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    Silvia and Grinders...

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    I am about to submit the proposal to the Minister of Finance for upgrading the machine and possibly the grinder. I currently run a Saeco MD2002 with my crappy Krupps job. Has anyone had experience with pairing Silvia with the Saeco grinder? I figure the Minister would be more likely to approval the proposal if the cost were kept to a minimum..... Of course the Rocky would be the alternative....

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    Re: Silvia and Grinders...

    or the nemox lux is also a great choice... ;)

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    Re: Silvia and Grinders...

    The Saeco wont be up to the job with a Silvia. You need a very fine even grind. The cheapest that will work OK is the Lux.

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    Yep,

    Agree with what the other CSers have to say. Id go for a new grinder before buying the Silvia though. As you see written time and time again (because its true), a good grinder is essential to making a great cup of coffee, not the machine. Get the grinder first and then step up to the Silvia later 8),

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    Thanks CSs. I just wondered if MD2002 would be up to scratch...Part of the reason of the push to Silvia was that I am starting to get worried about the 10 year old Aluminium inside the krupps aka thermablock. Just wondered how much of it I am actually drinking and perhaps contriubuting to my dementia. So you guys reckon grinder before Silvia still?

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    Re: Silvia and Grinders...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonetrooper link=1121149135/0#4 date=1121198581
    So you guys reckon grinder before Silvia still?
    I didnt do it that way when I started out. I bought pre-ground coffee until I could afford a good grinder. But I didnt enjoy the coffee in the meantime!

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    Re: Silvia and Grinders...

    Clone,
    At the risk of sounding like: "me too me too!", make the order of acquisition grinder first, machine second. You wont be sorry.
    Also, I would save a little longer for a Rocky or Mazzer if I were you. Again, you wont be sorry in the long run.
    There is a lesser-known brand called Iberital that is said to be very good value for money. Others in this forum would be better qualified to talk about it than me.
    Does you Minister for Finance like coffee? If so, appeal to her taste buds with a demo of coffee made using a good grinder.
    (My CFO took some convincing but now shes in with both feet!!!)

    Regards,

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    Thanks Tim. The Minister of Finance is not big into espresso. She would rather the Other caffeinated beverage...tea. There is merit in what you say, and I think the grinder is the key as everyone seems to be saying. Alas, I hope the minister of finance would not be consulting her other portfolio, the department of war and trade when entering into aggressive negotiations for the acquisition of the grinder.

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    Re: Silvia and Grinders...

    I say inform the minsiter of finance that you can grind the tea and run it thru the sylvia for a cup like shes never experienced before! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1121149135/0#8 date=1121249084
    I say inform the minsiter of finance that you can grind the tea and run it thru the sylvia for a cup like shes never experienced before! ;D
    If shes anything like my CFO, she will definitely smell a HUGE rat with that as justification ;),

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    Clonetrooper,

    ok heres a different spin.

    I guess this is subject to individual interpretation but in your current set up as described, my honest opinion would be to upgrade from the machine you have to a much better one, and see how the 2002 grinder goes with the new machine first up.

    The 2002 is in reality, not as bad as its made out to be in certain quarters. If the grinding plates are in good nik, it should be fine (no pun intended), and you can save your bickies for a better grinder that doesnt need to be purchased right at this very moment (perhaps at the next birthday or christmas....get what you want, just do it in 2 small steps, it will make it easier for her to approve your finance *;)).

    If they (grinding plates) are not in good nik, they are not that hard to replace or have replaced. So, how old is it, & how much coffee has it ground on the existing plates.

    If they need replacing, and you would have a service centre (more cost) do it rather than DIY (less cost), you need to decide on whether the cost benefit analysis warrants spending around say $120.00 to get a service centre to replace plates on a $220.00 grinder, or whether you put that money towards a better but much more expensive grinder.

    So budget here is the key at this time, and I for one can live for a reasonable period with a 2002, but I couldnt live for any period with the krupps.

    In addition whilst the Lux grinder is a great little grinder, if you already have a 2002 I would consider an upgrade to a Lux as being not much more than a slightly up but sideways step. A real upgrade would be to the matching (is to the Silvia) *Rocky grinder.

    Regardz,
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    Silvias, Rockies, Luxes, Macap M5s & god forbid, even Mini Mazzers in stock right now!

