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    Which machine for a Take-away....

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    G,day all .
    first time post just to introduce myself .
    dont know what to say to kick off .
    i know nothing about coffee or what i do know i could write on the back of a postage stamp.
    but the wife and i have a take away food place in the bush and have done for a lot of years .
    we get asked a lot for cappuccino and we mostly turn people away because we dont do it.we have also been asked for latte ( never seen one except on tv )
    we have decided we want to change that.
    now dont throw stones at me but i drink instant :-[
    only the best though "moccona intensity "i am fussy about my instant , and i use whitener , never tried an espresso .
    anyway we are about to enter into a steep learning curve i have been reading now for 3 days on the net and getting more amazed by the hour at the amount there is to learn about coffee.
    i will be in toowoomba tomorrow and intend visiting a few coffee places and check out some gear .
    oh forgot a few years ago we did plunger in the shop for a while but it never took off much .
    i have one very regular customer ( not for coffee )who is from serbia and has already told me he will be a an even more regular customer if we can get it right, he lives on the the beans.
    i have had a bit of a yarn to "AM" on a woodwork forum of which i am a member .
    i am at the moment trying to make up my mind on which machine would suit our needs best without taking out a second mortgage .
    i also realise i will need to do at the very least a short course to get me on the right track at the start.

    johno

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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    Hi Johno & welcome. It may be worth starting a thread in one of the Brewing Equipment threads as your post may get a little lost here.

    I think itís good you can acknowledge you know very little about real coffee and youíre willing to learn; no disrespect intended but it sounds like you have a long way to go.

    Just how far into the bush are you? What potential do you think there is for coffee sales? Are your customers mostly locals or tourists or a combination? The best solution will probably vary depending on the answers to these questions.

    Buying equipment outright can be a huge capital expense, you would most likely be looking at the best part of $10K by the time you buy the coffee machine, grinder, accessories, cups/saucers, installation (plumbing/sparky), etc. This may be worthwhile if you can afford it and there is potential for high volume sales. You also need to consider if there are any coffee technicians nearby for maintenance & repairs.

    There is a lot of second hand equipment out there but I would be very careful about such a purchase as most if it would have been pretty heavily used.

    Another option may be a contract with a coffee roaster who will supply you with the equipment. This should ideally be with someone local as they will also provide servicing and repairs (canít make money if the equipment is broken down).

    It could even be that the best solution for you may be a superautomatic machine.

    Doing a barista course is certainly a good idea. The equipment is only one part of the equation. You still need good technique and fresh quality beans for a decent coffee.

    There are many others here who are a heck of a lot more knowledgeable than myself. I am interested in coffee purely at a domestic level.

    I would start buy talking to some nearby coffee suppliers.

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    Hey Texx, I agree with the junkie you probably ought to start a new thread to ask your questions. Also add a bit more info on your business and current/potential customer base.* There are a lot of regular contributors that will try to offer good advice

    If you have never tried espresso before, but are used to instant, you might want to make your first drink a long macchiato (if you take milk) or a long black if you take it black. Cappuccinos, lattes or flat whites are basically milk with small amount of coffee. Straight espresso is pretty intense.

    As for training, good idea, but bear in mind not all trainers are any good. Hopefully some snobs in your part of the world can recommend where to go.

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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    Depending on how far back in the bush you are and how many coffees a day you think youll be serving you may not even want to go with commercial equipment. Higher end home/prosumer machines may be satisfactory to your needs. As the previous posters have stated we really need more information before we can give an informed opinion. :)


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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    the first thing would be how many customers a day do you typically get.

    Of those how many would buy coffee if it was available?

    Do you have enough time to do coffee as well. (you cant do everything.

    what part of the county are you in? cooler climate more people drink coffee.

    while many people are here are fanatical about coffee you dont need a PhD in astrophysics to make good coffee. A lot of commercially made coffee is not that good.

    Initially I would get a good domestic machine and once you are confident with this (dont try and make coffee for customers on your first day) you can either decide to get a commercial, machine or see how long the domestic machine would last.

    Being in a remote area I think you would need a simple and robust set up.

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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    after looking at the commercial machines they are going to be out of the equation at the moment as they are more than we will need in a machine .
    i am thinking along the lines of only 20 or 30 coffees a day unless we have a massive growth spurt here.
    also i would rather not have it plumbed in .
    i would think any machine that is big enough for a medium size office would suffice .
    while in toowoomba today i never got time to check out any machines , to busy chasing up other stuff .but i was told to stay away from one particular ( popular ) machine because they have trouble with relays , dont want to name the machine here incase i upset some one .
    sales may increase with time i suppose if we can get enough people hooked* ;D :D

    johno

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    If you do a good job of making coffee Im sure your sales will increase.

