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    Am a one/two cup coffee drinker. I have been considering a purchase of an espresso machine for a while. My budget is < $500, given that I am not a huge coffee drinker. I saw a demo of a Krups nespresso the other day and was quite impressed by the quality of coffee that this pod system used. I had considered a manual system with separate grinder but this seemed to be pretty good given it is a pod system. Admittedly I havent seen the quality of shots that other machines costing a similar price can produce. My question is, has anyone experienced one of these Nespresso machines and if so how did you find the quality of shots, given my limited experience with machines/comparisons.

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    Personal opinion, Pods suck. At *any price.

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    Ditto that, Javaphile.

    Pods lock you in to the one supplier at great expense. Sure, the system is clean and simple....but is there any substitute for freshly-ground?

    However, with that budget theres nothing left for a grinder, so unless you raid the piggy bank it may be you only option. :(

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    The subject of pods was rasised in an earlier thread:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1127816102

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    Pods are indeed TERRIBLE. Stay away from them.

    If you are after a sub $500 machine then its a little harder to get the machine and grinder for that price. Here you go.... research, and this is a steal, and its new for about $400 - but it means you have to go a bit cheaper on the grinder.
    http://tinyurl.com/dm74j

    Magic price for this machine! Propper portafilter (chromed brass 58mm) like a commercail machine.

    As for the grinder - Id get a cheap one to start if you cant wait (Delongi or something), or stretch the budget. Think youll get a "burr" one (NOT BLADE!) from target or somewhere for round $100, maybe watch on eBay for a second hand one. But if you want something new then youll have to stretch the budget - a LUX (New) at $250 is a good option.


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    Im not going to poo-poo nespresso as much as the other boys. I started my coffee journey with a little sunbeam, then moved to nespresso. Nespresso introduced me to drinkable espresso and for that I am forever thankful.

    Nespresso gives you a consistently good espresso. I would rate the espresso as 6/10. It was low fuss, low mess and a dummy could use it... Let me warn you that the steaming of milk on those machines is a pain.

    I do agree that to move up into the 7-8/10 range you really need to have your own grinder and machine. After the nespresso I switched to a gaggia (around $170 on ebay). And a bottom of the line bur grinder (around $50). This made nice coffee but the espresso was still around 6/10 mostly because I didnt know how to tune the grinder in and the steps were huge.

    I then went nuts spent thousands of dollars, but that is a story for another day.

    I have my nespresso at work so if I want a quick coffee I can just bang a pod in and away I go.

    Let us know which way you decide to go :-).

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    Sorry, I dont really have anything interesting to add, but I would like to jump on the bandwagon and bag pods ;)

    My $0.02, you can get the Iberital Challenge grinder for a little bit more than the Nemox Lux, maybe even for the same price. It is just as loud and messy as the lux, but has a much more satisfactory grind adjustment system for espresso, making it, in my opinion, the absolute minimum for espresso.

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    Do you want to play with coffee or just drink it? If you just want coffee that taste better than instant but not interested in knowing any more, than the pod system would be OK. If you want to go further, you either save up or like me, start with second hand equipment.

    My initial budget was around $500. I bought an Imat Mokita for $200 and a Lux grinder for $250. This setup produced very good espressos and I was able to experiment with different beans and have recently started roasting.

    I have now progressed to a Silvia (also second hand) and a Rocky (new). BTW, if you want a reasonably priced grinder, my Lux is listed on Ebay. I am a one cup a day drinker but I do enjoy tweaking with the machine, and seeing what happens when I change each variable.

    My wife at first thought I was mad spending all this money, but guess what?, this household can no longer drink instant anymore!!

    Im sure youll make the right decision. If not, start all over again!!!

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    My main gripe with pods, is that it locks you in to a very limited range of coffee grounds. That alone would take away a lot of the enjoyment that I get out of drinking coffee, and being part of coffeesnobs.

