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    Angrypeanut Needs a New Machine

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    Hey there everyone.

    Just writing to ask the GURUs on this forum some advice. I am currently in the market for a new Coffee maker. I had a Breville 800 Class Espresso Machine and was very happy with its performance. The Breville 800 Class Espresso Machine was well built very reliable. The reason I am buying a new machine is my ex took it during a break up so I need a replacement.
    I would look at buying another Breville 800 Class Espresso Machine but been wondering if there is something like or better then the ES800 but has a grinding function as well or do I spend my budget on a machine and get a good grinder down the track???? I am setting my budget at $500 or so mark so any information would be excellent

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    Re: Angrypeanut Needs a New Machine

    Buy the grinder first.

    But for that budget, the two items I have have satisfied me pretty well, and have some headroom for tweaking...

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    Re: Angrypeanut Needs a New Machine

    I dont have a machine at all now cause in the break up i lost the coffee machine :( so i dont see much use of a grinder without a machine.

    what machine and grinder can you recommend for my budget??
    i know its not much but for a couple of coffees a day i cant justify much more.

    ideally i would have a grinder and machine in one but if not something like my ES800 and a grinder that grinds as i use as i am not overly keen to grind alot then let it sit.

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    Hi AP,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs [smiley=thumbsup.gif],

    What to buy with the budget you have is really determined mostly by the various methods of brewing you prefer. For example, quite a lot of people have tried the recently released Aeropress coffee brewer and cant sing its praises high enough, so maybe thats something to think about :-??. That way, you could buy yourself a good grinder, and the Aeropress and still have some change in your pocket..... enough to buy some green beans to roast up in a $15-$20 popper and enjoy the freshest coffee possible 8-). Now thats worth thinking about, in my opinion ;),

    Cheers,
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    Matts advice was good, the priority for good coffee basically goes 1. beans 2. grinder 3. brewing method eg press pot or espresso machine.

    the other option is to buy a cheaper grinder and a 2nd hand or refurb machine so for under $500 you could get


    • New sunbeam em4080? grinder approx $170
    • 2nd hand (refurb)Gaggia espresso/evolution/cubika (theyre all the same) either ex ebay or if your lucky from the buy sell boards here Approx $200 maybe much less
    • 10kgs of green beans $80 approx
    • Heatgun or popper $30


    other machine options would be a second hand all in one mokita/napoletana *a few of which have sold here for well under your budget

    I wont argue with anyone who says the gaggias should be avoided because of boiler rot but simply advise you a whole new boiler (the alu bit with heating elements) can be purchased new for $46 incl postage! Even if you had to fit a new boiler once a year thats cheaper than *5 brita filters.

    With the above equipment, some time and patience youll be capable of making truely excellent espresso and if you want to trade up at a later date it wont have cost you much at all. Of course there is a risk with 2nd hand anything but they do have a 90 day warranty.

    good luck!

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    hey angrypeanut, nice little animated avatar!

    breakups make you feel like that huh.

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    AAuugh!

    Dont start talking about breakups :o..... Our eldest son is on the receiving end of a fairly nasty one that endured happily for more than 4 years (he thought :() and now were bearing the brunt of all his miseries and woes..... God help us,

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    Breakups suck. TAKE ANYTHING BUT THE COFFEE MACHINE. how will i have my Hazelnut Lattes NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

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    so anyone else got some ideas on what i could get for my budget?

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    as I said above, my machines produce pretty good results (by my average standards).

    Sunbeam EM0480 grinder. Good value. Got mine for $170 but theyre in high demand it seems.

    Sunbeam EM5800, seems pretty decent for a thermoblock machine. (Good temp stability, temp is apparently adjustable if you tweak it internally. Filters can be de-pressurised. Steaming is average, but I can still foam nicely if Im patient) $315 at Good Guys.

    Thats under your budget. I wouldnt pass up a well maintained used brass boiler machine though.

    B&D popper ~$23 at K-Mart. Takes you over $500, but youll make up for it on the cost of green beans.