    You may want to consider a machine called the Ibertal LAnna which has a large boiler 4L, a rotary pump and a resevoir (i.e. is not plumbed-in).* I assume its also a 10A plug.

    Im not sure if Id want to run a standard domestic machine 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (or what ever your hours are).

    I wouldnt completely rule out a commercial machine.* A 1 group commercial is not much more than a high end domestic.* If youre lucky you might be able to get a lightly used commercial for a lot less than new.

    I also wouldnt rule out plumbing the machine.* Just imagine this scenario: The shop is full of customers waiting for food and coffee and sweat is running from your brow from trying to keep up.* You are half way through pouring 2 shots for flat whites, the milk is already textured.* Suddenly the tank runs low and the pump cuts out.* You will then have to stop what youre doing, refill the machine (you will probably want to keep some filtered water in a drum handy), discard your half-poured shots and start again. As someone who grew up in my parents take away store, I know this would p!ss you off very quickly.

    You will need to get a walter filter, whether you plumb-in or not.* Its then just a matter of running a water line to the machine.* You could even use a large plastic drum for the drain waste to go into (assuming this meets food safety regulations).*

    If you sell 200 coffees a week that adds up to around $35K per annum in sales.* Not sure what the gross profit is on coffee but Im sure its a lot higher than on pies and coke.

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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    Assuming he is open 5 hours a day 30 coffees is 6 an hour.

    I would imagine this is a gentle pace for most baristas.

    To have a machine that you can make 4-6 coffees at a time would be good.

    I am certain that a domestic machine would probably die young in this sort of situation however in the first 3 months the poster will learn a lot and also gauge the size of his market.

    get something that can do a good job of texturing milk and treat that as a starting point.

    of you cant fill the water 2-3 times a day perhaps making coffee is just too hard.

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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    Hi Johno

    Can I suggest that, if youre close enough to travel to Toowoomba, you pick a Saturday and come into Brisbane City itself and have a sit down with Peter from Di Bella?* Im sure hed be happy enough to listen to your requirements and suggest the best way to go forward from there - Di Bella stocks a range of Home User machines, but also look after commercial customers as well and deal in franchises.* Im pretty sure that, if your business wasnt viable for a franchise, though, that Peter would help you find a suitable home machine that should be capable of putting out enough cups of coffee in the take-away, at least until your reputation for making a great coffee increases so much you have to look at getting a bigger machine!* *;)

    Di Bella also do training on the machines they sell including the home machines, so if you walked out with a machine, you would also walk out with some fresh beans and the basics of how to turn them into a good cup of coffee for your customers as well.

    If you click on any of the different coloured Di Bella logos in my post, it should take you to the Sponsor Page, and it would have a link to contact Di Bella and speak to them further.

    Good luck!

    Cheers
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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    The same could probably be said for several other of our Site Sponsors in the Brisbane/Gold Coast area Di...

    Di Bellas good but so are many others.... ;)

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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

    Sorry, Mal, no offence intended to any of the other local Brisbane sponsors, but they were the Sponsor that sprung immediately to my mind because they did both commercial and home user together and were in Brisbane - I dont have any experience with any of the others that I could mention them, any more than Id probably recommend personally by name any other sponsors other than the ones that Ive dealt with to a home user?

    Do you want to mention the others that you know of in this thread for balance, so Texx can do a ring around if hed like to?

    Cheers
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    i have spotted a machine that just might do the job and i am going to make a call tomorrow ,
    thanks people .
    yesterday while i was going around and around in a tractor my wife said she turned away 6 customers that wanted cappuccinos
    sheeeeeeeeeesh. that hurts .

    johno

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    Johno,

    Coming from a small outback town (and yes, Im allowed to say that as we are considered an outback town here), where we have managed to struggle through 10 years of constant drought, I can feel your pain when you have to turn people away without having been able to serve them with what they are wanting.

    I hope you get your machine sorted soon enough, along with some training. Stick around here too, if you havent found yourself addicted already! :D

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    Re: Which machine for a Take-away....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 785F495B43300 link=1303862169/11#11 date=1304328562
    Do you want to mention the others that you know of in this thread for balance, so Texx can do a ring around if hed like to?
    Rather than list individual sponsors, its far better to contact all sponsors via the "Site_Sponsors_at..." email address listed above and those than can help, will get back to Johno ASAP. Seems like it might all be sorted now anyway.... ;)

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