    I started off with a machine that had a pod adaptor, and could use both normal grounds, and pods. The pods almost always gave me a better cup, but that was because I was using the grounds that was purchased off the shelves of supermarkets.

    When I "discovered" I needed to control the grounds, and started using a coffee grinder, that was when I made real coffee from the machine.

    I am quite sure you dont get Brazilian Cup of Excellence pods, nor Yemeni pods.

    If that does not bother you, then its a very neat and clean system especially for the office, where most of your time should be spent working and not making coffee and cleaning up.

    Try visiting a shop which can demo other non-pod domestic machines, and compare the coffee that is produced to the pod machine.

    I have tried the coffee that came from the nesspresso and my personal opinion is that its not great. The salesperson tried to sell the machine to me on the basis of it being Thermoblock(?), and ease of making coffee.

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1129844239/0#1 date=1129844636
    Personal opinion, Pods suck. At *any price.

    Java "Runs from the Pods" phile
    :) The coffee pods are fantastic and I have hundreds of customers who agree good full flavoured coffee, no messy grinding etc to deal with and with all the different flavours there is something to please everyone(well almost everyone).
    And just to add an additional very cost effective.

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    Hmmm...

    Well, its a pretty old subject being revived, but Ill play!

    McDonalds sell a lot of burgers, but I wouldnt regard them as top shelf.

    Im sure your customers are happy (people in my office swoon at the fact that the instant coffee is supplied for free!), but I think people who have come upon this web site during their research for a better coffee, are not going to be impressed by pod coffee.

    Considering a majority of us roast our own, theres not much hope of pods competing for freshness.

    I was happy with mediocre until I learnt more.

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by susan09@optusnet.c link=1129844239/0#9 date=1180564371
    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1129844239/0#1 date=1129844636
    Personal opinion, Pods suck. At *any price.

    Java "Runs from the Pods" phile
    :) The coffee pods are fantastic and I have hundreds of customers who agree good full flavoured coffee, no messy grinding etc to deal with and with all the different flavours there is something to please everyone(well almost everyone).
    And just to add an additional very cost effective.
    I dont think so Susan...

    Stale coffee is stale coffee... Corporates like to make you think it is... but it is NOT... and if coffee is either Instant "reconstituted brewed coffee" , pre-ground (inc PODs) or roasted 6 months ago... ITS STALE!!

    Sadly, many people dont know any better :(

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    I use a Nespresso.....It makes a great boat anchor ;)

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    Hi Susan,
    Welcome to the forum. As you have seen you probably wont get much (any) support in regards to pods on this site. You will probably find some people who "used" to use pods though. So people will be trying to convert you to see the light of fresh roasted beans that are ground as they are used. I am sure the pods are an improvement over instant etc... But are no match for fresh roasted even in a plunger. Not too many of us are introduced to great coffee at our first cup when we start to drink coffee and all of us have been on a journey up to this point. I am sure you will find a great community of coffee lovers here though to offer advice along to way.

    Where you from maybe we can point you in the direction of a very nice cafe (not somewhere that uses stale coffee, as most do you will find) to see what we are talking about. Or get along to a CS day where you can see how obsessed coffee snobs brew their coffee. If you get the chance I am sure you will see why all the fuss is made, and probably more to come regarding this I am sure.

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    Susan,

    If rating coffee quality depending on source from worst to best my list would be:

    1. Instant coffee (an easy winner)
    2. Any machine using stale beans (beans more than 3 weeks post roast or grounds 3 minutes post grinding) - includes pods which are probably at the better end of this range.
    3. Super automatics using fresh beans (well they were fresh when loaded into the hopper)
    4. Super automatics using fresh beans loaded as required
    5. plunger / french press coffee using freshly ground fresh beans
    6. Automatic machines with freshly ground beans (used as an automatic)
    7. Automatic machines (used manually) and all other machines using freshly ground beans....

    The placement of plunger / french press coffee could be considered equal to coffee produced by those in 7 (depending on taste preference).

