six years - hence the five-year extended warranty).

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    Re: Assistance please!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Glover link=1147386016/0#0 date=1147386016
    Please give me good reasons to put to my wife who loved the Saeco and who hates coffee grinds.
    This would be greatly appreciated!
    Thanks
    I had a Saeco that ran like a dream for about 2 years and produced brilliant espressos which improved as soon as I started roasting the beans I bought here. Then I started thinking that Id like the "theatre" of going back to a manual machine and grinder. There is no doubting the convenience of superautos and I really do believe that some of the doubters have never seen a properly set up one with good beans at work. they can be exceptionally good. But............when you see the honeycomb drip from a good quality "normal" machine, you will be beside yourself and in total ecstacy. The richness and depth is on a totally different level and its also fun. But I would not have one in a house where there are people who drink coffee but are not passionate about it and are not prepared to go through a rigid routine to get the best out of their machine. Having said this, it is not as difficult as one might guess. You assume that theres a huge learning curve, but there isnt really, although the machine may look scary. But you never stop learning. And - for those who scoff at superautos, for convenience they cannot be beaten, CAN produce great coffee and really are miracles of industrial design.

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    Hi Michael,

    Ive got to agree with 2mcm in saying that the Expobar is fantastic value for money. An iberital challenge grinder is probably the cheapest best match. Youd have to check up on the prices, but Im sure that most vendors would cut you some sort of a deal if you bought them both together.

    There are two main problems that the Expobar machines seem to have (and they also affect other machines ); they can run hot and have their brew pressures set too high. Its important to buy a machine like this from a reputable vendor that will set the boiler and pump pressures to decent values for you before you buy. The pump pressure is especially important, because most of the Expobar machines do not have a gauge to allow you to work it out easily. Also, reputable vendors will help you ease into using the machine and will provide good warranty support. It pays to do your homework.

    The e-61 heat exchanger machines (of which the Expobar above is probably the cheapest) are a lot easier to use than the silvia and its ilk.

    ... just my $0.02,

    Luca

    PS. FC: Matty J has a La Marzocco portafilter with the 15 degree handle. A luxury, to be sure, but by far the nicest portafilter around!

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    re: FC/brewers droop ... its more ergomonomical or something.

    Its bizzare; it just feels so nice to hold ... I kinda dont want to lock it into the group, coz once its in my hand, I just want to walk around with it in my hand ...

    But then, Im the sort of person who can feel the difference between a chefs knife that you buy in woolworths for $5, and a good expensive chefs knife ... when you hold a good knife, you just want to cut stuff. When I hold the LM lion pf, I just wanna brew stuff.

    That, and the stock expobar pf doesnt have the depth for an 18g or triple basket ... unless you chop the pants off it.

    Which I did.

    Hence the La Marzocco pf to replace it.

    And what other company (ok, I can think of at least two) care about their products so much, theyll ebmoss a regal looking lion above the handle?


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    I cant really understand that feeling Matt...I have quite a few good chefs knives, yet I dont necessarily feel like cutting stuff. It just feels better when I do cut stuff.

    Dont need a lion, what do they know about brewing coffee?

    Those Expobars really do offer value for money, unless you feel like blinging it up with LM eq. Maybe why people always have momo steering wheels and pedals.

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    ... but isnt the whole point of saving money on the machine to allow you to pimp it out with cool accessories?

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    Re: Assistance please!

    Quote Originally Posted by nunu link=1147386016/0#8 date=1147615867
    I cant really understand that feeling Matt...I have quite a few good chefs knives, yet I dont necessarily feel like cutting stuff. *It just feels better when I do cut stuff.
    My Dad gave us a good knife set for our engagement present. When I first held the chefs knife, I just got the feeling that I wanted to cut food.

    Quote Originally Posted by nunu link=1147386016/0#8 date=1147615867
    Dont need a lion, what do they know about brewing coffee?
    more than youd think...

    Quote Originally Posted by nunu link=1147386016/0#8 date=1147615867
    Those Expobars really do offer value for money, unless you feel like blinging it up with LM eq. *Maybe why people always have momo steering wheels and pedals.
    Are you saying that Im the [s]leb[/s] man of middle eastern appearance of the coffeesnob world?

    fair enough.

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    Re: Assistance please!

    Granted, my brother-in-law has a set of Peugeot salt and pepper mills, must be a badge thing.

    I think the Expobar would look much nicer with CCFT lighting, preferably red. Sick mate!

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    hmm ... that might have to be the next mod. Though I prefer flourescent blue, or even purple.

    Ive already made a drain for the drip tray, and run the water inlet lines under the bench from a 12L container. And then theres the new vacpot ... any more bling might have to wait...

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    Re: Assistance please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyj link=1147386016/0#12 date=1147698348
    ... any more bling might have to wait...
    Oh no, you didnt ...

    ... wait, yep, you did ...

    ... guess Im going to have to post that photo of Murkys Synesso:




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