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    A New Members Question On Dosers...

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    HI folks, Im about to purchase myself my second machine (a Rancilio Silvia :)), and Im getting the Rocky to go with it. What Im not sure about is the doser. Is it worth it? Its going to be used at home, and seeing as Im the only espresso drinker in the place, I dont want to waste beans by grinding an unneccessary amount, only to have them turn to fertiliser! :o I usually go through about 200gms a fortnight, is it worth the extra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash link=1152549311/0#0 date=1152549311
    HI folks, Im about to purchase myself my second machine (a Rancilio Silvia :)), and Im getting the Rocky to go with it. What Im not sure about is the doser. Is it worth it? Its going to be used at home, and seeing as Im the only espresso drinker in the place, I dont want to waste beans by grinding an unneccessary amount, only to have them turn to fertiliser! :o I usually go through about 200gms a fortnight, is it worth the extra?

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    Hi Ash and welcome to the CS community!

    I wouldnt recommend the doser version of the Rocky. The drop of ground coffee is not adjustable and the doser retains a fair bit of old coffee when empty. General consensus is that youre best with a doserless.

    The Rocky/Silvia combo is a great entry level choice and is available from your friendly site sponsors Cosmorex (and also me!).

    Good luck with your journey!

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Id have to agree with 2mCM.
    I know of guys who only grind what the need the ages cleaning out the doser with a little brush. With ther doserless Rocky you can just give the grinder a bash on the side after you done and any excess grind will fall out.

    A doser at home is pretty much a waste of time IMHO if you are going to only grind what you need.

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich and Rae link=1152549311/0#2 date=1152591710
    Id have to agree with 2mCM.
    I know of guys who *only grind what the need the ages cleaning out the doser with a little brush. With ther doserless Rocky you can just give the grinder a bash on the side after you done and any excess grind will fall out.

    A doser at home is pretty much a waste of time IMHO if you are going to only grind what you need.

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    Can I qualify/clarify what has been commented on...

    In the case of a rocky- If youre thinking of changing baskets and wish to dose by drop- i.e 2 clicks, I probably wouldnt bother with the doser as it is not adjustable.

    The silvia ships with a 12g basket and the Rocky doser version is calibrated to that basket only and cannot be adjusted...however...when it comes to other grinders Id tend to advise in the opposite direction for reasons of settling of grounds and minimising static. In my experience, this is an issue more or less with all doserless grinders- even the mazzer mini-e. I believe that it makes it much more difficult to dose consistently. So with doserless, you will generally deal with fluffy, staticy coffee. A good adjustable doser will overcome these irritations, but you will need to brush it out. And yes- still use it in a "grind to order" fashion rather than let it fill with coffee which then turns stale.

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    Hey, yes I have the Rocky doserless. I think doserless for home use is the way to go due to the low throughput of typical home use. In a work situation or cafe or very busy home use maybe it would be worth going for the doser version.

    I have had my Rocky for over a year now. It is a nice compact and rugged design. It does however sometimes block and it has to be given a bang on the side. This can be cured by removing the finger guard but call me old fashioned, I think maybe someone has put the guard in there for a reason? :)

    The only other annoying thing is that they put these stupid glue on rubber foot pads on which is a cheap shot on an otherwise good quality machine.

    If you want real quality I would go for the Mazzer Mini E but it is IMHO rather expensive and the automatic dosing seems superfluous for home use. Good quality though no doubt about it.

    Overall though aside from a few niggles I think that the Rocky would last as long as a Mazzer or any other type of grinder.

    One more thing in favour of the Rocky is that it has a graduated grind adjustment so that you can set it from espresso to say plunger and back again rather than say the continuous and unmarked adjustments on the Mazzer. This feature can be argued too that stepless gives finer adjustments although I dont find this the case.

    The other nice thing with the Rocky if you have the Rancilio Silvia is that the portafilter holder on the Rocky fits perfectly which is nice. I have a Bezzera and the portafilter doesnt fit the rocky although this is a minor issue which I can deal with.

    Hope this helps Ash!

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    Thanks for the quick answers folks! :) Now I have a better idea of which way to go. As soon as I get back in country Ill be buying them, so hopefully Ill be enjoying the benefits of a decent machine and grinder in about a month or so 8-)

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn link=1152549311/0#4 date=1152613530
    The only other annoying thing is that they put these stupid glue on rubber foot pads on which is a cheap shot on an otherwise good quality machine.

    Grant
    This is easily fixed though......

    I replaced the horrible little self adhesive pads that substitute for real footwear on the Rocky with genuine, screw-attached appliance feet that I bought from our local hardware store. All it took was to drill and tap the holes for the s/s metal thread screws and then attach the feet.... too easy :). The only real difficulty is the quality of the Rockys stainless, 3 drill bits and 2 hand-taps later, the job was finished. Talk about tough..... sheesh :o.

    Looks great now though 8-),
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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Call me lazy... ;D

    I thought that was Rancilios job!

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn link=1152549311/0#7 date=1152622975
    Call me lazy... ;D

    I thought that was Rancilios job!

    Grant
    Well yeah.... I guess so,

    But Ive found that with a lot of stuff that the Italians manufacture with passion (motorbikes, cars for example), that all of the essentials are completed to a very high standard of care and precision and with a level of engineering prowess that epitomises excellence. As a result, some of the ancillaries tend to appear as though they were just attached while the box or crate was being sealed. In the end though, such small idiosyncrasies seem to go hand in hand with Italian manufactured items and I guess you either love em for it or become annoyed...... Myself? I love em :P,

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    ;D

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Is it possible to remove the doser on the Rocky? Or otherwise work around it?

    Like i assume it auto grinds to a preset, nonadjustable level in the doser...so what would happen if you emptied the doser, cleaned it out, then when you needed coffee....let it grind a small amount, then simply turn the machine off, use the coffee, and reclean the doser?

    Is that possible? or would it break something?

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakal1 link=1152549311/0#10 date=1152676484
    Is it possible to remove the doser on the Rocky? Or otherwise work around it?
    Hi,

    Sorry, no can do :(. The body casting for the two models are different and therefore will not let you turn a Doser Rocky into a D/L or vica versa. Im sure though that someone out there has come up with a simple mod that allows the use of the Doser as a simple funnel type of thing like Ive seen done with the odd Mazzer Mini but youd have to do a bit of searching around...... :-?

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakal1 link=1152549311/0#10 date=1152676484
    Like i assume it auto grinds to a preset, nonadjustable level in the doser...so what would happen if you emptied the doser, cleaned it out, then when you needed coffee....let it grind a small amount, then simply turn the machine off, use the coffee, and reclean the doser?
    If youre talking about just using the doser to grind per dose, this is a very, very, very common thing to do ... hell, most entrants in barista competitions will grind per dose and then dose everything out of the doser. Many uber-precise home baristi will also brush the chamber out after each use.

    The problem with the dosered rocky, in specific, is that the doser is crap. The "dosing star" (ie. the sweeper mechanism) is made of plastic and doesnt seem to fit flush with the base of the dosing chamber, so it doesnt sweep well at all. A possible solution to this is to add tape to the star so that it touches the bottom of the chamber and sweeps out most of the grinds. Then there shouldnt be much of a need to sweep the chamber out manually.

    I dont think that the Rocky has an autofill mechanism; I think its just a start/stop switch ... which is fine.

    Hope that helped,

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    Re: A New Members Question On Dosers...

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    ah okay, well thats kind of just as good...no autofill that is. Means that all you have to worry about is the excess ground beans, and not a mountain of preground beans going stale in the doser.

    Cheers for the link btw.



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