    Pods are convenient, not that cost effective and must use stale coffee- regardless of how it is packed - it is stale..... and can never taste as good as real espresso. But for those who only buy stale supermarket beans (especially pre-ground) it probably is a slightly better alternative!

    And if you use the number of satisfied customers as a benchmark of quality and convenience.... instant wins hands down :P :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan09@optusnet.c link=1129844239/0#9 date=1180564371
    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1129844239/0#1 date=1129844636
    Personal opinion, Pods suck. At *any price.

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    :) The coffee pods are fantastic and I have hundreds of customers who agree good full flavoured coffee, no messy grinding etc to deal with and with all the different flavours there is something to please everyone(well almost everyone).
    And just to add an additional very cost effective.
    Hi Susan,

    You have probably already realised that you have just waved a red rag at a bull ;D

    Regarding the cost point, I think that it is delightfully ironic that you would try to cite that on a forum where people buy green coffee beans and roast them themselves. Id love you to elaborate on the cost. Id also be very interested if you could post a high resolution photo of what one of the nespresso pods looks like when you cut it open.

    Regarding flavour, if youre in Melbourne, youre more than welcome to bring a nespresso machine into my cafe and we can make each other coffee to see what were on about.

    Regarding convenience, I am very happy to concede that Nespresso is a very convenient system. It is up to individuals to decide what this is worth to them. Your customers obviously value this very highly. I doubt very much that anyone on this webpage would have the same priorities, but thats how you get a marketplace :)

    It would be very interesting to do a shootout between the Nespresso system and a quality superautomatic machine.

    Cheers,

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by susan09@optusnet.c link=1129844239/0#9 date=1180564371
    :) The coffee pods are fantastic and I have hundreds of customers who agree good full flavoured coffee, no messy grinding etc to deal with and with all the different flavours there is something to please everyone(well almost everyone).
    And just to add an additional very cost effective.
    Anybody who thinks pods produce great coffee has either never had properly brewed fresh roasted coffee or has no tastebuds to differentiate between the two.

    Do they have a market niche with many happy customers? Yes. But so does instant. That doesnt mean either are good coffee.


    Java "Still running from the pods!" phile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1129844239/15#16 date=1180583502

    Do they have a market niche with many happy customers? Yes. But so does instant. That doesnt mean either are good coffee.
    Yep, this is so true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1129844239/0#14 date=1180569946
    1. Instant coffee (an easy winner)
    2. Any machine using stale beans (beans more than 3 weeks post roast or grounds 3 minutes post grinding) - includes pods which are probably at the better end of this range.
    3. Super automatics using fresh beans (well they were fresh when loaded into the hopper)
    4. Super automatics using fresh beans loaded as required
    5. plunger / french press coffee using freshly ground fresh beans
    6. Automatic machines with freshly ground beans (used as an automatic)
    7. Automatic machines (used manually) and all other machines using freshly ground beans....

    The placement of plunger / french press coffee could be considered equal to coffee produced by those in 7 (depending on taste preference).
    Cant agree with your summation on Plunger brewed coffee there JB. The way I make it here at home I would put it at just slightly under the best shot I can pull from my Bezz, and thats a shot with lots of beautiful, rich, dark red crema, not a crap shot ::)

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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1129844239/15#18 date=1180608021
    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1129844239/0#14 date=1180569946
    5. plunger / french press coffee using freshly ground fresh beans

    7. Automatic machines (used manually) and all other machines using freshly ground beans....

    The placement of plunger / french press coffee could be considered equal to coffee produced by those in 7 (depending on taste preference).
    Cant agree with your summation on Plunger brewed coffee there JB. The way I make it here at home I would put it at just slightly under the best shot I can pull from my Bezz, and thats a shot with lots of beautiful, rich, dark red crema, not a crap shot ::)

    Mal.
    Hey Mal,

    Didnt you notice the extra point:

    "The placement of plunger / french press coffee could be considered equal to coffee produced by those in 7 (depending on taste preference)."

