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    Online rancilio purchase?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Can anyone suggest an online supplier for the Rancilio Silvia? *The only place Ive found in Tassie that sells them does so for the over-inflated price of $880.

    The Coffee Company has them for $760 + $20 freight to Tassie - anyone dealt with them? *Any other suggested suppliers?

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    Re: Online rancilio purchase?

    Brett- Attilio of Cosmorex will have stocks of the Sylvia shortly. I am his Victorian dealer. You are welcome to deal with either of us on this item....

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    Brett,

    stock of Silvia has been non existent basically since christmas.

    Stocks are now starting to filter in slowly.

    The price has indeed come up. But I beg of you to understand that the only reason the prices were low before, was because of a couple of rat bags in the machine importing business that were selling machines to resellers, then undercutting their resellers by selling directly to the retail market at rock bottom prices, thereby forcing the sale of these machines at prices guaranteeing no profit (or no sale), to the resellers.

    I am led to believe these players are being knocked out of the market ( and in essence this is one reason why there have been no mahcines around for a while.

    Other companies have taken to importing the machines, and the price is rising to one that offers a fair profit to the vendors for their effort.

    The new RRP is $770.00. It actually represents a very fair (not high) profit margin to the reseller, as well as a fair price to the buyer. Before you choke on your weaties, please let me say again, the previous prices for silvia were unfair to most resellers, and they were too low in the market anyway when you consider it meant silvia & rocky could be purchased for not much more at retail THAN MACHINES OF FAR LOWER CAPABILITY. This is not the way things should be Im afraid.

    If you have found a reseller that is offering $10.00 below RRP, then all I can say is someone must be taking turns at being the rat bag but atleast its only $10.00 which in the scheme of things is not very significant one way or another.

    I could say then, that when our stocks arrive I will price them at $1.00 below this other fellas price, at $759.00!

    But we wont do that, because if you purchase a machine at $770.00 from one of the sponsors of CS at the RRP, it means that for a very small investment of the extra $10.00 you have supported a group of people that help and have helped hundreds of readers in these pages looking for and getting advice on a miriad of coffee and coffee machine related topics.

    And yeah, $880.00 is a bit stiff EXCEPT if the vendor has value added considerably, such as when you purchase a machine from my establishment and you get a pre delivery set up and adjustment and 1 hour personal lesson on how best to use your new equipment. Then it could be considered entirely fair, because nuthins for nuthin!

    Low prices mean you get a box, take it home, and work it out yourself! And you dont even know until you get it home, if its DOA and needs to go back.

    Good luck with your purchase, hope we can help. Please see your PMs above.

    Regardz,
    FC.

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    Re: Online rancilio purchase?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1149251999/0#2 date=1149313114
    The new RRP is $770.00.
    Sounds like a fair price to me. Especially considering (as I posted in another thread) a few days ago I saw a price tag of almost $960 on a standard Silvia :-/

    Cheers,

    Rob

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    Re: Online rancilio purchase?

    As a point of reference, in the US a new 110V Silvia can be purchased, and shipped domestically, for the equivalent of approximately $660 (i.e. $500USD) from multiple online sources. Feel free to file this away with all the other useless information you may have received this week :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jggall01 link=1149251999/0#4 date=1149402071
    As a point of reference, in the US a new 110V Silvia can be purchased, and shipped domestically, for the equivalent of approximately $660 (i.e. $500USD) from multiple online sources. *Feel free to file this away with all the other useless information you may have received this week :-)

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    And then youd only need to add the cost of shipping and and inverter on to the base price......apart from the challenge of obtaining bits or service on an import machine....not to mention what might occur if you ever want to sell it....Sounds like a veritable bargain to me! ;) ::)

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    I think the $660 price tag for the US machine brings home the point of why would you dick around with a US import with no support and the wrong voltage when for an extra $100 (minus US-OZ postage which would be a fair bit anyway) you can get a well supported machine locally? Cheap insurance I say! :)

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    Thanks for the feedback everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1149251999/0#2 date=1149313114
    Brett,

    The new RRP is $770.00. It actually represents a very fair (not high) profit margin to the reseller, as well as a fair price to the buyer. Before you choke on your weaties, please let me say again, the previous prices for silvia were unfair to most resellers...