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    I would be inclined to get the Sunbeam cafe series grinder and stretch to the EM6900 sunbeam as a package - for sheer value they seem hard to beat as a pair. Otherwise you could try this. Get the Rocky (by Rancilio) grinder and a little Sunbeam Ristretto (about 80 skins or so now). Upgrade machine later. It uses a boiler and an itialian 15 bar pump. It is not a cheap thermoblock. You would use the crema enhacning pressure basket - it actually makes a very nice cup and with the Rockys high level of adjustabiity you could get it right on the grind. I have this machine and its a little ripper - even steams pretty well. You might even be able to get a proper (not crema enhancing) portafilter and basket and use it properly but I really dont know how that would go. Then later, you could upgrade the machine if you wanted. Knowing what I know now, thats they way I would probably do it on that budget.

    Just my 2 cents or so.

    Good luck.

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    Re: Angrypeanut Needs a New Machine

    well from all comments thus far it seems that the Sunbeam Cafe Series is the pick for my budget. hmmm if only i had $5000 for a coffee machine but oh well.

    I am currently looking at the Sunbeam EM6900 and i can get a grinder (probably matching EM0480) in a couple of weeks later. i will just have to get my beans ground till then. Is there much difference between the Breville ES800, Sunbeam EM5800 and a EM Sunbeam EM6900?
    i am reading about the Twin pump and twin thermoblock and can see the benfits. i will just have to bargin with the salesperson and get it as cheap as i can * *:P

    i know i talk about the ES800 alot but its the only machine i have used so using it as a reference point.

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    Smartstore posting modified by 2mcm- please refrain from posting links to sale sites in CS

    Personally, I would wait until Sunbeam fixed design flaws... but the price listed on the site is awesome!

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    I just read http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeam.html and alittle put off after reading about some of the problems. i know the review is a few years old so hopefully between now and then the problems should be (fingers crossed) fixed by now.

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    Check the "keep it in the box youll need to return it" thread on coffee geek on this machine (Australasian forum). It has more up to date info on whats going on with this machine. The bottom line is there have been some teething problems, but Sunbeam are working hard to rectify these. There warranty support has been excellent and they seem committed to making this machine work. There is a new model in the pipe that will have all the current problems fixed and address some deficiencies to bring this machine up into the definite category killer regime.... Sounds very interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1153125201/0#14 date=1153205998
    Check the "keep it in the box youll need to return it" thread on coffee geek on this machine (Australasian forum). It has more up to date info on whats going on with this machine. The bottom line is there have been some teething problems, but Sunbeam are working hard to rectify these. There warranty support has been excellent and they seem committed to making this machine work. There is a new model in the pipe that will have all the current problems fixed and address some deficiencies to bring this machine up into the definite category killer regime.... Sounds very interesting.
    I would hope so.. because my 3rd Machine has died on the same problem. True, the customer service is certainly excellent and Damien Court is looking after me.. my concern is when my warrantee runs out where does that leave me ? I am curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1153125201/15#15 date=1153265242
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1153125201/0#14 date=1153205998
    Check the "keep it in the box youll need to return it" thread on coffee geek on this machine (Australasian forum). It has more up to date info on whats going on with this machine. The bottom line is there have been some teething problems, but Sunbeam are working hard to rectify these. There warranty support has been excellent and they seem committed to making this machine work. There is a new model in the pipe that will have all the current problems fixed and address some deficiencies to bring this machine up into the definite category killer regime.... *Sounds very interesting.
    I would hope so.. because my 3rd Machine has died on the same problem. True, the customer service is certainly excellent and Damien Court is looking after me.. my concern is when my warrantee runs out where does that leave me ? *I am curious...
    Wow...I dont know how you guys put up with this.....sounds like what should really be happening is a full recall on this machine...Perhaps its just tales of woe here, but does anybody have one which is more than a few months old which hasnt broken down? ::)