    - basically Im saying it can be equal to the best ;)

    Not everyone would agree.... I personally think a good french press is the equal.... but only if you like long blacks....(which I do).... but not much good if you only like espressos, cappuccinos and/or lattes ::)

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    Yes mate,

    Saw that, but seemed to be referring to Autos, which Ive never much fancied to be honest, even when sampling brews from manual/semi-manual operation :-?.

    Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1129844239/15#20 date=1180620877
    Yes mate,

    Saw that, but seemed to be referring to Autos, which Ive never much fancied to be honest, even when sampling brews from manual/semi-manual operation :-?.

    Mal.
    Ahh....

    Im referring to autos (like my La Cimbali M20 operated by the manual pour button - it really is a semi auto in that mode.....) not super autos (like the Jura.... or dare I say Saeco etc which are at 2 and 3).

    The autos using the volumetric feature - IMHO are better for espresso/latte/cappuccino production than a french press.... but certainly not for a long black ;).

    Maybe Id better define the machine types:

    Manual - only brew temperature set by the machine (typical lever machine)

    Semi-Automatic - brew temperature and pressure set by the machine (BZ-35, M20)

    Automatic- brew temperature and pressure plus volumetric dosing set by the machine (M20 Dosatron)

    Super Automatic- brew temperature, pressure, volume of extraction, grind size, volume of grounds and tamp pressure all set by the machine (Jura)

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    I get ya now ;)

    Thought you were referring to Super-Autos truncated to Autos.... Should have known better,

    Cheers,
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    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    OK JavaB, where does a good Moka Pot brew fall in your list of quality?

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    Bill44A,

    The problem with Moka Pots is there are some REALLY good ones.... and a lot that are junk....

    But with good technique (and that of course applies to all "machines" in the list) and a quality Moka Pot - Ive had coffee which was the equal to a high quality semi-automatic machine...... mind you Ive had some which was worse than instant as well - poor quality pot and bad technique!!

    Its very hard to try to scale the quality because Im talking generic categories of machines..... but a quality Moka Pot makes a very nice coffee indeed.

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    In defence of pod systems, you cna get a TERRIBLE cup of coffee from espresso "fresh" coffee as well as pods, so that is not an argument. My wife and I have a KRUPS little one at home, cost $350, has worked fine for 2 years adn we love it. The little Nespresso capsules are always fresh because they are sealed. She has a strong one, I am a medium long coffee, so we can have a variety at home and they are always fresh.
    Reasons to have a pod machine:
    *You dont drink a lot of coffee, so the 70 cents a cup is not a lot of $$.
    * You dont want stale coffee, cos you will have lots of wastage with fresh ground coffee unless you have lots of cups.
    * You dont mind having to buy them from one source; it seems many of you dont like the pods because it is some kind of commercial conspiracy that limits civil liberties.. well kinda like having to buy your Subaru parts from a Subaru dealer... bastards!!! I enjoy the monthly trip to Lonsdale street, a free cuppa, check out the new flavours and buy 60 pods.
    * You dont want a machine that dominates your space.
    * you are old but want good coffee;; I am about to buy a pod machine for my 80 year old parents, as a moving present. They are going to their retirement village and will love their one a day from an easy, auto machine.
    By the way, the taste of the pod coffee is great, according to my wife and I, our friends and Choice magazine that included a couple in their tests two years ago.
    We love a "real " coffee when out, but for home our pod machine is the best choice for us.
    Cheers, Geoff.

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    Good argumets for the pods there Geoff.

    Ive decided to go for the manual espresso machine so I can learn how to pull some decent shots and make quality coffees. I dont mind the mess, the space considerations and perhaps the increased costs of grinders, etc.

    Ive been quite lucky. I nearly will always buy second hand, mostly because I love a bargain! I bought the espresso machine on evil bay, and two grinders from members on this site. The whole lot came to less than $500. How good is that? I also have a plunger and a stove top and will play with those from time to time.

