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    Can you recommend a good Combo?

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    Hi all,

    This is my first post after finding this site last night. I am interested in a new machine and grinder. I currently only have a Krups (was a wedding present). So I am looking to upgrade as it, as you would well know, doesnt make the grade. I was planning around 1200 dollar mark all up for them both. I would imagine Silvia is what will be most recommended? Should I be able to produce commercial quality coffee with milk texture with this sort of machine? I am currently exploring barista course options as I am taking this love of coffee very seriously. So any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I am in Sydney so if people acn recommend shops that may have demo machines to view that would also be a good thing.

    Thanks,

    Brett

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    Re: CAN YOU RECOMMEND A GOOD COMBO?

    Hi Brett!

    Firstly, welcome to Coffee Snobs. Youll find most of us are at varying degrees of snobbishness! :D But were basically a pretty friendly bunch with heaps of information! It will be just up to you to sort the wheat from the chaff. ;)

    My recommendation would be check out the site sponsers. They all have great machines and also are filled with heaps of information as well. And Fresh Coffee and 2 muchcoffeeman are the men to speak with! Theyre genuine guys who will do you a genuine deal.

    In regards to a machine combo, of course I would recommend the Silvia/Rocky combo as that is what I own. I also am a professional and use a Brasilia machine at work. I believe I can create just as good coffee at home as at work but that is probably got more to do with it being me, rather than the equipment that I use.

    So, have a read up about the Silvia. It is a very nice machine. I like it sitting on my bench along side the Rocky on their Inox tray! But there are some stories about it that depending on who you are and what you are like, you might get turned off by. I managed to look past the bad points (every set up will have them!) and see the parts I liked.

    Also, just a gentle tip to you. When you use upper case letters on the Intarweb, its kind of like youre yelling at us. And its generally not favoured too much. Just a gentle hint... :)

    Good luck on your search for the perfect cup...

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    To answer your question, yes, you can match commercial quality coffee and milk texture with a silvia, but it is not at all user friendly and takes quite a lot of effort to do so. A lot of this effort is dedicated to overcoming deficiencies specific to the Silvia and of no relevance to commercial HX or dual-boiler machiens. I bought a Silvia to help me to improve my barista skills and found that I would turn up to work and need to make a garbage coffee or two just to get used to a commercial machine again.

    Personally, I think that it is not worth getting a silvia if youre looking at spending near that much. Something like an Expobar Pulser or a Nuova Simonelli Oscar and an Iberital Challenge grinder is what I would be looking at, even though the combo will set you back a few hundred dollars more than you are aiming to spend. Compared with using a silvia, using a decent prosumer HX machine is like shooting fish in a barrel. You will learn a lot more, a lot more quickly because the machine will take care of its factors to a much greater extent, leaving you to focus on the actual coffee.

    The other alternative would be to buy a top-of-the-line home grinder like a mazzer mini or a compak k3 and spend the leftovers on a cheap gaggia. This will give you an equally headache-laden espresso making experience as a combo with a silvia, but leaves you with a grinder that will last a lifetime.

    The people to talk to are this sites sponsors; they are all reliable businesspeople and will promptly address any problems that you might have with whatever machine you end up going with. I dont think that any of them are based in Sydney, but Coffee Hit is an online business, so they are definitely a possibility and Im sure that Chris from Talk Coffee would be able to organise something for you.

    Cheers,

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    Re: CAN YOU RECOMMEND A GOOD COMBO?

    Hi COFFEECHASER

    Im new here too and am also from Sydney.
    I found it difficult to locate a supplier here and ended up talking to Chris from Talk Coffee.

    Ive had my new setup for 1 week now and am very happy with the machine, grinder and interest from Chris in my satisfaction.

    He has made my entry to this world of Coffee Snobs so much easier.

    And as Scoota gal said most here are "basically a pretty friendly bunch with heaps of information".


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    So Thundergod is the setup you settled on in the price range I specified? excuse my ignoranec on this topic I really have only just started exploring possibilities. I can see this all becoming the more confusing as from two opinions thus far they are both different, but both appreciated thanks very much. Thanks Scoota Girl for the friendly ettique tip.

    Brett

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    Re: CAN YOU RECOMMEND A GOOD COMBO?

    i know it may not be popular to mention non sponsor dealers, but a new shop has opened up in bondi junction, di bartoli.
    they have a pretty decent range of machines, and when i went in to check it out, were more than happy to chat. maybe they should become a sponsor?

    they also do beans etc, i think they are the shop front for coffee roasters in botany.

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    Brett,

    Welcome to CS! Surprisingly enough we had the same thing going through Krusty’s mind, going through ours…
    Di Bartoli had just joined CS as a sponsor yesterday!!! You can find the link to our page in the sponsors list on the left side of the home page. Thanks to Krusty for spreading out the rumor.

    We indeed can offer few high quality options for coffee machines within budget; you can even get a Rancilio Combo: Silvia, Rocky Doserless and a Double Draw for under $1300! Training on the equipment is provided free of charge, as well as all bits & pieces complementing the combo, to get you started right away.

