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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn link=1109515596/90#99 date=1121137970
    Monti:

    Yes, it must come from the thermoblock. *1100W?

    It must take a while to heat up though?

    Grant
    When I turn it on, the machine tells me it is ready in just 1 minute. There is all the steam youd want straight away. To get the portafilter very hot, youd have to wait a bit more, or else you can just let some water throught it, I guess, to speed up the process.

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    Monti:

    The Silvia can be ready to steam in six minutes.

    The espresso you can do in that time too if you really want to by passing water through the portafilter to help it heat.

    I would suspect though that the temperature stability would be poor though at the six minute mark so I rarely do that unless I am desparate for my caffeine fix.

    The real warm up time is the time that the portafilter is too hot to touch or at maximum temperature. This would happen on the Silvia (I havent really timed it), I would guess at about the 20 - 30 minute mark.

    I would think it would be somewhat less on the Sunbeam as my machine would have to heat the water and brass boiler before the group started to warm. It would still be significant though. I would guess at least 10 to 15 minutes.

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    I just tried, and it seems that it takes about 15-20-ish minutes to get it very hot to touch on the outside without running hot water through it. *

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    All this talk about this machine has got me starting to convince myself that I need a holiday machine to take with me to weekend getaways. *I simply cant bring myself to pay $3 for coffees when I could be having them for much less and better were I to make my own.

    Now how much is this machine going in shops? *How portable is this? *Just starting to regret I sold off my Gaggia Classic.

    15-20 mins for a machine to warm up fully, is normal is it not? I used to allow my Gaggia Classic to warm up for 15 mins, it makes a whole lot of difference to the shot.

    My La Valentina takes 30 mins to warm up fully ...

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    It costs $599.95.
    It is too big and heavy to take it anywhere, I reckon. I know I wouldnt.

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    The way I see it is that this machine is living up to a lot of its promise. I have a mate who is thinking about upgrading and this machine is probably firmly in his sights. Either that or a HX machine, as hes tired of spending hours behind his single boiler machine making coffees while everyone else is out eating and chatting and waiting for the coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monti link=1109515596/90#102 date=1121139923
    I just tried, and it seems that it takes about 15-20-ish minutes to get it very hot to touch on the outside without running hot water through it.
    Hmmm,

    Thats not too bad. My Mokita has the same Boiler as a Silvia but a smaller Group and PF.... it still takes a good hour to become thermally stable though, i.e. the element on/off cycle to become consistent (still Temp Surfing until I can get a new SSR for the PID :( ). This time would most likely shorten with the PID back in operation, so will have to check it out once its working again.

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    wow, I go away for 10 days, and this place has erupted!!!

    Monti, its good to see that SB have finally got this machine out. When I started looking at upgrading, I was looking at this machine and I was told that it would be out in the first week of december, last year by the SB reps.

    Ive just scored myself a little SB ristretto the one with a little boiler) for $70 - floor stock, no box etc etc, to replace my leaky SB cafe crema. Im working them together now, so I can brew shots with the ristretto and simultaneously steam milk with the crema ... wow, Im confusing myself now...who comes up with all these espresso machine names anyway?

    I guess the big underlying question is: can TBs handle the pressure? Can they really come out and play with the big boys? I dunno yet, but I reckon theres potential.

    One thing i have noticed: thermoblocks are idiot proof. You put your coffee into the basket, insert it into the machine, press go and theres your coffee. Getting the little boiler SB going was confusing (the manual wasnt the best), I filled the reservoir with water, turned it on, and like the manual said, I flipped the brew switch - nothing came out (duh, the boiler had to fill). Now if i wasnt a coffeegeek/snob, then at this point, I reckon I would think that my machines either busted, or its too hard to figure out how it works.

    Like I said, TBs are easier to operate for dummies like me. Fill the reservoir, turn it on, flick the brew switch and hot water comes out. For dummies, this is perfect. (Monti, Im nothaving a dig at you, Im actually having a dig at myself!) For geeks/snobs (what do we call ourselves?) we soon see that often, TBs arent consistent enough ... blah blah, weve said it all before.