    I guess it comes down to personal preference and convenience. I would prefer to have a pod coffee over an instant any day but probably not over a freshly ground espresso.

    Cheers. Fiery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelbourneGeoff link=1129844239/15#25 date=1186318248
    In defence of pod systems, you cna get a TERRIBLE cup of coffee from espresso "fresh" coffee as well as pods, so that is not an argument.
    Let me draw an analogy with bread. You can make a terrible sandwich with freshly baked bread if you dont know what youre doing; lets say that you put vaseline on it instead of butter, for an extreme perspective. You can also make a terrible sandwich with fresh bread if the bread has been baked badly; eg. if it has been burnt, or if sand has gotten mixed in with the flour.

    Same thing with fresh coffee; you can make a terrible espresso with the best coffee that you can find if you dont know what youre doing; eg. if you grind way too coarse, or if you extract liquid twice from one puck. You can also make terrible espresso from fresh coffee that has been badly roasted and blended; eg. burnt, or poor quality green used.

    If you make a sandwich with stale bread, the stale bread will always have an impact on how good the sandwich tastes, although you might use other great ingredients in it. In the same way, having stale coffee limits how good an espresso you can extract, even if you are the best barista in the world.

    Personally, I wouldnt want to eat a sandwich made with stale bread and I wouldnt want to drink an espresso made with stale coffee. Fresh coffee is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for great espresso. I dont think that anyone ever said that it was a necessary and sufficient condition.

    As for what constitutes "fresh," you said:

    The little Nespresso capsules are always fresh because they are sealed.
    I think that youll struggle to find many people agreeing with that.

    Two propositions are inherent in that statement; (a) the coffee is fresh at the time that it is sealed and; (b) the sealing prevents the contents from becoming stale. I think that both propositions are pretty doubtful:

    (a) Most people will tell you that ground coffee deteriorates within minutes of grinding. Personally, I think that you can probably get a decent espresso out of coffee grounds that have been sitting around for something in the order of twenty minutes or maybe more, but there is a pretty quick drop-off in aromatics, and you would have to adjust your grind to take into account the different behaviour of this coffee. Im sure that its completely gone within a matter of hours.

    I doubt very much that the contents of the nespresso capsules would be sealed immediately upon grinding. Any roaster can have pods made up for them; they just need to grind the coffee, package it, then ship it off to the pod making company. It probably takes a week or two before it is packaged. Maybe Nestle get it done in a day, if they do it all in their own facility. Enough time for the coffee to become stale. Even being generous and presuming that the coffee is ground and then immediately sealed, at the very least, the more volatile aromatics will surely have gone.

    If anyone can point us to videos or photos of Nestles facility, Im sure wed all be interested to see it.

    (b) The Nestle packaging doesnt seem to be revolutionary. You can buy generic pods that are nitrogen flushed. They pour like stale coffee and they taste stale. But that of itself might be more due to factor (a) - the coffee already being stale when packaged. A more directly related scenario is the nitrogen flushing that some roasters are employing. Nitrogen flushed whole bean coffee is probably useable for up to four or maybe even five or six weeks after roasting. It seems to slow the degradation, but it certainly doesnt stop it. If Nestle pods contain ground coffee, it will decay many, many times faster. Nitrogen flushing, vacuum packing, etc, dont stop degradation. Just last week I was speaking to someone from Fosters about preservatives in wine and its exactly the same - even if you could get rid of all of the oxygen, it will still decay.

    It might be useful to return to the bread analogy; would you take a loaf of bread, slice it up, let it sit around for a week, then vacuum pack it and keep it for a month?

    Id imagine that you probably wouldnt notice much difference between recently bought Nespresso pods and ones that have sat around for a few more weeks. My surmise would be that whatever is in there has already become as stale as it is going to become and isnt going to change much more.