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    Hi again Clonetrooper,

    After reading FCs post and researching on the MD2002 (like I should have done in the first place :-[ ), Id have to agree with him. The MD2002 doesnt look all that bad and providing the burrs are in good nick, it should do as good a job as a Lux is capable of (used to own one of those before I got the Rocky ;D ).

    So, the choice now comes down to which espresso machine to buy..... that should be easy, eh? Phew, we all wish ;). Comes down to budget, prospective use (espressos or lattes, etc) and longevity of ownership, i.e. upgradeitis... an insidious disease that seems to strike all coffee-geeks/snobs at some time :o.

    All the best,
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    Thanks! The MD2002 is I think about 6 years old. (It was actually a present from the THEN prospective Minister of Finance! :o I think this was the last big present I was bought :-[ ) It is used regularly about 250g per week. I should imagine I ought to take it apart this w/e to do an inspection of the burrs. Is DIY burrs easy to do? I guess Saeco distributors would be able to get me a set of burrs? I did not think it was going to be 120$...

    I have alway said I am a simple man, I like my coffee very short and very black. I think steam would not be a great issue but would be a good option since the Minister occasionally entertains a latte :). That was why Silvia was a thought. What do you guys think?

    The Tea through the Silvia might work!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clonetrooper link=1121149135/0#12 date=1121420977
    Thanks! The MD2002 is I think about 6 years old. (It was actually a present from the THEN prospective Minister of Finance! :o I think this was the last big present I was bought :-[ ) It is used regularly about 250g per week. I should imagine I ought to take it apart this w/e to do an inspection of the burrs. Is DIY burrs easy to do? I guess Saeco distributors would be able to get me a set of burrs? I did not think it was going to be 120$...

    I have alway said I am a simple man, I like my coffee very short and very black. I think steam would not be a great issue but would be a good option since the Minister occasionally entertains a latte :). That was why Silvia was a thought. What do you guys think?

    The Tea through the Silvia might work!!
    Hi again CT,

    Another option for sourcing new burrs, if needed, would be to contact Coffee Parts Pty Ltd, linked here... http://tinyurl.com/bl64z. Changing the burrs is not that onerous a task so long as you have the necessary tools and a reasonable work bench, or maybe one of your mates ;).

    On the other hand, when you disassemble your 2002, you might find that all it really needs is a thoroughly good clean out. Either way, you should get into the habit of cleaning your grinder out on a regular basis... old coffee grinds and oils, etc go rancid after a short time and fresh coffee coming into contact with this stuff is not a good thing.

    When you have access to your grinders burr set, just lightly draw the back of your thumb-nail across the cutting edges of the burrs. If the burrs are sharp, you will feel your nail catching on the sharp edge, if blunt you will be able to draw your nail across without catching on the edge.

    Silvias are a great espresso machine, no doubt about it and if you did want to go that way, Im sure one of our CS Sponsors would give you an excellent deal and lots of very valuable advice (never underestimate the value of this advice). They may even suggest an alternative machine after assessing all of your requirements so I would give them a go before trying anywhere else ;D.

    I dont know much about Espresso Tea though, I think Java is the expert on this stuff 8).

    Hope the above is of some assistance to you,

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    Re: Silvia and Grinders...

    <Javaphile looks around in surprise>

    Moi? An expert on espresso tea? I havent had a cup of regular tea in well over a decade let alone insulting my Cimbali by letting any of coffees weaker cousin even touch it! If I even *hinted at that it would probably have a fit and refuse to work until I mollified it with a new cleaning brush or some such! ;D

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    Clonetrooper,

    250 grams use of coffee is about average for a household, and a simple multiplication of that over 6 years, means your 2002 has ground no more than say 80 kilos in the period.

    Clean her up, leave the grinding plates alone, and keep her another 6 years.

    Dont need to spend money on grinding plates or grinders where it is most probably not warranted.

    Regardz,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1121149135/0#14 date=1121455802
    <Javaphile looks around in surprise>

    Moi? An expert on espresso tea? I havent had a cup of regular tea in well over a decade let alone insulting my Cimbali by letting any of coffees weaker cousin even touch it! If I even *hinted at that it would probably have a fit and refuse to work until I mollified it with a new cleaning brush or some such! ;D

    Java "Glad he doesnt have a CFO or hed for *sure be talking from the deep freeze after his latest aquisition!" phile
    Sorry Java,

    Couldnt resist pulling your leg... (he he) ;)

    Cheers,
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