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    New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

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    Any one seen a review yet on the New $599.95 Sunbeam EM6900 Semi Auto Espresso Coffee Machine? apparently a real Ball-Bighter fitted with Twin Stainless Steel encased Thermo-Blocks, - one for espresso hot water - one for steam. Real quik HOT Brew, Appreciate any info to tell you the truth i dont even know if its even been released yet. I think this could be the one ive been waiting for.......

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Hi TwIsTeD,

    I think Alan Frew has a had a cursory look at one of these and some brief comments in his list of Newsletters somewhere. You can check them out here...http://www.coffeeco.com.au/newsletterpage.html

    Someone at CoffeeGeek has also reviewed (Consumer Reviews) one too I think and can be searched here... http://www.coffeegeek.com/

    All the best,
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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    I think if I was spending $600 just on the machine Id probably save another $100 and get the Rancillo Silvia..... Its not a thermoblock, but from the reading Ive done - its the machine to get.

    You do seem to need a pretty decent grinder thou... so thats some more cash right there.

    Good luck on finding info - and let us know what you find out.

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    Hi again TwIsTeD,

    Got to thinking a bit more where I read Alans thoughts on the then upcoming Sunbeam Dual T/block machine. Discovered that it was on alt.coffee after a bit of searching around. Heres a link to that post... http://tinyurl.com/4lmlf.

    Theres not a lot discussed about it there other than Alan was very keen to get hold of one and try it out. Maybe if you drop a line to Alan, he might tell you if he has made any progress on that score. Hope this helps.

    Regarding other views of what constitutes one machine as being better than another, it comes down to what you want out of the machine in the end, other than great coffee (that should be the main criteria above all else after all). In terms of quality, its very hard to go past a Rancilio Silvia and unless you are going to be offering your equipment and services as a Barista to large gatherings on a regular basis, then I would have absolutely no hesitation in recommending them to anyone.

    The only real criticism Ive read about the Silvia is that it can be a bit slow to churn out a lot of Lattes/Cappas in a short time due to the need to allow the boiler sufficient time to heat up for steam production and then cool down again for pulling shots. Alan also has a method for overcoming this characteristic on his website too so when its all said and done, this is only a minor niggle. If I had the money at the time I bought my Mokita, I would definitely have bought the Silvia instead. Mind you, the Mokita is a very close second to Silvia in the quality stakes.

    If the Sunbeam is going to have any advantages over Silvia and other single boiler machines, its that you will be able to stretch your milk at the same time as pulling shots thereby cutting down on the time taken to produce milk coffees... and this at a fraction of the cost that a good quality dual boiler machine will cost you. So, if you look at it from this perspective then the Sunbeam may well be a very good proposition.

    Hope some of my rambling has been helpful to you. All the best with your choice,

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    consider the Saeco Via Venezia. I went looking for a Silvia in Rio Coffee in Adelaide, and the Sales staff said hed recommend the Venezia because its basically the same machine at half the price. It does have a stainless steel boiler but its built like a brick with a s/s body too. Similar group head too. 55 secs or so to effectively switch to steam mode. I demonstrated these two machines side by side with a few variations on the grinder. the shots that were pulled were identical. also theres a nice grinder in the same range & price range, so you could have a great quality machine & grinder for the same price as a silvia. worth checking out.
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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Sam,
    I think the big issue with the Via Venezia versus Silvia is the boiler. SS against brass can make a big difference. Especially comes into play depending on the quality of water being put into it.
    Whilst new, they might be comparable machines, but how they will stack up next to each other after a year.. that is the telling point for me.
    Also, the Saeco boiler is 180ml, Silvia is 300ml.
    I would recommend readin Alan Frews article:
    http://coffeegeek.com/opinions/alanfrew/07-01-2002

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Hello Twisted,

    On seeing your post, I went to the Sunbeam website (www.sunbeam.com.au) and they have the new machine listed under both New Products and their Cafe Series.

