is any water in the drip tray?
Hi everybody, I have finally purchased a silvia & I have what may or may not be a stupid question. After using the machine I empty the drip tray but there always seem to be water or espresso run off under the tray & then under the machine. I have checked the drip tray & it is not leaking. Can anybody help me here I am sick of the mess over the benchtop????
is any water in the drip tray?
there is still water in the drip tray, its not not a huge ammount under the tray but enough to be a mess
Are you refilling the water to the very top?
I did that a couple of times when I first got mine and it overflows due to the top of the container having a cutout in the left side. Check that, I bet that is the cause ;)
check to see how fill you are fill the water tank also see if both the pump intake and the return clear silicon hoses are both in the water tank.
if all looks ok take your Silvia back to where you got it from there is the occasional one that doesnt perform as well as expected. Kinda like a Rolls Royce not all perform to optimum efficiency ;)
No I am not over filling the water tank as I fill it up to about 20mm below the cut out.
Yes both hoses are submerged in the water.
I am also a newbie Silvia owner, like, since yesterday. Two questions while I wait for Mocopan to get back to me. Firstly, the two hoses in the water tank, one reaches the bottom, the other is about four inches shorter and does not. Does this matter, that is, is it an over flow/ return, or should it also touch the bottom?
The second question is my coffee pucks arent pucks as such, more like a slurry, wet, no form. Recommended grind was set at the factory. Do I turn on the coffee switch on and leave it until no more water comes out, or do I stop when there is enough fluid in the cup?
Youve answered your own question with the hose, it will be fine. You should always leave the water topped up at the end of each day anyway. From memory its a just a water return hose.
Couple of ideas re; your wet puck. Are you using the crappy plastic tamper that come with the machine? If so get yourself a reasonable (58mm) metal one. When tamping apply roughly 30lbs of pressure.
The factory setting on your grinder is most likely not going to be constantly right given the type/age and humidity of your beans.
Adjust your grind so that you get a 25 sec pour from the double basket and 60mls of coffee. DO NOT keep the brew switch constantly running after this. When youve got your 60ml @ 25sec stop the pour!
Keep all of your variables consistent. Grind to your basket, level off with a flat edge and tamp to the above-mentioned 30lbs.
Most importantly make sure you are using fresh beans. :P Preferably home roasted. This will be more or less hedging all of your bets then.
If you go to the Whole Latte Love website theres some short videos on the use of a Silva as well. Not overly detailed but helpful to a newbie;
Hope this helps -
Dont worry about the hoses. The one with the notched or angled end is the supply to the pump. As long as it reaches the bottom of the water container it is fine.
Sloppy pucks (really just slop) point to a grind that is too fine and probably not enough coffee in the basket.
You do not mention if you have a grinder, so I will assume you do. If you dont, better buy a good one now because that is a key element in getting good results with the Silvia. Rocky is a good friend to get for Silvia if she is not attached to someone else.
Next thing is the basket. The Rancilio single is a complete waste of time. Only use the double and then work out how you manage the extra coffee it produces.
Next is the scoop. If you are using the scoop that came with the machine and put just 2 level measures in the basket you will be underfilling it. The idea is to completely fill it (i.e. overfill it), tap it lightly on the bench and then scrape it off level with the top of the basket. Then you tamp it lightly (all you are trying to do is even out the surface rather than compressing it back into a solid mass) and put it in the machine. When you have this nailed the variables are coffee freshness and grind. Assuming the coffee is fresh (no older than 1 or 2 weeks max after roasting) you adjust the grind to get the flow right. You are looking for 60ml in 25 seconds. When you get this right you will almost certainly find you have a solid puck that is reasonably dry. It will also have a clear impression of the shower screen screw in the top of it.
FC, sounds like a complex solution. You would have to hope you were not desperate for a hit while all this was going on.Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1099296647/0#9 date=1101174368
In saying not to use the single basket I am referring specifically to the Rancilio single that comes with the machine. The issue is to do with crema production and is related to the basket design. Other single baskets are apparently much less of a concern. In my case I leave both Rancilio baskets in the cupboard and use the slightly larger and superior La Marzocca double.If you employ this "volumetric" method of dosing there is no reason why you should not use the single filter. It doesnt matter what size filters you use, the dose is volumetric up to a certain height in the filter for a certain make and model of machine.
I ordered a slightly larger (8gr vs 7gr) single basket from moccopan which has improved shot quality. Still not as good as the double but a definite improvement over the original.Originally Posted by gwdcoffee link=1099296647/0#10 date=1101185788
Both single baskets seems to be much fussier with dose level and tamping and generally are harder to use.
