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    Brewtus

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    Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but it looks like the Australian version of the Brewtus is ready: http://www.forsythcoffee.com.au/cgi-...list&pid=61492
    Yet another to add to the list of machines I want.

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    Re: Brewtus

    There are a few places advertising the Expobar Barista Junior (aka Brewtus). At the $2300 asking price, that is one very good value machine.

    This is one of the best quotes that seems to sum up this machine:
    "I roll out of bed in the AM, grind my Code Brown, pull shots for my daughter, wife, and myself knowing that the only variable will be the state of the beans, and I smile. Then I pull another shot... Ho, hum... another consistently wonderful shot... wonder what the poor people are doing... "

    With fathers day just past, Ill have to wait until at least Christmas before even dreaming of owning one of these babys.


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    Re: Brewtus

    shameless sponsor plug........ ;)

    If anyone is serious about one of these give Les a call on 0413 611 296
    (as a distributor, Les has Expobar products coming-in all the time.)

    www.coffeeroasters.com.au

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    Re: Brewtus

    HI ALL,
    * *I WILL HAVE THE EXPOBAR BRUTUS (BARISTA JNR)AVAILABLE MID OCTOBER AND I AM TAKING ORDERS NOW.
    * *THERE ARE 2 MODELS 1 WITH WATER TANK AND A PLUMBED IN MODEL.
    * *THEY HAVE 2 BOILERS 1 FOR HOT WATER AND STEAM AND 1 FOR THE GROUP WHICH HAS A DIGITAL THERMOSTAT SO YOU CAN ADJUST THE TEMP.OF THE WATER FROM THE GROUP.
    * *THE PORTABLE MODEL HAS A VIBRATING PUMP AND THE PLUMBED MODEL HAS A ROTARY PUMP.
    * *THEY COME WITH 1 PORTOFILLA AND A 1 AND 2 CUP FILTER BASKET.
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    CoffeeSnob Member Special * *FOR ORDERS RECEIVED BEFORE 14th OCTOBER I WILL INCLUDE AN EXTRA PORTOFILLA AND A WASTE TUBE FREE,VALUE *$130.00.




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    Re: Brewtus

    Will be interesting to see if these are as good as they sound.... The specs look great! 8-)

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    Re: Brewtus

    I think I have a touch of upgrade fever.

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    Re: Brewtus

    In case any prospective owners missed it: http://www.home-barista.com/brewtus-buyers-guide.html

    A well written and quite measured review from a very serious Brewtus user.

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    Re: Brewtus

    Hi Chaps,

    Im just about to place a order for Brewtus (I think is going to called "Barista Minore"),
    Ive Bean asking around (non expobar sellers) they telling me that the "expobar isnt as good as the others" Your thoughts? Someone told me it just fit and finish? or does it go deeper with inturnals?

    Cheers
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    Re: Brewtus

    Mad_Barun:

    The build quality is evidently a bit average in some respects but overall I think it is pretty good. Not in the same league as a Cimbali though.

    If you want the precise temperature control though then there isnt really anything else on the market (yet) that would make it as easy to get precise temperature control as the Brewtus.

    It certainly isnt going to break on you, I wouldnt think so anyway.

    If you want a top quality two boiler machine you could consider the Reneka Techno which has two 1.4L boilers and a rotary pump and can be plumbed in for a bit over 3k. This doesnt have the same ease of temperature control though that the Brewtus has.

    Regards,
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    The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
    has any one heard what the machine like? Sounds like the Brewtus (without the E61 Group)
    I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
    At the mounment Brewtus is winning by default?
    What to do?

    Cheers
    Mark

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    Re: Brewtus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565
    The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
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    I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
    Hi Mad Barun,

    Another user on these forums (hrh68) had recently upgraded to a new S1, you could ask him about his ownership experience. He purchased it from the Bean Alliance, but said that it took a number of months for the order to arrive (Feb->Aug).
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1122277329

    www.beanalliance.com.au

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    Re: Brewtus

    After owning an expobar for a few weeks, (and having opened it up once or tiwce to see whats inside) I can safely say that theyre well built, solid machines.

    Where they save money in production costs is the body, or the skin - corners arent as flush as they could be, the panels dont all line up perfectly, the drip tray is plastic - though not on the brewtus ... (at least my plastic one wont rust like my old sunbeam one was), and its safe to say it wont win any beauty contests... Theyve obviously spent all their money on the guts and whacked a cheap skin on it all. If you can live with these minor imperfections, then youll be satisfied.

    I even got comments from a mate who owns a bezzera, that he was really impressed with the expobar.

    As for how it works - it works superbly. The importers/distributors give them a good thorough service when they arrive in the country. Historically, expobars have tended to run hot, and need excessive colling flushes, but that problem is eliminates by the pre-sale service, so mine only needs roughly a 30ml colling flush. This is obviously a heat-exchange issue though, and the dual boiler doesnt have this problem, though it does help to run a similar heating flush prior to pulling a shot.


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    Re: Brewtus

    Quote Originally Posted by rice link=1125888542/0#10 date=1126525027
    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565
    The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
    ....
    I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
    Hi Mad Barun,

    Another user on these forums (hrh68) had recently upgraded to a new S1, you could ask him about his ownership experience. He purchased it from the Bean Alliance, but said that it took a number of months for the order to arrive (Feb->Aug).
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1122277329

    www.beanalliance.com.au
    I was there the other day...they have one in their retail shop.....