    If you have found a reseller that is offering $10.00 below RRP, then all I can say is someone must be taking turns at being the rat bag but atleast its only $10.00 which in the scheme of things is not very significant one way or another...

    I could say then, that when our stocks arrive I will price them at $1.00 below this other fellas price, at $759.00!

    But we wont do that, because if you purchase a machine at $770.00 from one of the sponsors of CS at the RRP, it means that for a very small investment of the extra $10.00 you have supported a group of people that help and have helped hundreds of readers in these pages looking for and getting advice on a miriad of coffee and coffee machine related topics.

    And yeah, $880.00 is a bit stiff EXCEPT if the vendor has value added considerably, such as when you purchase a machine from my establishment and you get ...
    I certainly wouldnt mind paying an extra $10 or $20 if it means Im supporting a site sponsor. Also, as someone whos worked in wholesale and retail markets, I know how much of a pain these rat bags can be.

    The $880 I was quoted unfortunately had no value added. It was from the Tasmanian Rancilio agents - Mario Food wholesalers. Mocopan put me on to them. The lady I spoke to took 10 minutes to find a price, and it was just for the standard unit - no extras, no instruction, just drive to the opposite end of the state, fork over the money and drive home again.

    I think Ill pay $770 plus freight and buy from one of you guys. :)

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    Re: Online rancilio purchase?

    man..
    my fren bought a silvia for 600 early this year!
    What a steal!! and it came with 12 months warranty...

    Why does the price increase so sharply in only a few months?! I wont hesitate to buy 1 if i can afford it.. my gaggia baby is all i hav n i am proud of her! muackz..

    Jerome

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    And this my friend is entirely the point I was getting at in my post above..........

    your friend who was sold a silvia for $600.00, got it a retail for UNDER the price that resellers were buying them for.

    The importers were shafting their own reseller clients (selling them the machines to resell, then undercutting them at retail).

    This type of sneaky, underhanded, immoral carry on is now hopefully gone forever.

    A very fair price is $770.00 for both parties, where a sealed box has changed hands. Where any form of service is involved such as in pre delivery check & set up and client familiarisation lesson, afraid the price has to be higher. This will also explain the situation I hope in terms of internet auction vendors. Their prices were low, but they gave you nothing, and did nothing for their profit margin.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1149251999/0#9 date=1149984465
    And this my friend is entirely the point I was getting at in my post above..........

    your friend who was sold a silvia for $600.00, got it a retail for UNDER the price that resellers were buying them for.

    The importers were shafting their own reseller clients (selling them the machines to resell, then undercutting them at retail).

    This type of sneaky, underhanded, immoral carry on is now hopefully gone forever.

    A very fair price is $770.00 for both parties, where a sealed box has changed hands. Where any form of service is involved such as in pre delivery check & set up and client familiarisation lesson, afraid the price has to be higher. This will also explain the situation I hope in terms of internet auction vendors. Their prices were low, but they gave you nothing, and did nothing for their profit margin.

    Hope this helps.

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    FC.
    Its really good to see that things will a tad less ridiculous with this machine.

    As FC has pointed out, resellers were being ripped off.

    Two years ago, I spoke with the Melbourne company/importer from which a number of CSers have purchased this machine. I had identified it as perfect for my demographic at the cafe and planned to stock and sell it.

    At the time I spoke with them, the sale price in their retail shop was LESS than my wholesale buy price....so there was no way I could stock it and compete.

    Im glad that there has been a drought of this unit. Hopefully, prices will remain fair for all...

    Chris

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    Re: Online rancilio purchase?

    Chris, FC, MattG, others -

    I fear my earlier post (regarding the US price for a new Silvia) was understood to be a recommendation to consider purchasing one this way (probably should have been more careful with my words).

    Didnt mean to step on any toes, and certainly didnt want to suggest that buying the US model would be a good idea for the OP. I totally agree with the many comments pointing out the problems.

    I just thought it was interesting, and still do, that there is so much variation in the price of this machine in our "global economy." And, based on the recent posts, the variation on just one continent.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    My intentions were the same as JGG.. Just mentioning that my fren got it at 600 and it was a steal.. And it came with 12 months warranty and it wasnt an online purchase..

    And just a question... Who is the main distributor of Rancilio machines in Melbourne?

    Jerome



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