    If this was a car, it would be comprehensively branded a lemon....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1153125201/15#16 date=1153265621
    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1153125201/15#15 date=1153265242
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1153125201/0#14 date=1153205998
    Check the "keep it in the box youll need to return it" thread on coffee geek on this machine (Australasian forum). It has more up to date info on whats going on with this machine. The bottom line is there have been some teething problems, but Sunbeam are working hard to rectify these. There warranty support has been excellent and they seem committed to making this machine work. There is a new model in the pipe that will have all the current problems fixed and address some deficiencies to bring this machine up into the definite category killer regime.... Sounds very interesting.
    I would hope so.. because my 3rd Machine has died on the same problem. True, the customer service is certainly excellent and Damien Court is looking after me.. my concern is when my warrantee runs out where does that leave me ? I am curious...
    Wow...I dont know how you guys put up with this.....sounds like what should really be happening is a full recall on this machine...Perhaps its just tales of woe here, but does anybody have one which is more than a few months old which hasnt broken down? ::)

    If this was a car, it would be comprehensively branded a lemon....
    You hit the nail on the head mate!

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    hmmmm.

    decisions, decisions, decisions

    The information i have received from this thread and reading the million reviews around the place i am glad i asked before jumping into my purchase.

    I have 2 plans of attack at the moment.
    First is to buy EM5800 and EM0480 straight up or
    EM6900 and use the last of my ground coffee and then buy EM0480

    I know there is some problems with the Cafe series but i think all products have some little problems and the sunbeam after sale sevice has been noted many times for being of a high and friendly standard.

    I have read about thermo blocks not being the best you can get but for ease of use and maintenance i think it will be best suited to my use and time available. I still trying deciede between the EM5800 and the EM6900. The benefits of the EM6900 seem to make it a better machine but would like to hear any information selling either of these machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1153125201/15#17 date=1153268327

    You hit the nail on the head mate!
    DOH. Now there is doubt in my mind again.

    NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Hmmm,

    I still cant help feeling that this machine (the EMO6900) is really targeted at the casual coffee/espresso consumer, rather than the die-hard coffee snob. When you go through all the posts relating to this machine from a swathe of users, one really isnt instilled with a high level of confidence to actually lash out and buy one.... I think Ill keep saving my bickies for a genuine, reputable espresso machine.

    Just my thoughts,

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    My $0.02; the iberital challenge grinder has stepless adjustment, which makes it well worth the extra coin over the sunbeam grinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1153125201/15#20 date=1153271653
    Hmmm,

    I still cant help feeling that this machine (the EMO6900) is really targeted at the casual coffee/espresso consumer, rather than the die-hard coffee snob. When you go through all the posts relating to this machine from a swathe of users, one really isnt instilled with a high level of confidence to actually lash out and buy one.... I think Ill keep saving my bickies for a genuine, reputable espresso machine.

    Just my thoughts,

    Mal.
    Though there might be some truth there but do people realise the that EM6900 has a 3 month commersial warrantee?

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    Sunbeam are trying to make a category killer. They have packed an amasing amount of technology into this package. When its working, it purportedly does a geat job. It has more electronincs than almost any other machine out there. It uses electronic temperature sensing, which can be adjusted by the user (although this is hidden from the user in the current incarnation). I has a stainless steel and teflon brew path with excellent heat conduction to the group. It has self cleaning/descaling modes. Two pumps. Two thermoblocks. True steaming and brewing at the same time... and it only costs $500 or so (because they use Chinese slave labour and cost engineering).

    The irony is that most prosumer heat exchanger machines are far simpler in their build/electronics but cost between two and four times as much. Sure there is some mark-up. For example I know the auto-fill circuits would cost no more than $10-$20 to build if you were to source the retail components yourself. But they sell for in excess of $200. The rest is the price of Italian labour and various profit margins. However, due to this simplicity, these machines are far less likely to break down and likely to run for decades if looked after properly.