    I too want to have a gander at it, as I spend a lot of time with either a Breville ESP6 at home or the Sunbeam Ristretto when away making up to 6 cappas/lattes, so the dual thermoblock system *should* be good - after all it was "developed with (the assistance of) World Barista Champion Paul Bassett", so it should rock!

    Unfortunately, it doesnt say when it will hit the shops...

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    This is a quote from another Australian coffee related website:

    Dear Espresso friend,
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    Our new twin thermoblock machine is definately coming. *Part of our new Cafe Series range of commercial designed appliances. *It is called the Cafe Series Twin Thermoblock Espresso Machine (EM6900). *It has got it all. *TPTT System (twin thermoblock twin pump) stainless lined. *Commercial spec group head and handle, full stainless steel design, (back) pressure gauge for optimum extraction, semi-auto function with flow meter - programmable, 5 year guarantee on pumps etc. *Whats more we have worked with Paul Bassett (WBC) to perfect all the finer elements. *Still life testing the pre-production samples, availability likely to be late Feb 05.
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    As far as we are aware it is the first of its kind, and the key advantage of the TPTT system is that you can pull a shot of espresso and steam milk at the same time - simultaneous operation just like commercial machines.
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    Regards,
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    Damian Court
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    Sunbeam Corporation
    dcourt@sunbeam.com.au


    Fresh Coffee had some caveats. I wont speak for him but perhaps he will chime in here as well.


    Stephen

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    hey. i just checked out the em6900 on the sunbeam site. although it is advertised as a twin thermoblock machine, it actually has a 15 bar pump for espresso making & a 4 bar pump for the steam, not your 15 bar pump pressure for the steam.

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    Hi Sam,

    Yep, thats right. You dont need a high pressure pump feeding a steam generator since the steam is being discharged into the atmosphere (well, a milk frothing jug anyway). If you pressurised the steam generator vessel to too high a pressure before opening the steam valve, the resulting rapid expansion would be dangerous and risky to use once the valve was opened.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    On most commercial espresso machines the steam is supplied direct from the boiler, which is only at 1.2 bars.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    ok so this machine may make a good coffee but i still hesitate to spend $600 on sunbeam.....but maybe thats just me. :-/

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Sam, especially when you can pick up a true commercial machine for that price, or even less, if you shop around and are willing to wait for the right deal to come along. ;D

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    The things im looking forward to on the sunbeam:
    *a real tamp. apparently PBs made sure it comes with a real tamp, not a plastic toy
    *the simultaneous thing. being able to steam milk while brewing espresso sounds nice
    *commercial portafilter - which i take to mean 58mm, fat and heavy - good at holding heat

    Last i heard, its coming out late march, but they were saying early feb a while ago. before that they were saying first week of december.

    but yeah, its still not going to be a commercial machine - but then again, i make about two-three coffees a day, five if friends come over - im continually trying to learn and get better at making espresso - do i really really need a mercedes when im happpy with my mazda?

    *oh yeah, and from what ive seen, it looks downright sexy - this should please the aesthetically-minded wife!

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    Hello MattyJ,

    Hey! Im with you brother!

    I generally make four to six milk based drinks each sitting using my Breville Cafe Roma, as my wife and older two children love coffees and the younger two love their choccochinos. And if I only made coffee for my wife and I, well you can imagine the faces on the kids - awfully hard to enjoy something nice when you have four faces glowering at you!

    So bring on the dual system!

    Without the crema enhancers of course. *Or the small aluminium PF. *Or the 1.2L tank. *Or the plastic tamper. *Or the really light weight overall. *Or... *Or... *Or...

    EDITED 9:36am

    I just emailed the Sunbeam customer service and received a response stating that the EM6900 Cafe Series Twin Thermoblock Espress Machine (mouthful) will not be released into stores until about mid April.

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    something i want to comment on, and this may be off topic, but it kind of regards the new sunbeam machine ... there seems to be this general dislike of anything thermoblock and anything made by a big brand name company. Why?

