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    I killed my Silvia

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    This is partly a whinge, partly a question. * :P

    I have CFS, which leaves my powers of concentration something to be desired. * :( *Because of this, twice now, I have left Silvia on, when I finished making coffee. *:-[ Both times, the steamer was on as well.

    I could kick myself – I remembered to clean the spout after steaming the milk, I just didn’t turn it off. *The first time I had visitors, the second time I was running late for a meeting. *Both times, Silvia was dead next time I went to use it. *All lights on, not heating. *:(

    First time, I was lucky enough to have a visitor who helped cart her down the stairs (and was still around to cart her back up) *I took her to the coffee shop around the corner where I bought her. *He said he will have a look, to see if he could fix her or it needs to go to the doctors. *Rang me half an hour later that she just needed to be reset. *I said, why didn’t I think of that – I could have done that. *He said no, it needs to be taken apart to do that.

    This time I wasn’t so lucky. *It happened Friday. *I made my morning coffee, didn’t get home until about 4, which is when I discovered it was still on, but it was no longer heating. *No volunteers to cart her down the stairs (no fun when you have tennis elbow and carpal tunnel). *When I got there, he said he couldn’t look at her, was short staffed. *So, no coffee machine all weekend. *:(

    Just phoned them, it is fixed, so I presume it needed a reset again.

    Now, for my questions. *

    Is it normal for this to happen? *Or is there some underlying fault? *After all, it is supposed to be OK to leave it on to warm up (realising of course, that one wouldn’t leave the steamer to “warm up” *;D). *And if it is normal, is it really that hard to reset it? *I’m presuming that I may do this again (although I’ll try very hard not to *:D) so I don’t want to have to cart it down the stairs and back again each time (and although he didn’t charge the first time, he probably will, this time)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy link=1148872402/0#0 date=1148872402
    This is partly a whinge, partly a question. * :P

    I have CFS, which leaves my powers of concentration something to be desired. * :( *Because of this, twice now, I have left Silvia on, when I finished making coffee. *:-[ Both times, the steamer was on as well.

    I could kick myself – I remembered to clean the spout after steaming the milk, I just didn’t turn it off. *The first time I had visitors, the second time I was running late for a meeting. *Both times, Silvia was dead next time I went to use it. *All lights on, not heating. *:(

    First time, I was lucky enough to have a visitor who helped cart her down the stairs (and was still around to cart her back up) *I took her to the coffee shop around the corner where I bought her. *He said he will have a look, to see if he could fix her or it needs to go to the doctors. *Rang me half an hour later that she just needed to be reset. *I said, why didn’t I think of that – I could have done that. *He said no, it needs to be taken apart to do that.

    This time I wasn’t so lucky. *It happened Friday. *I made my morning coffee, didn’t get home until about 4, which is when I discovered it was still on, but it was no longer heating. *No volunteers to cart her down the stairs (no fun when you have tennis elbow and carpal tunnel). *When I got there, he said he couldn’t look at her, was short staffed. *So, no coffee machine all weekend. *:(

    Just phoned them, it is fixed, so I presume it needed a reset again.

    Now, for my questions. *

    Is it normal for this to happen? *Or is there some underlying fault? *After all, it is supposed to be OK to leave it on to warm up (realising of course, that one wouldn’t leave the steamer to “warm up” *;D). *And if it is normal, is it really that hard to reset it? *I’m presuming that I may do this again (although I’ll try very hard not to *:D) so I don’t want to have to cart it down the stairs and back again each time (and although he didn’t charge the first time, he probably will, this time)
    Judy- the behaviour is normal for the machine as the boiler does not have an auto-fill function. The reset is simple and we could show you how to do it in the next CS gathering....NB never poke around in a "live" machine...i.e always unplug it....

    Might I suggest that its a good idea not to forget to turn the machine off if it will be idle for some time as you have been lucky so far. Usually it will only be a matter of a reset...however, one day the element will go and then youre looking at the best part of $250-300 to replace the boiler and its fixed element...Beware!

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1148872402/0#1 date=1148888248
    Might I suggest that its a good idea NOT to forget to turn the machine off if it will be idle for some time as you have been lucky so far. Usually it will only be a matter of a reset...however, one day the element will go and then youre looking at the best part of $250-300 to replace the boiler and its fixed element...Beware!

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    Hi Judy,

    I can sympathise with your predicament. A couple of strokes a few years ago have left me with Short Term Memory and Concentration problems that usually frustrate the hell out of me for remembering to follow-through on the simplest of day to day tasks. As a result, I have discovered that I need to develop routines for all these tasks, including brewing my espressos.

    I just practise them (the tasks) until theyre down pat and then never deviate.... unless some change to hardware or sequence dictates the necessity to review the routine. Im not saying you have to go to these lengths as my situation is quite extreme, but maybe just developing and practising mental check-lists for these sorts of things will reduce their recurrence.