    I know Sunbeam are working hard on this project. However, if I was to look at buying one of these machines Id have to ask myself, am I a consumer or a lab rat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1153125201/15#23 date=1153283160
    However, if I was to look at buying one of these machines Id have to ask myself, am I a consumer or a lab rat?
    Too true Sparky ;D,

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    well i am convinced about the Sunbeam grinder but still ummin and arghhhhin about the espresso machine.

    what else would you recommend for the same price that is as easy to use and has same sort of warranties????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1153125201/15#23 date=1153283160
    Sunbeam are trying to make a category killer. They have packed an amasing amount of technology into this package. When its working, it purportedly does a geat job. It has more electronincs than almost any other machine out there. It uses electronic temperature sensing, which can be adjusted by the user (although this is hidden from the user in the current incarnation). I has a stainless steel and teflon brew path with excellent heat conduction to the group. It has self cleaning/descaling modes. Two pumps. Two thermoblocks. True steaming and brewing at the same time... and it only costs $500 or so (because they use Chinese slave labour and cost engineering).

    The irony is that most prosumer heat exchanger machines are far simpler in their build/electronics but cost between two and four times as much. Sure there is some mark-up. For example I know the auto-fill circuits would cost no more than $10-$20 to build if you were to source the retail components yourself. But they sell for in excess of $200. The rest is the price of Italian labour and various profit margins. However, due to this simplicity, these machines are far less likely to break down and likely to run for decades if looked after properly.

    I know Sunbeam are working hard on this project. However, if I was to look at buying one of these machines Id have to ask myself, am I a consumer or a lab rat?

    ....which sorta makes me think that if you design the unit well in the first place, and then engineer it well to perform a task; and then manufacture out of high quality componentry and to a quality point, rather than to a price point, maybe all of the componentry jammed into the Sunbeam box to force it to approximate the same task becomes a bit of a joke!

    Bottom line is that if you compare a good HX and a Sunbeam, Id reckon that perhaps only one of them is gonna be around in 10 years...and I suspect that I know which one that might be.... ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrypeanut link=1153125201/15#25 date=1153285039
    what else would you recommend for the same price that is as easy to use and has same sort of warranties????
    Caveat Emptor.

    Up to a certain price point, I think that its vaguely true to say that the more you pay, the more you get. At around $500, you are going to have to make tradeoffs. You could pick up a single boiler machine like the imats, gaggias or the silvia, which might be a bit more expensive, but they will be more difficult to use. With the imat, you get a nonstandard portafilter and a crappy steam wand. With the silvia, you get a pump that is probably set way too high. The gaggias have crappy steam wands and aluminium boilers, which can corrode and might be linked to Alzheimers. All of these machines are exceptionally simple inside, which means that they should last for ages with an occasional parts replacement. All of these machines cannot brew and steam simultaneously. If you want to modify them to fix the problems, you will lose whatever warranty you have. None of them are anywhere near as easy to use as a "prosumer" HX. You can probably equal the quality of the coffee from the more expenive HX class, but you wont be able to do it with certainty - I reckon that 90% of the shots that you would pull on prosumer HXs would probably be better than what you could make on a $500 machine paired with a good grinder.

    Of course, a lot of what I just said depends on the quality of coffee that you expect. If you want a starbucks-style-hazelnut-latte, any of the cheaper machines will probably get you there, albeit not as quickly and easily. If you want to walk up to your machine and make a single shot that is as good as you can get in the better cafes, without a lot of fuss, these machines (especially when paired with an inadequate grinder) will probably not fit the bill.

    Like Sparky said, its difficult to understand why the more expensive and reliable machines have not been knocked off in a sweatshop yet. Presumably its only a matter of time.

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    ...mines Ok. I work it hard but its only about 1 month old.

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    Being a lab rat has its advantages free food, lodgings and a dose of ebola every second tuesday ;)

    Time will tell, mines only a month old so will keep yall posted if it goes poof. But i dont leave mine on much longer than is required maybe it will help maybe it wont or maybe it will go just fine and dandy. Mind you Im only making 2 or 3 coffees a day.

    By all reports tho the later versions seem ok from what ive heard but in the mean time ill have some good coffees.