    Now none of this is to say that Nespresso doesnt have its own merits. It looks to me to be a lot more convenient, simpler and cleaner than actually grinding up coffee to make your own espresso. (Although I hasten to add that non-proprietary pod systems would probably be equal in those regards, but most of them certainly arent as well marketed or prettily packaged.) But I cant for the life of me see how Nespresso can be equated with espresso competently made using decent equipment and beans within their freshness period. If you like the flavour of Nespresso pods, thats fine, but I dont think that you have a leg to stand on if youre trying to convince me that they are in the same league of freshness and flavour as the messier, more complicated option.

    If you like Nespresso, thats good for you. Stick with it. It certainly has advantages.

    Cheers,

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    MelbourneGeoff,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs,

    I agree 110% with Lucas statements above.....

    If you like the taste of instant coffee - great

    If you like the taste from pod systems - also great....

    But neither comes close to a properly made espresso with freshly roasted, freshly ground beans....

    Sorry, but technology which is currently available cant turn a sows ear into a silk purse..... maybe one day.

    But it hasnt happened yet!

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    Luca is spot on!

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    The only problem with the pod is that they work out to quite an expensive shot compared to their natural competitor International Roast....International Roast comes in the big entertainer commercial range that works out to about 3 cents a cup of coffee, so if your stomach and the little taste buds at the back of the mouth can handle either I would go that over the pod....

    Cheers :)

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    To appreciate why a pod system cant make great espresso you have to understand what does....

    One of the main contributors are the volatile oils which are..... emmm..... volatile!

    Think back to your Chemistry days.... volatile compounds evaporate at room temperature.... and this occurs from the surface of the liquid..

    So with a freshly roasted bean the volatile oils slowly migrate to the surface and evaporate... taking a couple of weeks.

    Ground beans have a far greater surface area and less migration is required.... so the evaporate faster.... a matter of minutes!

    Now if we seal the ground beans in a container..... any container with space in it (basically anything other than compressing the grounds back into a solid bean).... the oils will continue to evaporate until equilibrium between the oils left in the grains and the space is reached.... in fact most will evaporate....

    The other thing which causes degradation is the oxidation of the oils.... which become rancid and give a bad taste to the espresso..... this is caused by oxygen.... and in a pod this has been "flushed out" and replaced by nitrogen.....

    So a pod goes part way to preserving the coffee quality - the coffee wont go off..... but it will be flat and dull due to the lack of volatile oils...

    And that is why pod machines have a form of crema enhancement.... its the volatile oils extracted under pressure and heat - mixed with the carbon dioxide also extracted which produces the crema.... and without these oils (or at least with a drastically reduced level of these oils) there would be very little, if any, crema without enhancement....

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    Lots of technical detail, and this is the place for it. But a top-level view I think everyone will agree with (and one Ive said a number of times before) is:

    If youre satisfied with what youre drinking, thats all that matters.

    Here at CS our aim is getting closer to espresso perfection. Instant coffee, pods and super automatics (at this point in time) cant compete with the manual processes discussed on this site. Does that mean there are no benefits of those options, or that no-one should use them? No. If youre talking just about your personal palate, SUBJECTIVELY, then you alone can be the judge of what suits you. If Susans customers are happy buying pods, regardless of whether the results are good in absolute terms, good luck to them. If youve got a Nespresso and find it works for you then stick with it, regardless of whether its results happen to be better than something else. Its your tastebuds that have to be happy and if they are then why change?

    Of course once we start looking at the subject of espresso quality OBJECTIVELY rather than subjectively, in absolute terms rather than based on invidivuals personal situations, then the frame of reference changes entirely. At this point comments such as pods are fantastic cos theyre clean and my customers like them become both redundant and ignorant of the topic under consideration. Back it up with hard data from experienced tasters and then youll have something to talk about. Given the question in opening post was "how did you find the quality of shots?" from the Nespresso system, the poster was clearly seeking objective information about achievable shot quality, not so much anecdotes about their convenience or sales figures (these may be valid points, but not in this discussion and would be better in a thread of their own).