    My point is, TBs are perfect for the average consumer who wants an expresso machine at home (yeah, I meant to type expresso). Can they perform as well as (even outperfrom???) a silvia/gaggia/hx?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyj link=1109515596/105#107 date=1121244501
    Monti, its good to see that SB have finally got this machine out. When I started looking at upgrading, I was looking at this machine and I was told that it would be out in the first week of december, last year by the SB reps.
    I also have been waiting for this one since December. *I am glad I wasnt the only one suffereing. I had a laugh

    Ive just scored myself a little SB ristretto the one with a little boiler) for $70 - floor stock, no box etc etc, to replace my leaky SB cafe crema. Im working them together now, so I can brew shots with the ristretto and simultaneously steam milk with the crema ... wow, Im confusing myself now...who comes up with all these espresso machine names anyway?
    I am not familiar of the one with the boiler. Have you a picture of one?

    I guess the big underlying question is: can TBs handle the pressure? Can they really come out and play with the big boys? I dunno yet, but I reckon theres potential.
    I reckon it can. *But dont take my word for it. *Find one and try it. *

    One thing i have noticed: thermoblocks are idiot proof. You put your coffee into the basket, insert it into the machine, press go and theres your coffee. Getting the little boiler SB going was confusing (the manual wasnt the best), I filled the reservoir with water, turned it on, and like the manual said, I flipped the brew switch - nothing came out (duh, the boiler had to fill). Now if i wasnt a coffeegeek/snob, then at this point, I reckon I would think that my machines either busted, or its too hard to figure out how it works.

    Like I said, TBs are easier to operate for dummies like me. Fill the reservoir, turn it on, flick the brew switch and hot water comes out. For dummies, this is perfect. (Monti, Im nothaving a dig at you, Im actually having a dig at myself!) For geeks/snobs (what do we call ourselves?) we soon see that often, TBs arent consistent enough ... blah blah, weve said it all before.
    Geez, you are a funny one. *How refreshing! *

    My point is, TBs are perfect for the average consumer who wants an expresso machine at home (yeah, I meant to type expresso). Can they perform as well as (even outperfrom???) a silvia/gaggia/hx?
    I reckon the new Sunbeam EM6900 can. *I hope you get to try it. *I cannot wait for you to let me know what you think. *But forget what you think of TB machines and just keep an open mind as this one is very different to all the others before it, I reckon. *It is a nice surprise. * :D

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    So when are you gonna come clean Monti??...admit it...youre Paul Bassett! :o :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1109515596/105#109 date=1121248993
    So when are you gonna come clean Monti??...admit it...youre Paul Bassett! *:o :P
    giggled like a schoolgirl

    Dont insult me! *I am much better looking then he is! *I had a laugh

    I wish, I had his paycheck, though. :-[

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    Monti - I made my mind up a few months back to buy an expobar. Needs, wants and all that, and I was sick of waiting for sunbeam.

    I would still love to try one, and I do hoipe to one day, but I doubt that I will buy one because of financial restraints etc etc...

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    I dont blame you for not being able to wait any longer. Besides, the Expopar seems an excellent machine even if it looks a little different but nice IMO. *I had a laugh *You have to admit, no one will walk past it without having a second look. *

    Have you got the Expobar Leaver, full futomatic, or the semi-automatic?




    Oh, there is no need to buy another machine, of course. *You might just have to talk someone you know into buying one just so that you can try it. *;D

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    Ill be getting the semi-auto once I get my tax-return. Originally I was going for the lever machine, but it breaks budget, which threatens to break marriage ... and thinking about it, its probably a bit too much bling for me.

    As far as I can tell, the semi auto is incredibly similar - it still has an e-61 group, still a big boiler with HX, its very similar to the expobar commercial machines, and Im getting it cheap ... like $200 under budget, which is a marriage enhancer!

    ps: all the photos make them look ugly - theyre like one of my groomsmen - attractive, but not very photogenic (he had funny expressions in nearly every photo, and his eyes closed most of the time, even though there were a lot of young ladies giving him the glad eye!). Expobars are quite nice looking in the flesh - beefy and simplistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyj link=1109515596/105#113 date=1121399891
    Ill be getting the semi-auto once I get my tax-return. Originally I was going for the lever machine, but it breaks budget, which threatens to break marriage ... and thinking about it, its probably a bit too much bling for me.
    I had a laugh.
    Marriage is more important than coffee? ::)
    Waiting for your tax return to buy one? Just mortgage your house a bit more. It has to be worth it.
    Too much bling? Is there such a thing? :D

    $200 off is an excellent deal. Wow!
    I wish I got that deal on the Sunbeam. Could have cost me only $400. ;D

    ps: all the photos make them look ugly - theyre like one of my groomsmen - attractive, but not very photogenic (he had funny expressions in nearly every photo, and his eyes closed most of the time, even though there were a lot of young ladies giving him the glad eye!). Expobars are quite nice looking in the flesh - beefy and simplistic.
    I had a laugh

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    mortgage the house ... ha, i wish!