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    I am still unsure about gettng the EM6900 but it still seems to be the winner in my mind.

    Can someone tell me what the Portafilter is like?? When I first started looking at machines I found most of the domestic machines had really light and cheap feeling portafilters, is the EM6900 the same?? Is there much advantage of a solid chunky Portafilter over this thiner ones??? If my memory serves me right the reason the EX and i bought the ES800 was that solid feel over other ones we looked at.

    If they EM6900 isnt the best portafilter can you get decent replacement ones?
    Is there any advantages of a chunky solid Portafilter?
    Is there anything else you could recommend doing or getting to an EM6900 to make it a better machine (and i dont mean throw it away and get something else :P )

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    Its got one of the heaviest PFs you will pick up. They are great - hold heaps of heat when pre-heated with a shot of water. The baskets are oversized and you can swap in standard size ones cheaply - couple of bucks - ive done that on the advice of this site, which allows consistent dosing and doesnt waste coffee.

    I cant see of any upgrades. I dont know how they will improve it. I must be lucky to get a late model upgraded one (red and silver) because its faultless so far and the pressure/brewing guage is dead accurate. Top of brown is perfect espresso, over in the black is over-extracted and Ive never had it (nor tried) in the red. Good dosing gets you where you want after you get the grind right. Mid brown is still good but a bit quicker to extract and lower brown is under extracted with hint of crema; below that is well under-extracted and has no crema.

    The steamer works very well. The machine heats up very quickly and provides consistent coffee one after another. I have no issues at all with it and have found it to be excellent value. It has a 5 year pump warranty and 12 months on the rest. It has a massive drip tray too, with a fullness indicator that actually works.

    Go for it!
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    WAHOOO!!!!

    someone who is happy with the EM6900. I was starting to think all the reviews and information on the net was lies.

    Good to hear the Portafilter is good. Are the filter baskets 57 or 58mm and where did you get yours???

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    Didnt measure - asked Barazi in Brisbane for some standard ones and I got standard ones apparantly

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    For people like me who are looking at the Sunbeam EM6900 or have one I have found this thread that might help

    http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/worldregional/australasia/233849?LastView=1153346637&Page=1

    It starts off a bit DOOM and GLOOM but you soon find out what is right and wrong with this machine but also find out how Sunbeam are trying so hard to help. Not many companies I know are willing to give you a direct email address and Mobile Phone number to call with your problems. You will read how Damien Court is working with this machine and how he is helping users with there machine. Also find a few tips and tricks to make this machine produce a very good product.

    I have emailed Damien and see if he can give me any information on the Mark 2 version of the EM6900 as well as information about being able to tell the difference between first off batch and models with initial bugs fixed. Once I get a reply I will post the whole email on here to try and help people like me find and choose a machine that suits normal "non professional" needs

    Donít get me wrong. This machine has had some problems but seeing a company doing everything they can to help and fix them leads me to believe that are looking out for end users.

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    look forward to that...I read that post and pretty much all references here and the rest of the net before buying. Good to do. Eyes wide open and all that.

    I reckon we are into the second or third incarnation of the machine now. See what Damien says.

    Cheers

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    If you dont mind temp surfing and arent paranoid about aluminium and corrosion, the plastic bodied, non-solenoid Gaggias slaughter other machines in their price range for the espresso they can produce and they steam as well as the EM6900 (ie not great but good enough).

    The Sunbeam EM480 grinder cant be beaten for value IMO, if you are on a budget.

    Greg (Gaggia fan boi)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaanage link=1153125201/30#36 date=1153379024
    If you dont mind temp surfing and arent paranoid about aluminium and corrosion, the plastic bodied, non-solenoid Gaggias slaughter other machines in their price range for the espresso they can produce and they steam as well as the EM6900 (ie not great but good enough).

    The Sunbeam EM480 grinder cant be beaten for value IMO, if you are on a budget.