    CS tends to be at the perfectionist end of the espresso scale results-wise, so systems which produce inferior in-the-cup results will rarely get a good rap. But at the end of the day, each individual has to work out what their individual priorities are and decide accordingly. For some people, espresso quality isnt and isnt likely to appear near the top of the agenda, and in those cases pods or instant will always be better options; but when it comes to espresso quality, theres no substitute for freshly ground and roasted beans, properly prepared quality equipment and a skilled operator.

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    Once I perfect my stasis chamber I shall dominate the coffee universe and pods shall reign supreme. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1129844239/15#27 date=1186320837
    I doubt very much that the contents of the nespresso capsules would be sealed immediately upon grinding.
    Agreed - is it not also correct that fresh coffee freshly ground vents gasses. If nestle were to package fresh ground coffee in a air tight seal the pod would eventually burst from the pressure that would build up from the vented gasses?

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    anthonyd, this is correct!

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    Hes my second crack.

    I love fresh coffee. I own a EM6900 and have made great coffee with it. I have also waisted kilos of good beans because I havent drunk enough coffee, KILOS I tell ya, money down the drain. And being I am not the best coffee maker in the world, my success rate with the 6900 is fair at best. Had some great shots, and some bloody terrible shots. At the end of the day, I cant be bothered with trying to perfect my coffee with the 6900, or any other top of the line machine I could replace it with. And why cant I be bothered?
    Because I also own an Nespresso machine, And I agree whole heartedly that it wont make as good a cup of coffee as the 6900 can, but it also "In MY Opinion" and the ONLY opinion that matters, is the Nespresso does not make a bad cup of coffee, good enough for me to totally ignore my 6900 and drink Nespresso exclusively. Ive got way better things to do than to try and perfect a good shot with the 6900, I really cant be bothered. The Nespresso will give me what I want, when I want it, EVERY TIME. Its my mouth, my taist buds, my choice, and get of your high horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skamp link=1129844239/30#36 date=1186448302
    Hes my second crack.

    I love fresh coffee. I own a EM6900 and have made great coffee with it. I have also waisted kilos of good beans because I havent drunk enough coffee, KILOS I tell ya, money down the drain. And being I am not the best coffee maker in the world, my success rate with the 6900 is fair at best. Had some great shots, and some bloody terrible shots. At the end of the day, I cant be bothered with trying to perfect my coffee with the 6900, or any other top of the line machine I could replace it with. And why cant I be bothered?
    Because I also own an Nespresso machine, And I agree whole heartedly that it wont make as good a cup of coffee as the 6900 can, but it also "In MY Opinion" and the ONLY opinion that matters, is the Nespresso does not make a bad cup of coffee, good enough for me to totally ignore my 6900 and drink Nespresso exclusively. Ive got way better things to do than to try and perfect a good shot with the 6900, I really cant be bothered. The Nespresso will give me what I want, when I want it, EVERY TIME. Its my mouth, my taist buds, my choice, and get of your high horses.
    So, when are you selling the Sunbeam? Ebay awaits you :-)

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    Skamp, this isnt about being on a High Horse as your so describe. Its explaining the differences. If Nespresso floats your boat, good for you. No one is criticising this. Perhaps you need to get off your high horse??

    Remember, this is Coffeesnobs and is named accordingly. If you dont fit that bill all good and well... but dont shoot down this community which IS bothered to take the time with Espresso preparation the best they can with whatever gear they choose/\/can afford to use.

    All professional baristas agree fundumentally on one thing. FRESH COFFEE, freshly ground on demand from "Freshly roasted beans (within a approx 28day span). PODs dont offer this. Are you saying that Baristas are on a High Horse? No, its a standard by which to work from.

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    If Anyone in Canberra wants to buy the 6900 from me for $200, lemme know. Say no to ebay.......:)


    I made a post awhile back explaing to people here that I enjoyed all types of coffee for what they are, be that its instant, fresh or pod. They each have their own taiste, and I enjoy a cup of instant as much as a good cup of fresh coffee, but all I got was "instant is rubbish, fresh is better" yadda, yadda, yadda. It got real boring, real fast, so I stopped coming here. I only popped my head in today out of bordom, and to see the same ol same ol..........

