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    Another start up request

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    :-/ [smiley=undecided.gif] *Hi! I would appreciate any guidance regarding purchase of reliable Prof 2 gp expresso for Cafe/restaurant. *Would consider buying new machine IF it was highly regarded but how do you get past all the sales pitch? *Auctions are good but of course never know about its history.

    Has anyone views on the Grean Bean Roaster - thinking of roasting Ethiopian green beans but in West Aust. the Roaster seems to have had made limited impact on market? Is this due to distance from supplier or anything else that could be prob. *thanks *Ethiobean!

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    Re: Another start up request

    Hi Ethiobean,

    Welcome to the forum..for your first request...if you wait a a day or so, some of the folk who deal in these machines should come on and offer you good advice..they are in the business...

    But for the second, I am not quite sure which roaster you mean....


    Cheers,

    Chris

    P.S. But why limit yourself to Ethiopean beans (excellent though they may be :)) There is a lot of great coffee out there to be roasted!

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    Re: Another start up request

    Hi Ethiobean,

    In relation to a commercial 2 group coffee machine, What is your budget?

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    Re: Another start up request

    Hello Ethiobean, welcome to this Forum.

    With regard to your request for advice for professional set up:

    Re USED equipment:
    Auctions are NOT the place for anyone going into the cafe business to pick up espresso machines. That is where all the machines that are being pensioned off go. You dont want one of those in a place where you are trying to earn a living.

    I suggest you look at an experienced equipment trader local to your area where you can view machineS in person and see running and get service (before and after sales).

    With used equipment, the idea is you buy a machine that was demonstrated to you to work as intended, complete of all its parts, in clean and good condition, before you buy that very machine & arrange delivery & connection. The "guarantee" should atleast cover it working properly at the time of connection, if nothing else. Which means it is to be demonstrated to you to be working properly before the fitter leaves and you lose any opportunity to put up your hand.....

    If the trader is reputable, I cant see you should have anything to worry about particularly once you have seen the thing running a good coffee has been produced with it.

    Re new equipment:
    There is a lot of non sensical brand junkie-ism happening at the moment. There are some very very good espresso machines out there....a reputable trader will have a demo on the bench, and you only need to be concerned with ability to get local service, not with technical mumbo jumbo. After its ability to produce good coffee, look at the standard of build/ finish as it is indicative of whether you are paying top dollar for a cheapie.

    If you are in an "isolated" location, you also want to know the machine is relatively conservative (simple) in its design, but built well with top quality components.

    Only know a little about "Green Bean Roaster" but with regard to your question on impact in the market may I suggest that is a highly specialised field to be in, in a market where there is only small population / turnover. You have to be brave to go into something like that, know your market very well, and perhaps have a very very good level of backing capital up your sleeve and be prepared to pay top dollar for a location where you will pull the crowds.

    Re basing your business around ethiopian coffee. I am not sure the market is ready for that kind of character in their coffee.

    Just some thoughts.

    Good luck,

    FC.

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    Re: Another start up request

    Hi! *We are probably looking around the $4,500 - 5,000! * ::) & maybe a bit more by the prices in WA. *Not sure if Eastern States are better value. Maybe "bulk" sales allows better price for the East. *Any ideas! thanx

    We would not be looking at roasting all our beans and we agree that it would be better to blend with the Ethiopian bean. * Or maybe someone has thoughts on a blend already known & they can recommend. *

    I appreciate the concerns with roasting, very difficult and needing good training & experience. *I spose we are looking at some point of difference here and think that roasting in small amounts for our own purpose would bring in additional customers. *

    WA seems to have quite a few cafe/restaurants that do not stay in business very long (unfortunately for cafe owners) & *some of the espresso machines end up in the auctions. *But clearly the after sales service & support provided is vital in initial set up and with any future repairs. * We were looking at a San Marino but the salesman was trying to push a "blue" Saeco Aromo SE200 - $3850 incl gst plus $330 installation inc filter.

    Thanks for the feedback - it can be a bit difficult getting "real" info when other proprietors feel that you are potential competition. * *Any advice from the field is much appreciated. * :)

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    Re: Another start up request

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    If you are going to roast any coffee at all in your business you have to remember that this needs to be incorporated into your "pitch". ie if you are going to roast, are you going to do it in view of the clients, and is it part of the image you want to portray because.............it is nonsense for a "regular" cafe business that is already busy dispensing food and doing all the regular cafe things, to introduce roasting into the equation...it would just end up giving you more work to do for little apparent gain....in which case it is much less complicated to buy good freshly roasted coffee through the "regular" channels so that you can concentrate on running the cafe.

    Cafes that buy one of these bench top roasters to supply their own coffee for their regular cafe dont seem to last very long.....maybe it is because they are not really trying to make it a point of difference...in many cases they think that the roasting part of it will bring more clients...but in the main they are just another cafe, many of them not in really good locations, where all they are doing is saving a little money on the raw material of coffee...but if the cafe doesnt work overall as a cafe, the savings (due to roasting your own) on the small turnover of coffee are not enough to make small business viable.

    So I feel you need to incorporate (the roasting) into the image of the business you are trying to establish which my I add, will be different to the regular type of cafe business where an oz cafe is nothing more than an eatery with a coffee machine.......you are talking about some kind of "coffee business" where your own freshly roasted product is a focal point rather than just the same ol same ol italian focaccia washed down with a brown milk drink & 2 sugars made by a young waiter and called "coffee".........so you are talking about *a niche business, and you will need to get real interested in coffee itself & coffee roasting & blending real quick...

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    It appears to me for it to be a conflict iof interest for saeco australia to be at once the exclusive importer of san marino machines, and at the same time plug their own brand.........maybe this explains the cheap price on the new saeco. Never having seen inside one of these, I dont know what it might be like from the point of view of it giving good reliable service over a period but remember a good rule of thumb and that is: you are likely to get better service from a coffee supplier that also sold you the coffee machine & grinder, than from a company that sells only equipment and not coffee. The coffee suppliers best interest is served by catering to your service problems ikmediately otherwise he loses coffee sales or you lose faith in him and go elsewhere for your coffee......... an equipment supplier that does not sell coffee might be a lot less likley to jump to attention to attend to your needs...and may be more lilely to just place you in the queue after joe bloggs dish washer repair....

    Think about it.

    Regardz,
    FC.




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