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    Quote Originally Posted by kaanage link=1101089797/0#7 date=1101279535
    ). couldnt have been more wrong seems awfully strong wording to me.
    My comment wasnt so much about the classics abilities which Im happy with for the moment, but the fact that I didnt even know about the existence of HX and semi-commercial machines. *I thought the next step up was the commercial units used in cafes etc.
    I suspect most people buying high end domestic machines from HN, Myre, DJ etc wouldnt either.

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    Ive seen obviously well to do people carry super autos out of shops. I cant help thinking if they will be happy paying the bill the first time it needs to be service or that they know what a Good espresso tastes like.

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    You said
    "I suspect most people buying high end domestic machines from HN, Myre, DJ etc wouldnt either. "

    Most of these machines are not in the same league as the Diadema, Giotto etc.

    In many cases they are taking pride of place in the bottom cupboard beside the bread maker. The next time they are plugged in, they willl go pop. The boilers etc will be somewhat corroded.

    If you get a quality high end machine you will have it forever and it will never end up cuddling the bread maker.
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    Re: Machines, Budget, Superautos, High-end

    Fresh_Coffee said: Hope this helps someone.

    I do too. What you said is totally correct.

    Perhaps Im naive though. I suspect that there will be a portion of people who will not see this post, who will not see any of our discussions, who will not do the research, and who will walk into an electrical goods retailler and part with the cash. Good on them for being in that position I say, but for us it seems a pity when we know how much better things can be.

    Philosophical comment for the day: In general terms, I think that the proliferation of "espresso" machines into the home market through the department stores/big retail chains has had a positive result on the general awareness of coffee. It may only be small, but it is there. I personally wouldnt have gotten into coffee at all, had my interest not been piqued when I saw "home" machines in Grace Bros and decided to buy a machine for my mothers birthday. Sure, some people will just blindly buy what is on display, there are others though who will start to do some research at home, and look where they can end up - total snobs ;)

    (for the record, I didnt buy one from GBs, got a Mokita Napolitana from Alan Frew).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HV_MAN link=1101336787/0#1 date=1101291075
    My comment wasnt so much about the classics abilities which Im happy with for the moment, but the fact that I didnt even know about the existence of HX and semi-commercial machines. *I thought the next step up was the commercial units used in cafes etc.
    I suspect most people buying high end domestic machines from HN, Myre, DJ etc wouldnt either.
    I still think that it is a misconception that prosumer HX machines MUST be superior to dual purpose boiler domestic machines in all ways. The biggest advantage of the HX machine is for large groups of people where you can make a dozen espressos shots and steam for their lattes and capaccinos in short time.

    In reality, how many of us face this sort of demand during the course of a year? Sure, its a nice snug feeling that you CAN cater for a large group in short order and maybe it makes us feel better on the odd occasion that we do have large numbers over but is it really worth the $$$ over a decent domestic machine?

    OK, HX machines do make it easier to pull a good shot too since you dont have to worry so much about hitting the right point in the brew cycle but that just means you need to take more care when using a domestic machine. Again, we normally dont have people queuing waiting for their coffee so we can afford the luxury of dumping shots that arent up to par (and good cafes will do this occasionally when they find the grind needs changing).

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    This first thing I did wrong when purchasing my espresso machine was not visiting a coffee house/speciallist and doing an indepth search on the internet to discover informative sites like this one etc.

    Luckly Ive kind on landed on my feet deciding on the classic, however if I knew about the Silva I would have purchased it in preference. oh well.

    The info I recieved at the time was limited, no one at any of the main depatement stores new what they where talking about all I got was a sales droid. One day I ran into a Gaggia rep who kindly brought me up to speed on a few basics, eg pressurised pfs, 3ways valve, boiler size etc. after that I rulled out all but the Gaggias as the Saeco & Krups Id been looking at all use those pretend pfs etc.

    I also wasnt looking at spending that much as Id planned trying to keep around the $500 mark which seems to be a mental cut off point for a lot of consumers who arent snobs or geeks etc.

    I think its important to spread the word about cheap ass machines, unfortunately I was to late to inform my parents who purchased a cheap base model sunbeam unit, and wonder why coffee from my Classic tastes much better even though we where using the same coffee ;D

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    I also noticed the other day Saeco is pushing the "dual boiler" phase as a marketing edge for their superautos.

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    HV the Twin boilers from Saeco have been around for a little while, Our first machine the Royal Proffesional has a Twin SS boiler.....

    Granted that a lot of well to do people will buy these machines, they have a place... OUrs gets used every now and then and we have been very lucky with the performance from our machine, in 12 months the count was 3060 coffees, at $2.00 per cup the savings have been very good..... However I think the Semi-commercial machines are the way to go..... But I too was silly when I first got into coffee, Oh if only we could turn back the hands of time.

    FB

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    The reason I mentioned that the R P has SS boilers is because it says so on the brochure, But I might be wrong IRT to my own machine. But with over 3000 cups of brew the Machine has well and truly paid for itsself.... The Lottery Idea... Yeah the damn things cost me and I never get a return...I had a laugh.. I wished I knew where that 23 Million dollar Powerball ticket was as well... Luck sod who has won it doesnt even know about it....

    FB ;D



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