    If a thermoblock was capable of producing the same temperature stability as a boiler (without running the risk of overheating the water), then whats the problem? I understand that many thermoblock machines have really crappy temp-stability ... but if a machine comes out with a really good quality thing, then is there any difference? Its the same water heated to the same temperature, delivered to the coffee at the same pressure, in the same amount of time.

    I guess theres a little bit of label-worship going on ... Im caught up in it too - i remember cringing when my mum used to take me to bestnless to go clothes shopping, when id much rather go into a surf shop...

    Secondly, would we all be whinging about sunbeam if they invented the Silvia? Or the La Marzocco? Why are we dead-set against them (and breville for that matter) for trying to produce a good quality espresso machine, that looks sexy, at a low cost, that is readily available at your average department store? I say, good on them!

    Sorry, this is just my ongoing rant - I dont mean to upset or hurt anyone, i just wanna challenge peoples opinions about stuff, coz in the end, my coffee tastes as good, if not better than every cafe ive sampled in my part of sydney (and thats what my friends tell me, not my own ego), and that tells me something about my machine.

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    so did u get the new sunbeam? i thought i read somewhere that it dont come out for a little while.....
    hey id be quite interested in trying this machine out, im sure its good with the instant steam thing. i think the general feeling here is that thermoblocks dont last quite as long as the brass boiler in the silvia but i really dont know a whole lot about it. i tested a silvia alongside a saeco via venezia the other day which pulled identical shots at less than half the price & with a very attractive warranty etc. it also produced steam pressure in the same amount of time & if i was really in the market for this kind of setup then id probably go in that direction because the steam wand was much more user friendly on the saeco with a ball/swivel compared to silvias clumsy steam wand.
    theres an article around somewhere describing the boilers etc of many types of machines with close up photos of corrosion after 12 months or so to various degrees. its a useful read, ill have a look for u. ive had some bad luck with sunbeam appliances in the past which is why id be a little hesitant in future & i wouldnt expect it to last 15 or so years.
    anyway i shouldnt really say too much here, this is coming from someone who has just bought a gaggia super auto (delivered sometime this week yay! :D) and gone against the whole pro semi automatic thing.
    good luck with it & which ever way u go, make sure u trial it first, preferrably alongside similar machines aswell as more expensive ones.
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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Mattyj. Do a google search -crema domestic espresso machines- Might give you an insite..Im against any thing thats cooked, boiled, etc in ALUMINIUM. Steel or Brass boilers OK. Its an individual thingo..I see the new Sunbeam have Therm-o-Blocks encased in Stainless steel !!! but the water still got to flow through Aluminium. May be others have an opinion on this Subject. Cheers...

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    Hi Mal, Yep got that wrong. Stainless Steel Lined interesting whats that mean? Aluminium lined with a piece S/S Foil. Why not make it soldid S/S or maybe a good heat conductor solid brass no doubt built to a Price.... Going to be interesting to see reviews, looks & sounds the goods no doubt all will be revealed in coming weeks. Cheers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwIsTeD link=1109515596/15#17 date=1110198631
    Mattyj. Do a google search -crema domestic espresso machines- Might give you an insite..Im against any thing thats cooked, boiled, etc in ALUMINIUM. Steel or Brass boilers OK. Its an individual thingo..I see the new Sunbeam have Therm-o-Blocks encased in Stainless steel !!! but the water still got to flow through Aluminium. May be others have an opinion on this Subject. Cheers...
    Hi TwIsTeD,

    From the description of the new Sunbeam, it says the t/blocks are s/s lined, not encased, so that implies that it is the water interface that is s/s not the outside. There would be no point in making the outside of the t/blocks in s/s, it just wouldnt serve any purpose. So from what I read, the Sunbeam sounds like a reasonably well designed espresso machine.

    Itll come down to practical testing of the machine by someone who not only knows what theyre doing but has all of the technical support and resources required to produce objective data as well as the subjective qualities that need to be reported upon.

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    Hi again TwIsTeD,

    Yep, I would say that it is definitely made to a price point alright. The choice of using Aluminium instead of solid s/s is that pure Al is a better conductor of heat. It would have been better if they would have used Brass or Copper (both of which can be cast and neither of which would need a s/s lining) but I guess if theyre going to bring this machine in at the price point indicated then some compromises are going to have to be made.