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    Re: Brewtus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565
    The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
    has any one heard what the machine like? Sounds like the Brewtus (without the E61 Group)
    I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
    At the mounment Brewtus is winning by default?
    What to do?

    Cheers
    Mark

    There is a forum for La Spaziale S1 owners around. They seem to be comparable to the Brewtus in temp stability from what Ive seen. They use a narrower portafilter though (53 mm?), which puts some people off.

    Brewtus also has its own user forum, so theres plenty of info out there if you go looking. There is a guy over in the US who has modified his Brewtus to a dual PID controlled machine. Its a mod thats very professionally done, but the report from the users is that its not needed as there is no discernable difference in the cup compared to a stock Brewtus.

    Id buy one tomorrow if I had the cash floating around.

    regards,

    Mark.

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    Re: Brewtus

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1125888542/0#13 date=1126573807
    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565
    The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
    has any one heard what the machine like? *Sounds like the Brewtus (without the E61 Group)
    I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
    At the mounment Brewtus is winning by default?
    What to do?

    Cheers
    Mark

    There is *a forum for La Spaziale S1 owners around. They seem to be comparable to the Brewtus in temp stability from what Ive seen. They use a narrower portafilter though (53 mm?), which puts some people off.

    Brewtus also has its own user forum, so theres plenty of info out there if you go looking. There is a guy over in the US who has modified his Brewtus to a dual PID controlled machine. Its a mod thats very professionally done, but the report from the users is that its not needed as there is no discernable difference in the cup compared to a stock Brewtus.

    Id buy one tomorrow if I had the cash floating around.

    regards,

    Mark.
    I wouldnt be too worried about the narrow portafilter. Its pretty deep and you can dose plenty into it. One bonus is that with the much thicker puck, its pretty much impossible to get channeling 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1125888542/0#14 date=1126576964

    I wouldnt be too worried about the narrow portafilter. Its pretty deep and you can dose plenty into it. One bonus is that with the much thicker puck, its pretty much impossible to get channeling 8-)
    Yeah, I had wondered about that. The main concerns center more around aftermarket products, especially filter baskets. But there seems to be a reasonable range out there anyway.

    One very nice machine indeed.

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    Re: Brewtus

    We use a LaSpaziale Super 3 group at work and it certainly has problems with being too hot ( I sometimes have to flush for >5 seconds to cool the group head) but that could be because of a lazy service dude. There are a few other problems with things like not enough distance between spouts and drip tray, steam wand doesnt actually sit over drip tray - just little things that should be but arent. I havent had any serious problems with the 53mm baskets although the single is always pretty muddy.

    Having said all that I know naught about the Vivaldi s1.

    Luke

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    Quote Originally Posted by doxhead link=1125888542/15#16 date=1126594913
    We use a LaSpaziale Super 3 group at work and it certainly has problems with being too hot ( I sometimes have to flush for >5 seconds to cool the group head) but that could be because of a lazy service dude. *There are a few other problems with things like not enough distance between spouts and drip tray, steam wand doesnt actually sit over drip tray - just little things that should be but arent. *I havent had any serious problems with the 53mm baskets although the single is always pretty muddy.

    Having said all that I know naught about the Vivaldi s1.

    Luke
    A cooling flush is always a good idea although I have used an s3 and that was hot too. One would think it should be a minor service adjustment. Have used an s1 and it was fine. As for muddy singles, what singles arent? Many people dont use them anyway. The other shot could always go towards some iced coffee mix??

    We have a Brasilia gradisca and solved sloppy singles by getting a deep single- 12g which is still rarely used ;)- to go with our 18g doubles.....

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    Hi 2muchcoffeeman,

    So what is it, if you dont mind me asking and its not too far off topic, that makes the singles sloppy and how is it fixed by using the 12g basket?

    btw, I always flush the grouphead - I was taught by a pro. ;)

    Luke

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    Hey Luke- we find the deep singles give us a thicker, drier puck though I do find that if I apply dose by sight principles, I have to brush off just a tad.... The extraction is certainly better. I also tend to updose a bit in the shop. It will always create a drier puck and definitely helps the pour in a single. In addition, the larger dose will allow a coarser grind. In my opinion, this will tend to skew the shot towards the sweet end of the spectrum.

    Glad to hear you had a good trainer ;)

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    Re: Brewtus

    Talking to a mate tonight about the Brewtus - what do you think about having 1.7L hot water sitting aroudn for long periods? Will the water go stale? Say you pour 4 shots, 120-200mL pending cooling flushes, is that enough to refresh the water?

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    Mark:

    Now you are thinking like a true snobbie, worrying about every last detail!

    ((()))

    Look at it this way. The water you use in the machine has been sitting in pipes for days/weeks before it gets to your house.

    Mind you, if you were a snobbie with real balls you would go up into the mountains and get your own spring water each day.

    It is important that the water you use in your machine has been filtered and softened. This means a 1 to 5 micron screen filter then a carbon/polyphosphate filter to remove flavour taints and soften the water and prevent scale buildup.

    I personally think a two boiler machine is better than an hx machine, even though there are many good hx machines on the market (and some bad ones). A two boiler machine can have each boiler optimised for the job at hand ie. espresso or steam.

    An hx machine is inevitably a compromise although in practice they work surprisingly well, like my Bezzera.

    I would go for the Brewtus or the Reneka. I would be interested in how much the Brewtus is with a rotary pump?

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