    The doctor has now left the building.....

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    Judy,
    The safety thermostat isnt meant to be used as a quasi switch and only has a limited life span. It will fail one day and if it does, youll be up for a new thermostat, element, and most likely a new boiler as well.
    My suggestion is to make post it notes or a label maker your friend. Stick the label or post it in an appropriate part of the machine to remind you to turn it off ;).
    Hope this helps.

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    Judy,
    why dont you purchase a powerpoint timer thingymahgiggy..
    i have one that turns on at 6am and then turns off at 9am
    too easy.
    you can override it when you need to and have it turn on and off when ever you want. cheap as from Mr Bunning.!

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    All good suggestions gang! Anything to save the cost of a new boiler and other bits... ;) Thats the best thing about this place...

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    Re: I killed my Silvia

    A bit off topic , but I just have to express my surprise:

    In a shop I recently saw a standard Silvia for sale with a price tag of almost $960!!

    What the??

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1148872402/0#2 date=1148908440

    I can sympathise with your predicament. A couple of strokes a few years ago have left me with Short Term Memory and Concentration problems that usually frustrate the hell out of me for remembering to follow-through on the simplest of day to day tasks. As a result, I have discovered that I need to develop routines for all these tasks, including brewing my espressos.

    I just practise them (the tasks) until theyre down pat and then never deviate.... unless some change to hardware or sequence dictates the necessity to review the routine. Im not saying you have to go to these lengths as my situation is quite extreme, but maybe just developing and practising mental check-lists for these sorts of things will reduce their recurrence.

    The doctor has now left the building.....

    Mal.
    I also get myself into routines with these sort of things, which works great until someone or something interrupts my concentraton. This time for instance, all it took was me glancing at the clock while cleaning the spout, and thinking "oh s**t, Im late". Seems, I fogot to turn it off, just picked up the coffee and ran to the bedroom with it to finish dressing :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovey link=1148872402/0#3 date=1148966427
    My suggestion is to make post it notes or a label maker your friend. Stick the label or post it in an appropriate part of the machine to remind you to turn it off ;).
    Hope this helps.
    I think the post-it would need to be stuck to the middle of my forehead ;D Normally, it is like a reflex thing, I clean the spout, open the valve to let the pressure out and turn it off. Even turn it off at th power point. Except when I get rudely interrupted by my brain. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1148872402/0#4 date=1148970410
    Judy,
    why dont you purchase a powerpoint timer thingymahgiggy..
    i have one that turns on at 6am and then turns off at 9am
    too easy.
    you can override it when you need to and have it turn on and off when ever you want. cheap as from Mr Bunning.!
    Hey, thats a great idea! Thank you very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1148872402/0#5 date=1148970603
    All good suggestions gang! Anything to save the cost of a new boiler and other bits... ;) Thats the best thing about this place...

    C

    Yes, I agree! Than you very much, everyone! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy link=1148872402/0#9 date=1149079003
    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1148872402/0#4 date=1148970410
    Judy,
    why dont you purchase a powerpoint timer thingymahgiggy..
    i have one that turns *on *at *6am and then turns *off at 9am
    too easy.
    you can override it when you need to and have it turn on and off when ever you want. cheap as from Mr Bunning.!
    Hey, thats a great idea! *Thank you very much!
    I find it really helpfull too..
    the only thing is sometimes its too helpful and i wil arrive home to a still packed basket, and group handle in the head..

    did you find yourself a timer...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1148872402/0#11 date=1149124912

    did you find yourself a timer...?
    Not yet, only read the post last night ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1148872402/0#11 date=1149124912

    I find it really helpfull too..
    the only thing is sometimes its too helpful and i wil arrive home to a still packed basket, and group handle in the head..
    Funnily enough, I have never done that! :D Possibly because I start cleaning the head while waiting for the steamer to come to temperature.

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    ;D , im normally trying to find my steaming jug at that point... fridge, freezer, drying rack, dirty dishes pile..... or still next to silvia from the day before..?!?!? ;D

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    Because I 1)break things and 2)cant fix things, Ive been neglecting my Faema Family and my vacpots and giving more attention to the unbreakable Aeropress. Even the paper filters last through many brews. Lately, Ive been bending the rules: using a coarser grind with higher temp, (90C), longer steeps and more coffee to make long blacks that arent the same as espresso or vacpot but very good. When the last Cona is broken and the Faema expires I may just keep on Aeropressing for a while. Mind you, if youve just got to have espresso, then I dont think the Aeropress will satisfy, but if you want a sweet strong brew thats clear and brings out the individual bean, the Aeropress can do that. The only other device I couldnt do without would be a Shark kettle for varying temperature. Im surprised theres only one kettle on the retail market like it.