    Definitely attractive though, the equivalent of a Dual Boiler machine for less than $700.00. If the design and manufacturing is up to scratch then it will probably give a few of the higher echelon machine manufacturers something to think about. All the best,

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    yeah- but for me, thermoblocks are thermoblocks...no matter how theyre packaged and with their inherent compromises. Youd have to think that a thermoblock must cost about 5 bucks....seeing as theyre so popular in the low enders.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyj link=1109515596/15#15 date=1110193387
    there seems to be this general dislike of anything thermoblock and anything made by a big brand name company. Why?

    If a thermoblock was capable of producing the same temperature stability as a boiler (without running the risk of overheating the water), then whats the problem?
    That is the problem - they cant get the thermal stability required, at least not with what they are spending (Quickmill aside).

    The reason these big name companies use thermoblocks is that they are much cheaper to make than boilers as 2muchcoffeeman has said. As an example, Lets compare a couple of Gaggia & Sunbeam semiautos. Now some of the price differential is due to country of origin (Spain vs China) but a lot of it is due to the components. The Gaggia Coffee Deluxe is roughly equivalent to the Sunbeam Crema - both are nicely built (if anything, the Crema is more nicely finished), metal bodied machines with no solenoid valve and the RRP for the Coffee Deluxe is $500 while the Crema is $250. The much lamented Gaggia Carezza was identical internally to the Coffee Deluxe but with a plastic body while the same can be said for the Sunbeam Bar Espresso compared to the Crema - RRP for these are (was) $300 for the Carezza and $150 for the Bar Espresso. The thermoblock is a major contributor to the cheaper prices of the Sunbeams (along with the aluminium PFs and group heads and probably a non-Ulka vibe pump). Now anyone who has been involved with manufacturing will tell you that price cutting gets much harder as the price of an item falls so Sunbeam is doing really well to get prices down as low as they have.

    OK, the even cheaper (RRP $110) Sunbeam Cafe Ristretto is a boiler machine but the boiler in that is so small that the temp stability is even worse than that of their thermoblock machines (the aluminium grouphead also plays a part here - the beefy brass grouphead is one reason the Gaggias get away with their relatively small boilers but also adds to their cost). However, this leads us to the other problem with thermoblock machines: their steaming output is very low compared with boiler machines as they do not have the thermal inertia of the water stored in the boiler to give high steam pressure - the Ristretto, even with its little boiler, outsteams the thermoblock machines quite easily even if the steam is not as dry as that of the thermoblock machines.

    OK, it is possible that this new Sunbeam will be better, since they are spending extra on lining it with SS but Id like to see it in action 1st. For better temp stability, the brew thermoblock will need a longer water path so there is some real temp inertia to counter the big swings of the bimetallic thermostat (or else they electronically control the thing but I havent seen that mentioned anywhere). For better steaming, the steam thermoblock will need to be much higher powered than the existing dual purpose ones (this is quite possible but could cause the machine to draw more than the 10 amps a standard power point is specd for).

    Sorry but TANSTAAFL.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    errrr.....whats TANSTAAFL? :D

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    A comment by one of my favorite authors (RA Heinlein - RIP *:-[) - There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch *:D

    Greg

    PS Sam, could you please give some feedback here on your superauto when it arrives? I have a friend who is interested in one for their office.


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    Let me say, im not just going to buy this machine because its sunbeam, or because its thermoblock. Of course id try before i buy, and of course i wanna see what else i can get around the $600 mark, before i spend that much on something.

    I just get a bit annoyed when people discredit something without even trying it, and because theyve heard someone else say something bad about it. The bottom line is, i get decent espresso and nice microfoam out of my machine, and so do many other users. Sure ive had to replace the die-cast metal portafilter with a real brass one, but doesnt everyone make tweaks to their machines?

