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    Krups

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    Please bear with me, Im new.

    I am thinking of buying a Krups XP4050 - it comes with a bonus Krups grinder for $399.99 at Myer in WA.

    I have not seen many posts that would suggest either way whether it is a good or bad buy - the brand i am referring too!

    I am not looking to spend alot of money - 600 max - im a poor university student :-[

    I can quite can use a coffee machine with ease - and quite well ::) - thats what my customers say!

    My reasoning for the machine is it appears easy to use - the buttons rather then the switches and levers.

    I ask this because i have seen very few reviews on this machine. Any help would be appreciated

    Thanks

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    Re: Krups

    Im only new at this as well, and am still in the hunt for a machine, so you will probably be better off relying on any advice from those more qualified than me to give it, but heres my second crack anyway....

    If i were in your position and had about $600 to spend, i would try and stretch it a bit and get a Sunbeam EM6900 and Sunbeam 0480 (i think thats the code, not quite sure) Grinder.

    Operating on "best prices", ive seen teh EM6900 for $499 (check the For Sale section of this site, and it has a link to where it was available for that price), and you can also find the grinder online for about $150.

    So that puts you at $650, and from various reviews of the EM6900, its going to give you a machine that punches well above its weight.


    However if you intend to upgrade at a later date, you may be better off spending the extra money on a good grinder instead, and just getting a cheaper machine for now. As a better grinder is going to last you a very long time. Something like a Rocky may fit your price range, and then maybe go for a cheaper machine.

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    Re: Krups

    Quote Originally Posted by mystery link=1155884257/0#0 date=1155884257
    Please bear with me, Im new.

    I am thinking of buying a Krups XP4050 - it comes with a bonus Krups grinder for $399.99 at Myer in WA.
    DONT! * Not if my experience with Krups has been anything to go by. Finnicky, multiple problems, plasticky, light weight, *difficult to service, *non standard, very average coffee and the boiler literally disintegrated after 2 1/2 *years nearly electrocuting me in the process. This was their top end model. (apart from those small problems theyre great *:o;)))

    Just wish I did some proper research before *I bought it. I remember the chick in myer telling me they were so good some coffee shops use them as second machines ha! dont believe what they tell you.

    Dont worry about the degeree of difficulty, its much harder to constantly dissasemble a krups ;)
    For a $400 bucks outlay buy a second hand machine *off this site for $250 and a *sunbeam $170 grinder and be miles ahead of the Krups. Gaggias off ebay can be a good deal but the boilers may need replacing down the track depending on your water. In short buy anything (almost) but a krups.
    Youll get the hang of whatever new machine pretty quickly and the learning experience is half the fun.

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    Its simple- you just replace the "u" with an "a" and ypu pretty much have it in a nutshell ;) ;D

    2mcm

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    Re: Krups

    Maybe spend $250 and buy the second hand solis sl-90 off JavaB? Good quality machine :)

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    steer clear of the sunbeam- see the threads in this brewing section
    krups- interesting- unsure if they are capable of making a sweet tasting espresso- not the ones ive sampled
    others may disagree
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    Re: Krups

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1155884257/0#4 date=1155893076
    Maybe spend $250 and buy the second hand solis sl-90 off JavaB? Good quality machine :)
    Cant agree more,

    Looks to be a great buy and at only 18 months old, should have plenty of life left in it yet. With the money saved with this purchase, you could buy yourself a very capable grinder in the Ibertal Challenge from one of our Site Sponsors and still have a little left over for some odds and ends, beans and maybe a popper ;D,

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    Re: Krups

    Thank you

    I have been a little scared of the sunbeam i have read nothing but problems with it - that was my only concern with a sunbeam.

    I want to buy a grinder and coffee machine set - I find with most products that if u have the matching brands they work better - god only knows

    The dilonghis (cant spell) seem a little too professional for me. and the decent ones - expensive. I understand the more pricer u go the more features and more that can be done - not neccessarily better qaulity.

    I have a plunger at home and that works wonders. I would not use the machine alot - coffee is not my source of oxygen!

    thank you for all ur help.

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    Re: Krups

    Not yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystery link=1155884257/0#7 date=1155959680
    The dilonghis (cant spell) seem a little too professional for me. and the decent ones - expensive. I understand the more pricer u go the more features and more that can be done - not neccessarily better qaulity.

    I have a plunger at home and that works wonders. I would not use the machine alot - coffee is not my source of oxygen!
    Rest assured; the DeLonghis arent too proffessional for anyone ;P Id avoid them, too ...

    The whole matching brand thing is all well and good, but I dont see it working out too well for you in the coffee game unless you go the sunbeam route.