Hi there ::)
In my opinion single filter baskets are a waste of time and should only be used to rest your tamper in.
I always use a double basket for each shot. If drinking it black I use the first 20 or so ml. For my piccolo latte, again the first 20 ml. Then for any regular milk based drinks the first 30 or so ml from the double basket. From continual sampling and experimentation, I have found this to offer not only the best extraction but to also yield the "most flavoursome" extraction.
I often change my basket sizes to suit the blend of coffee I am using at the time. In my regular blend I pack about 16-17 grams. However, in a blend recently sent to me to try, I found that I needed to use 18-19 grams to achieve optimum flavour.
I have played with the so called tripple basket but gave up. Could not get any real benefit from its use. ;D
Generally speaking, when switching between a single and double basket you might need to adjust the grind to compensate for the differences in the ground coffee volume.
Wow, what a response, thanks for the info/tips. Ive had a longer experimentation with the Silvia/Rocky doserless this afternoon. I definitely was not putting enough coffee in the filter. A 20-25 second run pumps out about 250ml without the filter fitted. Fitted and packed (double filter, grinder Rocky at 20 with Mocopan special blend) 20 seconds gave me 180 -200 ml. Then I changed the grind to 10 with out much difference. Pucks are still wet on top but they are firmer to tap out. I guess Ill keep at.
Thanks again FC, the words of wisdom are appreciated. I was doing the grinder adjustments with the beans in, so Ill stop that. And I NOW recognise the oily balls of ground coffee. Ill start from scratch this afternoon. Thanks again.
You said "20 seconds gave me 180 -200 ml. " Do you mean you ran 180-200 ml of water through your packed filter basket???
"And look, for my own private enjoyment I always use the deep double (18 grams nominal), drink one and turf the other of the two resulting espressos. "
Suggest you try using the 30 or so ml from both baskets.
You will get the guts of the 18 or so grams into one cup. Either straight or topped with the cow, I think it is the best way of enjoying the espresso.
My 18 grams worth.
Yep, my previous packs did not have enough coffee in them. I was under packing. I would run the water through for 20-25 seconds and get nearly a full cup, about 180-200 ml. Since adjusting the pack as per FreshCoffees advice, today I got closer to 60ml. Rich black juice, and maybe 3-5mm of a creamy layer. Got really excited, but couldnt reproduce it. Pucks are much better, as in firmer, but still "wet" on top. Have taken to pack and test for imprint then pour.
I assume for two cups, one each side, I only want about 30ml in each?
Another thing to consider is the freshness of the roasted coffee.
Not sure what coffee you are using.
If you are not roasting yourself then be wary of beans with a use by date????
Better coffees put a roast or pack date on the bags. Then you have a couple of weeks to use it.
If the coffee used is stale you will get similar result to a coarse grind.
Aim for 25-30 ml in 25-30 seconds. If it takes a bit longer do not worry. If it takes longer, check the filter basket after removing the puck. If it has an oily stain then your have over extracted.
You are better to have a slightly coarser grind than a grind that is tooooo fine.
However, remember the 25-30 rule is ONLY, I REPEAT ONLY A GUIDE. Shock, horror, many might say, but I have had 40-50 second extractions and thoroughly every ml of the heavenly thick brew. Absolutley no burnt aroma or taste.
Sorry have to get back to my Pinot from Bellarine Penninsular.
Not sure if this is still a problem for you or not, but just wondering if you have the lid on the reservior the right way round? You get lots of condensation happening under there and if you dont have the cut out bit under the lid in the right position the water tends to drip down the hoses and back into the the machine.
Hope this helps
I took my machine back to Moccopan here in Sydney last week & the problem was discovered. The drip tray was under size by about 3 to 4mm, the technician there was very surprised as he had not seen it before. He changed the drip tray for a new one & no more water mess. I have to say that the people there were great, apart from fixing my problem he ran through other helpful ideas & tips on the machine with me for about an hour.
So now I am happy & as of yesterday I have been able to open & try my rocky grinder (doserless) it was a present & sat in the box at home for a month.
Thanks everybody for their advice, Ricster
Hello Ricster,Originally Posted by ricster link=1099296647/15#19 date=1102026063
I realise you wrote this a while ago, but..
I just bought mine. *I bought it from a local shop, hoping that I can go there with any future question/problem. *Now I am starting to think the guy is not that knowledgeable, from some of the things hes said. *So, I wonder, did you buy your from Moccopan? *I believe they do the servicing for all Rancilios, (I actually could have gotten a better price from them *:() so I just wondered if I would be better off dealing directly with them, should I have a problem? I just wondered if they would be that helpful if I didnt buy from them?