    I guess what sets this off is that ive gotten a lot of emails from people saying that theyve read my posts on coffeegeek, and theyve got questions to ask about getting better coffee out of thier sunbeam/breville ... it seems that theyre too afraid to post on that site because they think theyll be looked down upon or something, for having the wrong machine. I also get annoyed when people say thats not real espresso because my water is heated differently to yours.

    But lets just say this machine works great - good temp stability - good strong dry steam. Im keen to hear who would buy it, and who wouldnt, and for what reasons.

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    Matt when it all comes down to the crunch... If you think that you will be happy with this machine or that machine... is a personal opinion.

    We all have different tastes and different needs....

    IF we read every review on every machine we would still find some who will find faults with them... We have a Boema and we like it very much, but then some purists will say that they have problems... find me a machine with no problems and I will show you a machine that is going to have problems... Nothing in this world as you very well know is for certain.

    Make your choice and if it doesnt work out, then theres always eBay.

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    If it works, thats great. Itd be terrific to have a good machine with those capabilities at that price. :D

    The Quickmill thermoblocks work well by all accounts. Im just outlining why the cheap thermoblocks get bagged. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

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    Well from what ive heard the "New Sunbeam" is fitted with Quickmill Thermoblocks. They are top of the Town Stuff Excellent have Stainless Steel lined tubes for the water path, tight temp control, and an added length of water path for the steam, the Bad Ones are just a pair of Aluminium disks with channels etched into them, pressed together.....as i said before i dont want to drink water cooked in Aluminium ....Bad for Brain & Body further on down the track.........

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    I think it comes down to personal choice.

    I would like to think that noone would flame anyone on this forum for saying they got a decent coffee (ITHO) out of their thermobloc machine. I personally have written posts concentrating on low end machines, and trying to get the best out of them.

    Saying that, I think people need to understand when you post here you will get other peoples personal opions BACK! People who are REALLY into coffee (yep, CoffeeSnobs is a bit antagonistic isnt it!) Seems like some people arch up a bit too fast when someone doesnt agree with them. Or they start out by thinking someone will not agree with them... and they seem to take it as a personal affront. This is DISCUSSION. Its a FORUM... for DISCUSSION.

    Great coffee comes from any source where the right criteria are met. I love what Kevin Knox wrote about Espresso in "Coffee Basics". - "Unlike other methods of brewing coffee, this IS rocket science. True espresso is uniquely a product of technology... The more money you pay at home the closer to the commercial standard you will come. No one wants to hear this, but it is true."

    Is the Sunbeam machine good? No idea, Ive not read a review by anyone I would trust. Has it got potential... yep, sounds like it. Would I pay $600 for a S/S Thermoblock machine - No. Id save the extra $100 and get a Silvia, because I have read just about everywhere that it is the best machine pre-HX. I have read this from people I trust, and buy green beans from, people who LOVE coffee. (enough to make a living out of it!)

    I personally have technology... a Gaggia Carezza... and man-o-man does it knock out a wonderfull Ristretto in the morning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwIsTeD link=1109515596/15#28 date=1110363998
    Well from what ive heard the "New Sunbeam" is fitted with Quickmill Thermoblocks. They are top of the Town Stuff Excellent have Stainless Steel lined tubes for the water path, tight temp control, and an added length of water path for the steam
    Excellent :D. This machine has real potential then. Ill be keen to see one.

    Quote Originally Posted by TwIsTeD link=1109515596/15#28 date=1110363998
    as i said before i dont want to drink water cooked in Aluminium ....Bad for Brain & Body further on down the track.........
    Thats a myth. The Alzheimers link with aluminium in the brain has found to be indicative of the condition, not causal.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyCJ link=1109515596/15#29 date=1110412992
    Saying that, I think people need to understand when you post here you will get other peoples personal opions BACK! People who are REALLY into coffee (yep, CoffeeSnobs is a bit antagonistic isnt it!) Seems like some people arch up a bit too fast when someone doesnt agree with them. Or they start out by thinking someone will not agree with them... and they seem to take it as a personal affront. This is DISCUSSION. Its a FORUM... for DISCUSSION.
    Well said. :)

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    I really dont want this to turn into angry dicussion, and i want to do my best to stay away from that - ive seen too many posts on other sites lead to members beign banned, and i dont ever want to cause that, or have that happen to me.

    i didnt mean to sound like im arching up when someone disagrees with me - so sorry if thats how it came out. I guess we all just feel the need to stick up for ourselves (and our equipment if we love it) from time to time.