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    Uh Skamp, ditto Marcstolk and take a chill pill. You say:

    "Its my mouth, my taist buds, my choice".

    Take a look at my first post in this thread http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1129844239/32#32 (which sits a whole four posts above yours):

    "If youre satisfied with what youre drinking, thats all that matters."

    Im not sure what youre complaining about... :-?

    Id recommend you take the time to read some of the posts you want to criticise before you start; given you havent addressed any of the very reasonable responses Marcstolk gave you, I suspect you didnt read the others before your initial post.

    For what its worth, I agree with you that all coffees have their own flavour and benefits (instant included), some of which suit my palate and some of which dont. However this discussion as I said is objective by virtue of the opening posters request, for objective information, and in that context we have to talk about the absolute quality of results from the Nespresso and pods in general, not whether what it produces happens to suit your palate versus mine.

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    Yes I did read that Greg, but my complaints are a generalisation.

    A real Coffee snob in my opinion should love all forms of coffee.

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    Bump: just updated my last post which I think is particularly relevant.

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    I love machines :D especially this new one - sorry I dont really have anything to contribute to this discussion Ill go back to my garage now :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skamp link=1129844239/30#41 date=1186452002
    A real Coffee snob in my opinion should love all forms of coffee.
    Mmm, not exactly. Love is a personal thing. I think a real coffee snob should be prepared to consider all forms of coffee, absolutely, be it pod, instant or whatever, but there are unchangeable rules which govern the absolute quality of what comes out (e.g. freshness of beans and grinds), and systems which directly contravene those rules will never produce the same results as those which comply.

    Whether or not an individuals palate prefers one flavour over another is a separate thing altogether. A Grange Hermitage may be a better wine than a $5 house variety, and while most would probably prefer the former, it doesnt *automatically* follow that everyone will, especially if youre the one paying for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1129844239/30#42 date=1186452092
    Bump: just updated my last post which I think is particularly relevant.

    Well in that case, the Nespresso system is the best in its field for what it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skamp link=1129844239/45#45 date=1186452571
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1129844239/30#42 date=1186452092
    Bump: just updated my last post which I think is particularly relevant.

    Well in that case, the Nespresso system its the best in its field for what it does.
    Bravo ! :-)

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    Amen! :) As far as I can say having not used it anyway but its a potentially very valid claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skamp link=1129844239/30#41 date=1186452002
    Yes I did read that Greg, but my complaints are a generalisation.

    A real Coffee snob in my opinion should love all forms of coffee.
    In a word, an emphatic NO.

    CoffeeSnobs is all about GREAT coffee, not mediocrity.... The hardware one uses to obtain the best brew possible, is not as important as the quality of the coffee one uses and the adherence to recognised preparation methods to squeeze out the best attributes from the bean. While Pods are a convenient method to use and possibly better than instant, it will never be great quality coffee. If you dont appreciate great coffee, well, thats fine.... With so many wonderful things available at our fingertips these days, no one person is going to be a connoisseur of everything.

    However, we at CoffeeSnobs unashamedly love GREAT COFFEE and will continue to do what ever it takes to achieve this. This single-minded approach is not for everyone but it is the essential ingredient that binds all of us coffeesnobs together and I dont see that we need to apologise to anyone for that.... Long may we imbibe the best that the humble bean has to offer!

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Skamp says: "I love fresh coffee. I own a EM6900 and have made great coffee with it. I have also waisted The Nespresso will give me what I want, when I want it, EVERY TIME. Its my mouth, my taist buds, my choice, and get of your high horses.[/QUOTE]


    On my high horse the coffee is sweet and the fun preparing and pulling consistently sweet shots (with a very occasional exception, particularly when dialing in a new roast) is great. ;)



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