    Im a renter, I work for a church and my wife is a nurse ... way low income, but way high job satisfaction!

    As for the is there such thing as too much bling? thing ... for me there is! That may sound funny, but Im not the gold/silver chain type - Im more the type to wear jewelery made from coconut shells, from little islands in fiji ... simplistic suits me fine!

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    Hi Everyone,

    Finally taken the plunge and purchased my first espresso machine! The Sunbeam Em6900. I was at the Myers city store today in Brisbane and they are having a two day sale including 10% electrical appliances including the Sunbeam which arrived only today - so 10% off $599.

    Ive been looking to purchase a machine for over a year now and originally was thinking of a Silvia and Rocky Grinder but decided to save up for an entry level hx machine and mazza mini (>$1800 such as ECM etc..) but as my funds need to be used elsewhere I decided that since I might not be able to put the effort to get a decent espresso from the Silvia, it was either the Gaggia Classic (which I have used before) or the Sunbeam. For the price and features the Sunbeam is ahead and as Alans reply at coffeegeeks indicates may be no worst then the Classic. So here it is.

    First impressions?
    Wow, looks stylist, and heavy - considering I couldnt carry it home I took a taxi home (I live in the city) but by the time I got to the taxi rank my arms were quite sore.

    As suggested by the manual on first use - run water through it first so I did and do note it is quite loud but something I can live with.

    Was deciding to wait until I picked up a grinder (Rocky doserless) and some beans tomorrow before using it but couldnt resist. All I have is some grounded aromas coffee for plunger so what the heck! Since the grind is quite coarse I thought I might tamp it with lots more pressure but unfortunately after 3 attempts the coffee is flowing through too quickly so it is underextracted and quite sour. So in the mean time I will have to settle for some Chai tea and have some frothy milk!

    At this stage it looks like a great machine and will reserve my judgement until I get a grinder and some fresh beans.

    I do have some a question Monti which I am hoping you can answer:

    1.
    The hot water funtion is the hot water suppose to trickle through and make a clicking noise as it tries to pump the water out or should it be a continous flow?

    2.
    When tamping should the filter basket be fixed or is it alright for it to spin around as you tamp?

    Cheers,

    Ray.

    btw. I noticed Myers is selling the Gaggia MDF for $299 + 10% off until tomorrow.

    [modified: proof read too quickly to notice typos.]

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    Well the next thing you NEED to do is send Andy a PM and order a newbie pack of green beans, by a popcorn maker and Roast your own coffee :)

    The difference will be huge, its easy and almost everyone here wouldnt go back!

    Congrats on your new machine, I think Monti will appreciate another Em6900 user ;)

    If you have any questions I am sure someone will be glad to help!

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    Thanks clarexican,

    Scary thing is I already have a popcorn maker...might settle for a while and hope that upgradeitis doesnt hit too soon to roasting my own beans or selling and upgrading machines.

    I have much to learn but hopefully off to a good start with the basics when I attend a 4 hour barista course earlier in the year. I am always dubious about buying version 1.0 of something but if anything bad coffee will most likely be the result of the operator - me :)

    Quote Originally Posted by clarexican link=1109515596/105#117 date=1121429745
    Well the next thing you NEED to do is send Andy a PM and order a newbie pack of green beans, by a popcorn maker and Roast your own coffee :)

    The difference will be huge, its easy and almost everyone here wouldnt go back!

    Congrats on your new machine, I think Monti will appreciate another Em6900 user ;)

    If you have any questions I am sure someone will be glad to help!

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    Well if you have a popcorn maker your halfway to roasting your own beans! If you have a soup can your even closer ;)

    It is so worth it! It is easy and you wont go back... oh and did I mention how cheap it is?

    Check out the home roasting folder from the main page.


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    Hi gst28,

    Likewise... welcome to CoffeeSnobs and congrats on the new SB EM6900. Monti will be pleased ;D.

    Re the grinder... the old maxim is that you should always buy the best grinder you can afford. Id go for the Rocky over a Gaggia MDF and if you have more or less decided to go with the Rocky, you wont regret it.

    Home roasting is dead easy and really worth trying for all the reasons that Clarexican listed. You will never be sorry that you gave it a go. In the mean time, happy brewing gst28 and all the best,

    Cheers,
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    Congrats on your new machine. Home roasting is easier and more fun than you will realise, and well worth all the effort.