    If this is a great machine, then great! Ill buy one (after giving it a test with freshly roasted, well ground coffee), but if not, then im sure ill have some great reasons for not buying it. Likewise, if a silvia (or any other machine in this price range) was capable of producing more than two drinks in 5 minutes (hey, im slow with my tamping...), then ill go for it.

    For the moment, in my very humble experience, ive had great espresso from my sunbeam, nowhere near as good as campos (like ill ever be that good!), but still pretty nice. And of course, i want that to be known, just like the gazillions of satisfied silvia owners out there!

    Ive got nuthin but love here guys!

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    awwwwww :(
    that was lovely. I had a laugh
    keep us informed about what machine you do end up getting, im sure theres a few ppl here that are interested :)

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Its good to hear youre going to give this machine a test run with the goods (propper beans, grind etc). It would be excellent to hear back about it.

    Im happy that youre getting excellent coffee from your Sunbeam, and Im sure you wernt trying to be antagonistic or anything. Just thought Id say what I thought (as always!) Cheap machines are great fodder for discussion - Im pretty damn happy with my Carezza, and that was cheap too!

    Let us know when you find this new Sunbeam, and how it holds up.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    it seems the machine isnt on the sunbeam site anymore - at least it was gone last time i looked (yesterday?) - which probably means another delay on the release date.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Hello to all and sundry who may be interested...

    I had received a response from the Sunbeam customer support section stating that the EM6900 Dual Thermoblock machine is due out now in the second week of May (which is a month later than when they said back in early March that it would be released around mid April).

    Unfortunately there has been no other information released on the machine other than the Sunbeam Summer 05 catalogue piccies.

    I hope to have a good look at it, but if it goes on much longer, Im buying a Bezzera BZ02SDE volumetric...

    If anyone has any info on the Bezzera, could you let me know what theyre like (reliability, steaming performance, temperature stability, warmup times etc).

    Bye all...

    Ken.

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    In the latest DJ catalog for $599.

    So who will be the 1st to give a report on it in action?

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    and Im just sooooooo excited about another machine built around thermoblock/s. Sorry if that sounds cynical.....now can I have my beemer and some travel?? *;D

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    EM 6900 Sunbeam, Any Reports , Road tests , Anything at all. oi ANYONE, would really like to know. C/Mon dont want to wait till Choice Magazine prints its load of dribble.

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    eh ... ive decided to save the upgrade for a few more months - get myself an expobar and a mazzer mini (all together for slightly over $2000!).

    Why upgrade in baby steps?

    Im heading this way, mainly because while im a young married fella with no kids, we have a high disposable income. Once kiddies come along, we can say goodbye to all that, so im after an upgrade that will keep going strong in 30 years time, and will still be bringing a smile to my face.

    Theres a bit on coffeegeek, in the Machines and Grinders forum, but not a whole lot. I guess not many people have bought one yet. Not many geeks/snobs at least.

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Quote Originally Posted by TwIsTeD link=1109515596/30#38 date=1115559517
    C/Mon dont want to wait till Choice Magazine prints its load of dribble.
    I actually got hold of the 2004 Choice comparison from the local library and it really is a laugh - we should all be using Nespresso capsule machines or the $120 Breville thermoblocks :o. Anyone with a lever machine (eg La Pavoni) or a Gaggia should ditch it since these cant make decent tasting coffee ;). Oh, and the grinder article rates the Gaggia MM above the MDF ;D

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    Keeping that info in mind, Id better sell the giotto and mazzer for a nespresso and spice cutter/aka grinder...now how do I get my freshly roasted stuff into their damn pods??? *;) ;D

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    Those bastards! ...... me and my gaggia... well show them!