    We are just posting an introductory message on the News link to tell members who we are, check it out later on today. Brands sold: Rancilio, Ascaso, Isomac, Bezzera, ECM, Expobar, Mazzer and other welll performing surprises, welcome to pay us a visit. Di Bartoli Team

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    Quote Originally Posted by COFFEECHASER link=1155711704/0#4 date=1155728793
    So Thundergod is the setup you settled on in the price range I specified?
    Brett
    No it wasnt Brett but I know the site sponsors will work within your budget.

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    Re: CAN YOU RECOMMEND A GOOD COMBO?

    maybe i should think other things, and they will magically appear...

    i will get the mazzer, i will get the mazzer....

    to di bartoli, i was the guy who came in the other week who has an expobar brewtus I.
    i will be in over the weekend to pick up some beans, i hope.

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    Well after a month of going through options I finally settled on Expobar Office Semi-auto and Iberital grinder. So come the end of October I will be an even happier man, not that my happiness is based on coffee machines alone. Thanks all for your input and in particular Luca for his words of wisdom along the way. A very friendly community indeed and all site sponsors that I dealt with were very helpful. Thanks to Chris at Talk Coffee in particular for putting together such a great deal and I look forward to receiving my delivery from him.

    Brett

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    Re: Can you recommend a good Combo?

    A my Expobar also came from Chris, does that make our machines cousins or something?

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    They would have to be distant cousins as mine is on back order so some time apart :(. But even though they are long lost they are both finding homes in Sydney. Who knows they may meet at a training day or something? :)

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    Re: Can you recommend a good Combo?

    ::imagines the Brewtus boys playing together...:: :D ;D

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    Anticipation levels are running high at my house. Machine and grinder are arriving between 12 and 2. At least that is the time the courier reckons, when he called to clarify location (the joys of living on a college campus). What a journey it has been and it is nearly here! WOOOOOHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! The filtered water is ready, all accessories are cleaned, glasses on stand-by. Steam tip itching to be put on. And of course milk and fresh roasted coffee. Cant wait for the first drinkable cup, and the experimenting before that.
    I am sure 2mcm will be relieved when it is here as well, after his 6 week nightmare! He has been outstanding through it all and has exceeded his reputation, which i didnt think was possible.

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    Im standing by for a report on the first shot.

    Its 11 minutes to 2 now......................

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    Well Thundergod it came at 1:15 ish and I have been playing with it since than and just had what I thought would be my first drinkable cup and so far disappointed. But that is okay will give me something to do tonight unless I run out of beans. I played around with crappy beans to try to dial in my grinder a little. Which I think was my first mistake although it did help me a little. Than I ran through some Morgans Pony that was fresh and over extracted my "drinkable one" so that is why I am disappointed. Kitchen is a mess ground coffee everywhere. I am stoked with my machines though. I have booked in for a course on Tuesday night so that should help me a lot I am sure.
    I hope I dont run out of fresh beans in the playing process. I will have a play around for a while and tidy it up so it is presentable for a photo.
    Thanks Talk Coffee for all your help. Chris is a great guy.

    Brett

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    Brett, get the popper out and start roasting mate, so you dont run out :-)

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    Well I am in luck, the NSW roasting day is on tomorrow so I should be safe if I take a load of greens down there. Shame I am going to go through The Pony too qucik though. But at least I am at a point of taste testing each one that I make (within reason). If I am twitching at the roasting day and havent had any sleep everyone will know why ;)

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    Re: Can you recommend a good Combo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffeechaser link=1155711704/15#15 date=1162526894
    Well Thundergod it came at 1:15 ish and I have been playing with it since than and just had what I thought would be my first drinkable cup and so far disappointed. But that is okay will give me something to do tonight unless I run out of beans. I played around with crappy beans to try to dial in my grinder a little. Which I think was my first mistake although it did help me a little. Than I ran through some Morgans Pony that was fresh and over extracted my "drinkable one" so that is why I am disappointed. Kitchen is a mess ground coffee everywhere. I am stoked with my machines though. I have booked in for a course on Tuesday night so that should help me a lot I am sure.
    I hope I dont run out of fresh beans in the playing process. I will have a play around for a while and tidy it up so it is presentable for a photo.
    Thanks Talk Coffee for all your help. Chris is a great guy.
    Dont give up- we all have to go throught the same learning process, and its not just newbies!
    I run 2 machines- the ECM single bolier for weekdays and the Bezzera commercial for weekends. Even going from one to the other theres a bit of adjustment- different grind (ECM is one finer, no matter the humidity, temp etc) as well as different height shower screens so doff fills.
    So what Im saying is, even though you have your dream machine, it will be different in some ways to anything youve used before and needs to be approached with an oh, well attitude- which you seem to have.

    All the best

    Brett

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    Thanks for all the encouragement there. I now have drinkable coffee and am happy with what I am producing. Went through more coffee than one would have wanted to but is worth it now. More practice is the order of the day tomorrow. Than from there using my own roasted coffee. A great deal of improvement over the Krups I must say. So does my wife which is a good thing.
    My wife wanted an eternity ring and I wanted a coffee machine. So she has decided to name the Expobar "Eternity" which is starting to stick.
    Your right there Telemaster; plenty of "oh, well" comments have had to happen over the last few days and I am sure there will be more to come.
    So I will see what tomorrow brings with different conditions and how that affects grind adjustment.

    Brett



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