    I have a Cunill Tranquiluo doserless grinder, and have not had any issues with it aside from the high static in the chamber. I got mine for about $330+ ... so thats another one for you to consider.

    Get the best grinder that you can afford, they will last a long time with home use volumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gst28 link=1109515596/105#116 date=1121429281
    Hi Everyone,
    As suggested by the manual on first use - run water through it first so I did and do note it is quite loud but something I can live with.
    It is only that loud when you only flush water through it and there is no back pressure. It is much more quiet when you are actually making coffee. I got worried the first time I flushed water through it too. I had a laugh

    I am about to get a Lux grinder myself.

    I do have some a question Monti which I am hoping you can answer:

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    The hot water funtion is the hot water suppose to trickle through and make a clicking noise as it tries to pump the water out or should it be a continous flow?

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    When tamping should the filter basket be fixed or is it alright for it to spin around as you tamp?
    1.
    I havent really used the hot water function other then I opened it once to make sure that it works. Mine doesnt trickle but rather shoots out. It does pulsate, though.

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    Mine is fixed and doesnt spin around as I stamp.

    As it has a commercial design pf it has a the spring inside that holds the basked in there. You might just have to bend the spring so that it makes a tighter fit with the basket. I have no such problem, though.

    As I have no grinder at home yet, I get our coffee from our shop where it gets ground for our commercial espresso machine there. The same grind seems to work very well with the Sunbeam too. I would prefer to grind the coffee at home, of course, as by the time we get the ground coffee home at the end of the day it is a bit stale and it is even worse the next day. So, a doserless grinder that grinds only on demand straight into my pf is the best option for me.

    I love the machine and if the grind is right I can make the same coffee at home as at the shop on the commercial machine. Some in our family actually prefer the one that Sunbeam makes than the one the commercial machine makes. Go figure. 8)

    I wish I got the 10% off like you did, though. :)

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Alan Frew has just posted some more info on his teaser og the CG forum. It includes pics of the insides of the machine and a few observations.

    Wow! Talk about value. The internals are tightly packed with real copper pipes and brass fittings. One very neat looking machine. Alan intends to write the full review in his August newsletter,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1109515596/120#123 date=1122000229
    Alan Frew has just posted some more info on his teaser og the CG forum. <snip>
    heres the link: http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/esp.../157828#157828

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    Hi Guys,

    Its been a week of playing with my new toy now I thought it time to report back :)

    The next day (on the Saturday) I purchased an grinder - welcome the little Rocky (doserless)! Very happy with the purchase :) plus 500g of coffee beans. Need-less to say I put quite a few beans through the grinder and machine in attempt to get the right grind for some decent crema and the recommended 25-30 sec extraction. At first I was grinding too coarse and tamping too light - 12-18sec pour. I tried tamping harder but wasnt been consistent enough. I then went finer and managed to choke the machine so backed off a setting or two. I am finding a finer grind and a medium tamp works best for me I get an 25-28 second pour with nice crema. Only got the golden redish/brown crema once or twice. I mainly have long blacks whereas others in my household enjoy the capas (initially flat whites as my milk frothing technique wasnt too good). Having got some different beans last night I am finding it easier with getting the right grind and more consistent with my tamping so overall the coffee making is improving. Looking forward to more experimenting and trying different beans!

    Having got over the new toy syndrome there are some things that I annoy me with the machine:
    1. the water/steam fllowing from the inside the machine into the drip tray doesnt work particularly well - water flows underneath the tray and can overflow onto the bench :( Annoying as it is I just add cleaning underneath the drip tray as part of my cleaning routine.

    2. when using the hot water function best to have the portafilter attached as water drips everywhere from the group head as well as under the drip tray. I have decided when making a long black just boil some water instead.

    My question to myself why did I take so long to purchase a machine and grinder ::)

    Looking to Alan Frews wartsnall review next month regarding the EM6900 and picking up some tips to improve my coffee making with this machine.


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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Well, Alan Frews review is out....seems there are quite a few problems, and some design faults but overall, its acceptable... http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeam.html for those whod like to have a look....


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    Interesting, it sounds like the machine has some real potential if they can work out the bugs he lists.

    Java "Almost ready to eat again!" phile

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    There are enough problems that if you can wait for the problems to be fixed, then I would wait.

    The unit overall is pretty good and the temperature drops are quite acceptable over a shot.

    It is an appliance though ie. not made to be rebuilt or serviced by the home handyman. If you are buying one then it is a five year investment or the length of the extended warranty. If you are lucky you could get ten years though and who could complain about that?