    I suppose thats what happens when you have unskilled labourers with no taste reviewing coffee equipment!

    anyway, rant over.. who wrote the reviews? how long did they have to get used to the machines? what coffee did they use?

    I know my gran made crap coffee with preground! and badlyground coffee.. (I havent used that rubber thingy you get with a gaggia)

    clarexican <-- willing to go make coffee

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    who wrote the reviews? how long did they have to get used to the machines? what coffee did they use?
    Hi Clarexican,

    To get an idea, its worth going over to the Choice website and reading their first review completed a couple of years ago. This is free to read/download and it will give you some insight on how they believe an espresso machine/grinder evaluation should be carried out. After youve read that, I dare you not to write to them and explain their hereditory defficiencies.... you wont get far though, their heads are so far up their (where the sun dont shine) its like trying to talk to a cane toad after being driven 250 metres down the fairway, if you know what I mean.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks Mal,
    But, I think I feel dumber for that experience :P

    hows this,
    buy a thermometer heat milk to 60C then plunge nozzle down.
    I think they dont want microfoam, just heaps of dry marshmallow

    heres the link for any one interested

    http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle...tid=100008&p=1

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    Clare heat it to 50 deg C and allow the temp to surf up on its own..... going to 60 deg will make the milk go up to 70C+ and thats starting to burn the milk.... isnt that rouighly right other peoples.

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    Hi FB,

    I agree with you that what the said was wrong, wrong wrong, I was just quoteing the eminately knowlegable people from Choice magazine, not my personal opinion. :)

    Clarexican

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Hello to all who have been following this thread...

    Profound impatience forced me to actually email Sunbeam once again ( ::) ) to ask if they have a release date yet (especially since the machine has been in the David Jones catalogue for a couple of weeks now...).

    Their response was:

    Thank you for your email.
    The EM6900 is not due into stores until end of June.
    Currently we have no schedules for demos.
    Regards
    Susie

    This is rather interesting - seeing as the machine was to have been released mid March.... then mid April, early May, Mothers Day (sorry wifey), mid May, and now the end of June.

    Problems with reliability maybe??? Production??? Toaster interface difficulties??? Who knows >:(

    Im going out looking at a good HX now - Lost my patience (and I can no longer hack the coffee from my Breville - even though I drilled out the bottom of the Crema Enhancing filters to remove the pressurisation - nor wait for the milk to steam...)

    Hooroo all,

    Ken.

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    I hate to say it...but they could put 50 thermoblocks in it and the whole concept would still be lacking for me....Why bother when you can have a sylvia and pull god shots with a modicum of care? When I see a LM with thermoblocks, then my ears will prick up.....until then.....zzzzzzz

    Alternately, save up and go HX 8)

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    The new Sunbeam EM6900 is back on the Sunbeam web site. My interest has really been piqued by this machine. A well designed thermoblock system should offer superior temperature stability to a shot. By all accounts the Quickmill machines offer stiff competition to the Silvia over in Europe. My only concern would be on the steaming side of things. It takes the element running at a full 1300 W to keep up the steam pressure on my Gaggia Classic. Given the system has only 2400 watts to play with, thats pretty tight. But it does sound possible.

    For those interested, there is a manual also available for download (pdf format). It looks like a pretty serious machine, featuring a low pressure pre-infusion and some kind of espresso meter (probably flow-rate). Very interesting indeed!

    Im a little perplexed with peoples attitudes towards thermoblock systems. Of course cheap thermoblocks systems probably have a lot to do with this. However, HX machines operate on exactly the same principle, except in this case cold water flows through a pipe in a boiler containing water that is hotter than the brew temperature. That makes the heat transfer in a HX machine very tricky and flow rate dependent. On the contrary, if a thermoblock is set to the exact brew temperature, a very simple temperature control loop could ensure the water is delivered at exactly the right temperature for a range of different flow rates. That sounds more idiot-proof to me.

    $600 for a machine that can brew at a stable temperature and foam milk at the same time sounds like a bargain to me... if it works.



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