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    NOT Expobar Minore

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    Hi,

    Every time I read about a new E61 Prosumer type machine it is always an Expobar Minore. For good reason too I might add as the temperature control is very well thought out. It is an improvement for sure on most HX machines which run pretty hot. One exception is my Bezzera BZ-40P I might add which still pleases me greatly.

    I am interested in anyone who has bought a machine in this class ie. prosumer E61 and brand new who DID NOT buy a Minore and why???

    Just curious or am I being a shitstirrer??

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    Grant

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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    My expobar office pulser is a prosumer, e61 (not fully exposed), hx machine. I got it because its basically the same as most other hx, e61 machines, but half the price. (1.7L boiler etc etc)

    Ive been playing with a thermocouple, and tightening up my flushing routine - its pretty stable during the shot, which is nice to know! With no flush, it runs at about 98 degrees, with two flushes (til the boiler light turns on, wait til it goes off, flush til it goes on again) and a short wait (dose, distribute, tamp, insert) it runs at 91-92 degrees. If I give it a slightly longer wait, I get about 94-95.

    I also looked at Isomacs, but the only one I could afford was a zaffiro - which is a silvia with a sexier body and a bigger boiler, IIRC.

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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    Well I am the proud owner of a new La Scala Butterfly. *I looked at the Expo Minore (as well as just about every other HX or double boiler machine available down here in liittle old NZ) but decided against it for a few reasons:

    1. It cost nearly 30% more (or looking at it another way - buying the Butterfly left me with enough cash to get a better grinder and a years supply of coffee for practising!)

    2. IMHO the temp controller of the Minore delivers 2 main benefits: ease of adjustment and consistency. *Ease of adjustment would mainly be a benefit if I frequently changed blends or suppliers (which I dont). *And popular opinion seems to be that achieving consistency with an HX machine is a case of establishing your ritual and practice, practice, practice - this seems to me to be part of the fun.

    3. The La Scala importer is based locally, making servicing etc. potentially easier.

    That said - if money had been no object then I might still have gone for the Minore, so maybe the other reasons above are just excuses for making me feel better about a more budget-conscious purchase! *:)

    Andy


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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    Hey Tunnie,

    How do you like the Butterfly. I have just started looking into it over here in Australia and it seems to have the goods. It is a bit hard to find any real reviews on it and was just curious what you thought of it. It is also only around the $2K mark over here.

    Cheers

    Rosey

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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    Hey Grant,

    Im still with Silvia, but I noticed the Fiorenzato Bricoletta around for $1850 (google it; youll find it). Thats a pretty bloody sensational deal for a new rotary pump machine ... rotary Brewtus ... errr ... Minore must be at least $750 more. Of course, thats only if you want a plumbed in machine ...

    Like Mattyj said, the other expobars are pretty bloody cheap. (Well, relatively ...)

    Cheers,

    Luca
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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    Well I just bought an Expobar Office Leva, and compared to most other HX machines it was cheap. Considering the base Expobar Office sells for around $1200 that makes Expobars good value machines. I bought the office Leva because I liked the look (even though internals are identical to the Office SA) and because I could not justify $2100 on the Minore. If I made 50 - 80 coffees a week I might have bought one but paying an extra $500 for a dual boiler and a digital readout was not worth it for me. I look at things in the following way:

    Office Leva = 1600
    Minore = 2100
    Difference = 500 or a 32% increase in price from the Office Leva

    Now, I dont know about you but if I found a coffee machine that made making espresso a 32% more enjoyable experience / or made the flavour 32% better / or 32% faster, I would be willing to spend the money. In any case, the higher quality you move in the scale, the more money you spend exponentially to performance increase. This was my reasoning for buying the Leva.

    Gee, I think I just convinced myself it was a good idea.....

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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    I am in the (semi) same boat. looking to buy a prosumer machine, but trying to keep it to a reasonable level.

    have been in contact with a place in sydney, can get a ex demo Giotto
    Premium for about 2200, with 4 yr warranty (they were selling a pre-loved on for 1800, but it sold).
    how does this compare to the butterfly?

    also, what are the warm up times etc on these 2. looking for a non-plumbed in one.

    thanks for the advice.....
    dan.

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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    Hi Rosey,

    Alan Frew seems to like the Butterfly and has quite detailed reasons why. You might want to look at :-
    http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/butterfly.html


    Bruce

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    Re: NOT Expobar Minore

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    In this class of machine (reasonably large boiler, hx, e61 group), theyre all much the same. There will be some minor differences with internal design, some are easier to work on than others (the expobar office pulser is a PITA to open up, making pstat adjusting too hard for me). But they all operate the same.

    I went for the expobar because it was so cheap, and came with good service from my vendor (thatll keep FC and his vednor rant happy!).

    That said, things to look out for are:
    - ball-joined steam arms: these make life easier ... isomacs arent ball jointed, they just point in one direction, and youve gotta live with it. A ball joint means you can position the arm in a sopt that suits you best.
    - ecm giotto premiums come with an insulated steam arm: cleaning is much easier (sometime mid next year, expobar will make a insulated steam arm available to swap over with the stock arm. Well thats what Im told anyhoo).
    - some internals are better than others. Apparently ecms guts are nickel plated or something like that.



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