    Greg (Gaggia fan boi)
    hmmmmmmm. tempting as corrosion and plastic does sound i think i might give it a miss.

    thanks for your input though. better to ask questions and get called a Newbie etc then run out and get my money pissed against the wall on something that is a bucket of crap.

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    Re: Angrypeanut Needs a New Machine

    the EM6900 has apparantly got stainless steel lined thermoblocks which I understand is a first.

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    PS. Good for avoiding Alzheimers if nothing else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrypeanut link=1153125201/30#37 date=1153379471
    hmmmmmmm. tempting as corrosion and plastic does sound i think i might give it a miss.

    thanks for your input though. better to ask questions and get called a Newbie etc then run out and get my money pissed against the wall on something that is a bucket of crap.
    The point is that they are NOT a "bucket of crap". The Gaggias are genuinely capable of pulling outstanding shots (ask the Synesso user here) and are not flimsy in the parts that count.

    The corrosion is a locality/water supply issue. I have played with some 20 year old Gaggias that had some corrosion but were still usable. Other people have reported worrying amounts of corrosion after short periods of ownership but they lived in other cities.

    And the Alzheimers/aluminium link has been shown to be reversed in some recent studies (ie the Alzheimers seems to cause the aluminium retention in the brain matter, not the other way around). The whole issue is inconclusive.

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    Hi All,

    In order to "put to bed" the myths surrounding the supposed link between Aluminium and the onset of Alzheimers, have a read of some current factual information about the subject here...http://tinyurl.com/fxrbg, here...http://tinyurl.com/gqev, and a more technical explanation here...http://tinyurl.com/pfppb. I have a certain affinity with this sort of knowledge because of my current physical condition. Before I was diagnosed correctly, I was given the news that I had the early onset form of Alzheimers. Given the nature of this diagnosis and the deteriorating prognosis that we are all familiar with, my wife and I undertook an exhaustive study and research of all the information we could find on the subject.

    One of the upshots of this, is that Aluminium is definitely NO LONGER CONSIDERED to be a definite causal association with the onset of Alzheimers..... from a multiplicity of independent studies conducted in several different distinguished and reputable institutions. Hope the linked information above can assuage any concerns that fellow CSers might have about the subject. All the best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaanage link=1153125201/30#39 date=1153452730
    Quote Originally Posted by Angrypeanut link=1153125201/30#37 date=1153379471
    hmmmmmmm. tempting as corrosion and plastic does sound i think i might give it a miss.

    thanks for your input though. better to ask questions and get called a Newbie etc then run out and get my money pissed against the wall on something that is a bucket of crap.
    The point is that they are NOT a "bucket of crap". The Gaggias are genuinely capable of pulling outstanding shots (ask the Synesso user here) and are not flimsy in the parts that count.

    Greg
    As I said in my earlier post the Gaggia is the best value solution by a long shot. Im using a $100 Gaggia Espresso Deluxe as my 2nd machine atm and even though my main rig, a Cimbali Jnr (40kgs+ and $3k+rrp) does generally pull a slightly richer shot the Gaggia is a very close match for mik based drinks.

    Im not saying the Gaggia will be the last machine youll ever buy but if your starting out (or restarting :() the value cannot be matched eslewhere unless your get very lucky in the 2nd hand market and most importantly they make damn fine espresso plus they are fully user serviceable.

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    I will add that the Cubika is an inferior machine to the Carezza/Evolution/Espresso, even though it has a metal body - the boiler has half the heating power of the other Gaggias so it loses the very fast brew->steam transition that most Gaggias have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1153125201/30#40 date=1153456755
    Hi All,

    In order to "put to bed" the myths surrounding the supposed link between Aluminium and the onset of Alzheimers, have a read of some current factual information about the subject here...http://tinyurl.com/fxrbg, here...http://tinyurl.com/gqev, and a more technical explanation here...http://tinyurl.com/pfppb. I have a certain affinity with this sort of knowledge because of my current physical condition. Before I was diagnosed correctly, I was given the news that I had the early onset form of Alzheimers. Given the nature of this diagnosis and the deteriorating prognosis that we are all familiar with, my wife and I undertook an exhaustive study and research of all the information we could find on the subject.