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    cracks me up that people pick little probs with this machine. i have just bought an ECM giotto and thats been around for how long ? still plenty of niggly issues that ECM could have sorted out by now but still exist on the machine and this is a machine thats around the $2.5K mark. im sure the 9600 cops a fair bit of flack cos its a sunbeam.

    i tried it out over the weekend. seemed like a great machine and outstanding value. seems well built enuf and the chick doing the demos would have made, i dunno, maybe 20 coffees one after the other. held up fine.

    at the end of the day it wasnt for me, but im sure sunbeam owners would be happy as a pig in sh*t with it.

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    Mmm. They were quite serious problems. ie. ones that happened to a number of owners that required repair or replacement of the unit.

    The steaming on them Alan reckoned was not as good as a small boiler machine.

    Overall, I would recommend a Silvia any day over one of these but then these are more automated and featured and will appeal to some people.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Seems like a good little machine to me.

    Ive been thinking recently that an ideal small machine might be something like a silvia, but with a thermoblock for steaming. That way youd have the temperature stability that a decent sized boiler gives you, then you could draw water from the boiler, through a thermoblock, for steaming. It wouldnt steam like a train, but frankly Id be willing to accept the compromise for not having to wait for the boiler to heat up to steam temperatures. Also since you would be drawing preheated water into the steam thermoblock from the boiler, its job wouldnt be all that hard.

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    It seems like quite a good machine to me, with many of the problems being user correctable. So it doesnt steam as well as a Silvia. It still does an acceptable job with the functionality/useability of a HX machine. The one irritation is the non-standard PF design. Still it takes standard 58 mm baskets, so its not all bad.

    As Alan Frew said, it looks to be a category killer. Just a few teething problems at present. The real problem for Sunbeam will be educating people to effectively use the machine. Although, it could work out in our favour when these machines start popping up on ebay because they "cant make good coffee". ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1109515596/120#132 date=1123470665
    The real problem for Sunbeam will be educating people to effectively use the machine. Although, it could work out in our favour when these machines start popping up on ebay because they "cant make good coffee". ;D
    To say nothing about what the "Choice" denizens will come back with? Id be surprised if they would have anything positive to say about the machine given their past commentary record... its bound to be too heavy for a start ;)

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    Ill read the article as soon as I have the time. *:(

    I still have not one problem with my Sunbeam EM6900. * :) *Steams excellent and plenty powerful as it makes excellent microfoam in no time at all. *Not having to wait till the espresso is extracted makes the time taken even less. *It warms up very fast. *No pre-flushing or anything to do at all. Just press the buton and presto. *With five years of warranty I dont have to worry for ages. *Everyone in my family and friends that have tried coffee from this machine seem to prefer it to the one that comes out of our commercial machine. * :o *I dont know why. * ::) *Maybe it is easier to make a better shot with it. *Also, now with the CosmoreX coffee I got from Attilio and the Lux grinder, we are sincerely enjoying our coffees. * 8-)

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    Hi Monti,

    Actually, what I was saying about "Choice" was "tongue in cheek". I dont think they have the slightest idea about how to properly test espresso machines and wouldnt know a good one from a bad one no matter what they did. :-?

    From Alans review and his summing up, I would say that you have got yourself a pretty fine espresso machine there and dont worry about any jibes that may appear from time to time. Just sit back and enjoy great espresso, the way you have been describing ;D .

    All the best,
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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    With regard to the education of the users. I had a very early Sunbeam thermoblock (Club Cappuccino 120) that didnt use a pressureized portafilter. I was making quite acceptable cappas with this machine for about 3 years. That means better than I found in most coffeeshops. Eventually I upgraded and gave this machine to the neighbours (who had tasted the coffee from this machine). One day I went over and checked on the machine. Using their own coffee, I was unable to get a shotthat lasted more than 8 seconds (for 60 ml). The husband told me that his wife always makes the coffee like that and that it tastes so bad that he has given up drinking it and only comes over to my house to have coffee... Maybe thats why the pressureised PF was introduced.

    Cheers,

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    I had a laugh

    That is funny, Sparky! ;D

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    I just remembered, that someone here on the forum has my Sunbeam EM6900 machine and had a problem with coffee going under the drip tray through a pressure overflow. Also, Alan Frew has mentioned the same thing. I had that problem at the begining but then I adjusted the adjustable front legs lower and now have no such problem anymore.
    Hope it helps.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Alan Frew has done a write up on this machine:

    http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeam.html

    Couple of key points from my perspective: non standard portafilter, supplied baskets are too big, not a tweakers machine.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wired link=1109515596/135#139 date=1123713172
    Alan Frew has done a write up on this machine:

    http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeam.html

    Couple of key points from my perspective: non standard portafilter, supplied baskets are too big, not a tweakers machine.