    Does that help?

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    CRAP...!
    after giving Judy advise earlier, yesterady i overrode my timer (it had just switched off) to make a coffee and rushed off to work.
    Left silvia running with steam switch on.

    Can someone help me through the process of resetting the thermostat.
    i cant go another morning without her.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1148872402/15#16 date=1150845667
    CRAP...!
    after *giving Judy advise earlier, yesterady i overrode my timer (it had just switched off) to make a coffee and rushed off to work.
    Left silvia running with steam switch on.

    Can someone help me through the process of resetting the thermostat.
    i cant go another morning without her.

    Cheers
    KoNG
    Kong, switch off your machine and unplug it- then take the top off, and you will see that there are 3 thermostats inside on the boiler. *One has a red button on it--its the "high limit trip" thermostat (look between the terminals). *I think its the one on the front of the boiler if I remember correctly. *VERY CAREFULLY push it back in with the tip of a screwdriver. *They break off easily, and you dont want to have to replace the boiler $$$$$$$.

    Good luck!

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    Great stuff 2mcm...
    ill take her top off when i get home.!
    do i need to take the terminal connectors off like in the picture.? or is that piccy from something else.?

    youve got me nervous with the "be carefull" bit... thats jinxed me for sure. :D

    thanx for the guidance.
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    No need to remove the connectors Kong- Youll be able to reset the little red one with the tip of a small screwdriver...

    2mcm

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    OPERATION complete...! thanx 2mcm.
    ill just point out, even though it is obvious once you have a good look.
    That is NOT the red button on the top thermostat you can see in the photo (not that 2mcm said it was). The actual button is (as 2mcm mentioned) on the FRONT thermostat, under the terminal connector with the black wire.
    Just thought id point this out for anyone that is a little technically challenged like me.

    Beers
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1148872402/15#16 date=1150845667
    CRAP...!
    after *giving Judy advise earlier, yesterady i overrode my timer (it had just switched off) to make a coffee and rushed off to work.
    Left silvia running with steam switch on.

    Can someone help me through the process of resetting the thermostat.
    i cant go another morning without her.

    Cheers
    KoNG
    Well, I have to say, I am please that Im not alone in the forgetfullnes stakes. ;D Im glad you fixed it OK. Must keep this post should I do it again (hopefully not)

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    Is that little thing you reset sposed to have popped out a bit like a powerboard reset button where it "clicks " back in place?
    whats longest time Silvia can be left unattended?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullo link=1148872402/15#22 date=1181555590
    Is that little thing you reset sposed to have popped out a bit like a powerboard reset button where it "clicks " back in place?
    whats longest time Silvia can be left unattended?
    No not really- the distance it moves must be tiny- imperceptable...

    2mcm

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    that doesnt sound good, I was told it would take minimum 18mins to bring temp up but not to proper brewing temp. I havent been able to use her since Friday morning as I injured myself walking down stairs at a shopping centre and totally stuff ed on my right side, so my partner in crime been learning to make coffee today, (I cant tamp at all) I watched her do the shot and it went normal, turned on steam switch came back a few minutes later and she when to purge the steam of water and nothing comes out. Since then its not putting out hot water at all. Weve taken top cover off and tried resetting that switch and Im thinking it s not heating up...
    Can things get any worse, going potty is painful(right arm not working thing) constant pain(cant work) and now Silvias not working...

    Someone shoot me now :(

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    help! :(

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    Sullo,

    To help the gurus here can you let them know if all others functions work ok. i.e can you still run water thru the group and the steam wand, just not hot water?

    If the element is blown I believe there is a continuity check that can be done (with it unplugged). I remember a post about it a while back where you check the resistance across the element. High/infinite resistance means blown element.

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    water comes out group head with switch one, water comes thru steam wand on switch two with valve open, but no heat so nothing on third option...
    just no heat... thinking shes gone out in sympathy with me or something.

    *insert wailing here*

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    Sullo,

    I believe the Silvia has a thermal cutout.... if the boiler gets too hot it cuts power to the element.

    I think it has to be manually reset and is one of three "thermostats" on the boiler.... I assume with a little reset button.

    You would need to remove the lid (with power off of course ::)) and check it out.

    See:

    http://www.jlhuffordmania.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=24&forum_id=6

    for details.

    Good luck!!