    One of the upshots of this, is that Aluminium is definitely NO LONGER CONSIDERED to be a definite causal association with the onset of Alzheimers..... from a multiplicity of independent studies conducted in several different distinguished and reputable institutions. Hope the linked information above can assuage any concerns that fellow CSers might have about the subject. All the best,

    Mal.
    Like the shifting sands, current scientific opinion changes all the time. The latest piece of medical evidence that I saw published (in the most prestigious scientific journal, Nature, about 2 months ago) reinstated the debate with the case of a lady in Britain dying of early onset Alzheimers with high levels of Aluminium in her brain. I dont want to argue this point other than to suggest that if youre interested read the paper, which was published by scientists who work in the field and are aware of all the previous hypothises.

    The bottom line that I took away was the Aluminium is the only common element that is NOT found or used in the (healthy) body. So why would you want to put it in there?

    Yes Gaggias can make a brilliant espresso, regardless of their faults.

    Cheers,

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    Well the week is over and no word from Damien yet but i found this
    http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=105025&catId=100168&tid=100008 &p=1&title=Manual+and+semi-automatic+espresso+machines

    i am not a member of choice but if someone is can they have a read and let us know the basics of there findings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrypeanut link=1153125201/30#32 date=1153347659
    WAHOOO!!!!

    someone who *is happy with the EM6900. I was starting to think all the reviews and information on the net was lies.

    Good to hear the Portafilter is good. Are the filter baskets 57 or 58mm and where did you get yours???
    Hey im happy with my 6900 too ::) it just dished up a very yummy Latte with faultless micro foam. Rae even managed to pour a heart on top.

    Still giving great shots still steams faultlessly so what if it takes a few secs longer :) To be fair tho Silvia does have a heap of steam pressure.

    Obviously the 6900 is not a prosumer or commercial machine and probably wont make a coffee like a ECM Giotto. It will however make a coffee as damn near as good as or better than a Silvia with less fuss. I would however like to try a machine like a Giotto just to see. And yes a Silvia probably will last longer than a 6900 but at least I should be able to fix it myself if its out of warranty. I have seen threads on a few places where people do have trouble with thier Silvias even under warranty.

    The filter baskets are 58mm my Reg Barber tamper fits perfectly.

    You can get filter baskets from site sponsor coffeeparts http://coffeeparts.com/ran/521994.htm for *Rancilio basket *http://www.coffeeparts.com/mar/521994.htm for a Marzocco one that alot of people swear by however my 58mm tamper wont fit in one at least not the basket I had.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrypeanut link=1153125201/30#44 date=1153468109
    Well the week is over and no word from Damien yet but i found this
    http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=105025&catId=100168&tid=100008 &p=1&title=Manual+and+semi-automatic+espresso+machines

    i am not a member of choice but if someone is can they have a read and let us know the basics of there findings
    I wouldnt put much credence in what they have to say in relation to espresso machines. They tend to judge them by highly important features like the amount of different colours it comes in and the lightness of the portafilter, its too heavy for them otherwise ;D

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    If this is the article that test the EM6900 - its not worth reading.

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    Re: Angrypeanut Needs a New Machine

    Just to continue the Gaggia talk, whilst Im pretty sure my next machine is going to be a prosumer/commercial thingy, as I have stated elsewhere in this forum, Ive had 2 Gaggias over 20 years, first a Baby, now a Classic, and whilst there seems to be some healthy debate over aluminium-is-it-is-it-not, for the price, the Gaggias ability to pull a good espresso is difficult to beat. For milk drinks theyve also been good, provided that you arent catering for many people all at the same time.

    Angrypeanut, I dont think you can go wrong with any of the machines mentioned in this thread IMHO. ;)

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Also at least try to stick to a machine with a 3 way valve so you get sprayed with coffee grounds by releasing the PF too soon after pulling a shot.

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