    If you have a plunger at home, why not just pick up a sunbeam grinder for that and forget about the whole espresso thing? You can make phenomenal plunger coffee with freshly ground and freshly roasted coffee with a billionth of the hassle that you have to go through to get anything out of an espresso machine, especially the sub-$1.5k ones.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1155884257/0#9 date=1156026648

    Rest assured; the DeLonghis arent too proffessional for anyone ;P Id avoid them, too ...

    The whole matching brand thing is all well and good, but I dont see it working out too well for you in the coffee game unless you go the sunbeam route.
    DeLonghis certainly arent very good!

    Matching brands might be a good idea with el-cheepo combos.... but all you will get is a fair coffee at best!

    To get quality coffee.... in order of importance you need:

    Barista Skills (can be aquired with practise or a course)
    Good freshly roasted beans
    A good grinder
    A coffee machine....

    And yes, the coffee machine is less important than the rest ;)

    There are only a few top end manufacturers (like La Cimbali) who make both quality grinders and coffee machines. The manufacturing skills required are different in both units!

    If you buy an el cheapo combo you will end up with a low quality grinder which wont be adequate down the track.....

    So, as was suggested, buy a quality grinder (like the the Ibertal Challengeor a Rocky ), fresh beans and stick with your plunger... 8-)

    As an example, I also have a Solis Maestro grinder (AKA Delongi KG100) - this is sold as a match for the Solis SL90 which Im selling..... It is an "adequate" grinder for the Solis if you use pressurised baskets but wont grind fine enough to make quality espresso with normal baskets- plus there is a lot of fine particles in the grinds.... It is now relegated to grinding for plunger coffee - which it does very well :)

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    Re: Krups

    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1155884257/0#10 date=1156030147
    Barista Skills (can be aquired with practise or a course (and then more practice :P))
    Good freshly roasted beans
    A good grinder
    A coffee machine....
    Mal.

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    Re: Krups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1155884257/0#11 date=1156048356
    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1155884257/0#10 date=1156030147
    Barista Skills (can be aquired with practise or a course (and then more practice :P))
    Good freshly roasted beans
    A good grinder
    A coffee machine....
    Mal.
    Good stuff guys- great to hear. Im beginning to think espresso machines are like the male jewellery of the 70s- the Nikon or Canon camera around the neck- with a matching labelled strap for every occasion.
    Like the espresso machine, rarely, or rarely well used.
    Says the man with two machines!
    Having said that, one that actually does what it should isnt such a bad idea!
    Brett

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    I highly recommend camping out the for sale section of the site and seeing if you can pick up a decent second hand machine and then spending the rest on a coffee making course and decent grinder.

    My new mantra/recommendation to people is that a couple of hundred spent on training (combined with some practise and more practise) will often produce a better end result than spending it on the machine.

    As others have said, I would say the hell away from Krups and DeLonghi as their machines might have nice pretty designs but functionally and build quality wise they fall below par.

    As for the Sunbeam espresso machines, although they seem to represent excellent value on the surface and can make some pretty decent coffee, Im hearing horror story after horror story about problems and build quality issues. I would steer clear -- though their latest grinder seems pretty solid and good bang/buck.

    cheers
    Lachlan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachlan link=1155884257/0#13 date=1156119164
    My new mantra/recommendation to people is that a couple of hundred spent on training (combined with some practise and more practise) will often produce a better end result than spending it on the machine.
    Yes, that is very good advice :)

    I would also advise people NOT to buy a coffee machine from a large retail / discount store which sells everything from washing machines through TVs to kitchen appliences...

    The sales people in these shops know very little - often nothing about the items they are selling.... they are more often motivated by the current promotion (higher profit margin) than the actual virtues of the product....

    And when something goes wrong- dont expect them to understand let alone help.... Their response is generally "call the manufacturer" - and one of the saving graces of Sunbeam is they are providing excellent after sales support to these people (and they need to unfortunately) ::)

    If you want to produce quality coffee- go to a specialist dealer (like the site sponsors)... they will provide knowledgeable advice before you purchase and support the product after purchase.... They know the products they sell and they know about making coffee..... Department store sales people may know where to buy a good coffee (if you are lucky!)

    My second crack worth ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1155884257/0#10 date=1156030147
    There are only a few top end manufacturers (like La Cimbali) who make both quality grinders and coffee machines. The manufacturing skills required are different in both units!
    Good point. Id add that many espresso machine manufacturers sell grinders under their label, but they are actually manufactured by other companies and rebadged ... so its not like they have been designed from the ground up to match their machines.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Krups... yeah I agree with 2mchcoffeeman (Kr...a...ps)...

    A friend of mine has a Gaggia Classic... they have to be modified a little but are good value at your price bracket.... they have come down in price a lot, I think domayne were selling them for under $500 on sale. They use to be a lot more but saeco bought them out and the price of them has been dropping quickly since.

    Then get a sunbeam grinder and you are making coffee!

    Budget gear that will stand up and get results for your $$$.

    I probably wouldnt look at much else unless you can get a 2nd hand siliva.



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