    Cheers
    Why do you need a universal portafilter? It is commercial size anyway and it weighs more then the Sylvia one. The Sylvia pf is not standard either. It is not like you are ever going to exchange portafilters on your machines. Or is that what some like doing? Itll last longer then the machine itself.

    You can get baskets of the size youd like as Alan has done himself. So, no problems there.

    As Alan said, the temps are pretty good so no tweeking is needed really. Most will get more consistent shots out of this then out of something that you need to tweek, and flash, and whatnot as the only variables you have to control are your grinding, dosing and tamping,
    So, this weekness can be a strength for most.

    Cheers
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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    I dont see the portafilters as a problem, they are rarely interchangable between different brands plus it apears you can use rancilio baskets so there are plenty of options there. On a number of other fronts though I gotta think the Silvia would be a better choice for most "enthusiasts" but hey each to their own!

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    non-standard pfs is a problem if you like using pfs with a 15o angled handle. These make level tamping a bit easier, and they sit on your bench with the filter level, so you dont have to rest the pf on the edge of the bench to tamp.

    and you cant replace them with la marzocco pfs, which are just damn sexy for some reason.

    and then, if you wanna go nude, you have to buy another SB pf and chop it, rather than just ordering a pre-cut one from www.coffeeparts.com.au ...

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattyj link=1109515596/135#142 date=1123742375
    non-standard pfs is a problem if you like using pfs with a 15o angled handle. These make level tamping a bit easier, and they sit on your bench with the filter level, so you dont have to rest the pf on the edge of the bench to tamp.

    and you cant replace them with la marzocco pfs, which are just damn sexy for some reason.

    and then, if you wanna go nude, you have to buy another SB pf and chop it, rather than just ordering a pre-cut one from www.coffeeparts.com.au ...
    Id like to know how many percent of people actually throw away their portafilter to get a 15 deg one. *Perhaps any of the Sylvia owners on this forum did? *Let us know.

    How many here actually replaced their pf to Marzocco pfs?

    And finally how many have a nude pf for their Sylvia?

    Since, they seem important to some when evaluating the Sunbeam, I wonder how many thought of these to be important when buying their Sylvia and other similar priced machines.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Certainly would never throw away my Silvia portafilter for 15 degrees or any other number of degrees.

    Personally, I think its just a little too precious if go into that sort of unnecessary wastage. What is wrong with holding the PF level on the bench while tamping?

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    I agree robusto.

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    Me too [smiley=thumbsup.gif],

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    ...thats why I said "if you like..."

    Some people actually do have portafilters that they prefer over standard straight handled pfs - Ive always found holding a rounded edge (the bottom of the pf) on a flat bench a bit tricky to be perfectly level, and my tamp is usually a little bit off ... regularly with the sunbeam, and from the few times Ive used a bazerra and a LM. Having a handle and spouts that line up to make the pf sit level takes away one more variable that can ruin my tamp. Its just an option that some people like to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyj link=1109515596/135#147 date=1123916193
    Ive always found holding a rounded edge (the bottom of the pf) on a flat bench a bit tricky to be perfectly level, and my tamp is usually a little bit off ... regularly with the sunbeam, and from the few times Ive used a bazerra and a LM. Having a handle and spouts that line up to make the pf sit level takes away one more variable that can ruin my tamp. Its just an option that some people like to take.
    Actually mattyj,

    Ive never really found this to be much of a hassle. Just sit the PF on the bench like a tripod and after the coffee is levelled off, just tamp down making sure that the top flat section of the tamper is parallel with the top of the PF basket. You could do this type of tamp on the ceiling if one was so inclined and it should always turn out ok.

    If your tamper isnt flat on top then maybe you could get a friendly local machine shop to cut in a couple of reference lines on the side of the tamper so that you can see at a glance that your tamp is level. Just an idea :)

    Cheers,
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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Ive just brought home the pf baskets from our commercial espresso machine from the shop to try it in the Sunbeam EM6900, and they fit perfectly. *So, there is no problem with exchanging baskets or getting the baskets you want to use in the sunbeam. * :)

    The holes on the original Sunbeam baskets look exactly the same as the ones that come with our commercial machine. *Same size, same spacings, and same quality. *They are virtually identical appart from the Sunbeam ones hold more coffee. * [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



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