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    did the reset switch thing twice for ggod measure still no joy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullo link=1148872402/15#29 date=1181560243
    did the reset switch thing twice for ggod measure still no joy
    Hmm- if that doesnt bring it to life, I reckon its either electrical (unlikely) or boiler (exxy $$$)

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    Im wondering why it would, its never left online unused for long periods, religiously topped with water, and I treat it better then I treat myself!
    Well looks like no good coffee again till I can drive over to Bondi to take back to DiBs. I think its only close to a month old.. New version too..
    This is going to be a long slow painful rehab.
    Whatabout the continuity thing Mr Mach mentioned Chris?

    thanks for replying guys to really appreciate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoNG link=1148872402/15#20 date=1150941224
    OPERATION complete...! thanx 2mcm.
    ill just point out, even though it is obvious once you have a good look.
    That is NOT the red button on the top thermostat you can see in the photo (not that 2mcm said it was). The actual button is (as 2mcm mentioned) on the FRONT thermostat, under the terminal connector with the black wire.
    Just thought id point this out for anyone that is a little technically challenged like me.

    Beers
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    Sullo,

    Before giving up, please check this response from KoNg.
    I had a Silvia previously and had to do this reset thing once. I had to re-read this post (and look at the pic) a few times before I actually got the reset button. There is anotehr little red nub in there (from memory) which was the first thing I was aiming for and it was not the reset switch.

    Apologies if you have already done this, but just in case...

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    thanks

    checking now

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    this is only one I can see seems to be solid lil red nubb thing


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    Geez Sullo....

    My eyes arent that good !!! Got a magnifying glass ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D

    Edit: thats a better size :)

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    there two thermo fuse looking things look the same as the ones on a fuser assembly ona ricoh photocopiers fuser?

    still no joy with her as yet

    thanks again for the replies and help

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1148872402/30#35 date=1181561969
    Geez Sullo....

    My eyes arent that good !!! Got a magnifying glass ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D

    Edit: thats a better size :)
    was trying to keep filesize down :(

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    Yep, thats the reset.... well the same as the one in the link on the thread I posted.

    Mmmm pushed it real hard? Because if thats not the problem looks like the boiler has died as Chris said :( :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1148872402/30#38 date=1181562167
    Yep, thats the reset.... well the same as the one in the link on the thread I posted.

    Mmmm pushed it real hard? Because if thats not the problem looks like the boiler has died as Chris said :( :(
    well I cant understand what Ive done to blow the boiler, Im religious on this thing, today was first day anyone else was allowed to touch it and if Im going to be up for a new boiler then its a big case of not happy jan.
    is the diff between new and old version anything to do with boiler or just the drip tray?

    and yep did a few times different pressure , last one was good as you suggested

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    Miss Silvia missed your TLC and decided to throw in the towel. ;)

    As far as Im aware there are no changes to the boiler between yours and the earlier model. Yours just has an adjustable OPV and a few cosmetic changes... and takes PODS. :P :P

    Good luck... I hope its something simple (and cheap to fix).

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    if physio doesnt fix me tomorrow and Im off longer then I wanna be and no Silvia or a way to drive, this is going to be a bad week

    sorry meds arent working Im in a lotta pain and this just isnt helping matters, now Im venting.... [smiley=angry.gif]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Macchiato link=1148872402/15#26 date=1181558310
    Sullo,

    To help the gurus here can you let them know if all others functions work ok. i.e can you still run water thru the group and the steam wand, just not hot water?

    If the element is blown I believe there is a continuity check that can be done (with it unplugged). I remember a post about it a while back where you check the resistance across the element. High/infinite resistance means blown element.
    anyone know how to do this and what points, Im a technician of sorts and have DMM at hand..

    help me obi wan kenobi! :(

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    I think you put the DMM on both the + and - on the element? or the wire leading to it not quite sure.

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    Re: I killed my Silvia

    Sullo,

    WITH THE MACHINE UNPLUGGED FROM THE POWER!!!

    there are two ceramic insulators at the top of the boiler (with connectors attached).... these are the ends of the element.

    Place your DMM on a low ohms range and measure between these two ends....

    Post the value of resistance you measure.

    Java "Luke the power is with you" B

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    no resistance or even continuity!!!!!!!!
    and to check was working I removed the plug and put probes on same metal tag and got cont but between tow pole NOTHING.

    now Im getting a bit concerned, without a circuit diagram Im not going to probe any further unles I know where Im probin

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    Element rest in peace!

    You have had a short and somewhat heated life..... but you have now gone to a better place.....

    Not nice (or cheap) :( :( :(

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    Re: I killed my Silvia

    Java, ut if the water resovior has never been dry and both tubes in res are always immersed how can a boiler cark it in only 3-4 weeks of use?
    Im totally at a loss here.

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    Production fault in the element quite possibly....

    Even if it ran out of water, the element shouldnt fail (thats why they have the over temp cutout).

    So Id say its nothing you have done..... just bad luck you got a faulty heater.

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    Re: I killed my Silvia

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    sorry typos a plenty in pain and now pi$$ed as hell at this machine.
    Apologies in advance guys



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