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    Silvia vs laScala butterfly

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    I am new to espresso machines, and want to buy a new one. :). I have read a number of reviews on the Rancilio Silvia and it seems to be a very good machine for someone like myself who will probably make 2 cups in the morning for breakfast and maybe a couple at night after dinner.

    I have also read about the laScala butterfly and it is beautifully built with quality parts and also looks fantastic, but may be a bit excessive for my expected usage......

    Q. - Is it really worth the extra A$1300 (approx)? :-/
    Alternatively is there any other machine out there for A$700 (approx) better than the Silvia?
    Basil

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    Re: Silvia vs laScala butterfly

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil link=1152331636/0#0 date=1152331635
    I am new to espresso machines, and want to buy a new one. *:). I have read a number of reviews on the Rancilio Silvia and it seems to be a very good machine for someone like myself who will probably make 2 cups in the morning for breakfast and maybe a couple at night after dinner.

    I have also read about the laScala butterfly and it is beautifully built with quality parts and also looks fantastic, but may be a bit excessive for my expected usage......

    Q. - Is it really worth the extra A$1300 (approx)? *:-/
    Alternatively is there any other machine out there for A$700 (approx) better than the Silvia?
    Basil
    ok.....I guess it all depends whether you want apples or oranges. A semi-commercial heat exchanger machine will allow you to texture milk whenever you like- in addition to being more temperature stable than a silvia which is a domestic boiler machine- but a heat exchenger machine will cost you anywhere between $1.3k and $2.5k or so depending on what you want...and you WILL need to purchase a good grinder also- think realistically $400 or so upwards. A Silvia will produce a great shot and texture well if used with care- but you will have to wait to allow the boiler to heat between your shot and milk texture event. It may be time for some research ;)

    A number of site sponsors- including ourselves (Talk Coffee) and Cosmorex can assist when youre ready to buy...

    Chris


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    Re: Silvia vs laScala butterfly

    Please dont take chris comments to mean that the silvia does not need a very good grinder. You will need a very good grinder no matter what you buy.

    The La Scala and similar machines are MUCH easier to use than a silvia. Night and day. Apples and oranges.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: Silvia vs laScala butterfly

    Chris & Luca, thanks for the advice. Grinders was going to be the next topic, but there is a lot to research on the espresso machines first.
    Cheers, Basil

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    Re: Silvia vs laScala butterfly

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    Hi Basil,

    Can I just add, get a good grinder first, because you will need it.

    And not trying to take anything away from 2MCM and lucas comments,
    just my 5c worth.

    Some of us have looked at budget (and other) constraints and yes a heat exchanger machine would be nice....(great even),
    but Silvia really is more affordable, and the wait to get to steam temperature is not that bad in a domestic situation, (2 drinks typical),
    (On the other hand, if you were in a situation where you were frequently making several (say 4-6) drinks at same time then the extra $$ for a heat exchanger machine wouldnt be such an issue)

    Having siad that Silvia will do 4 drinks easily, 2 x 2 shot pours and then use a 1 litre jug to steam the milk for all 4, (in about the same total time it would take to make 2 lattes using a thermoblock machine), once you get the hang of it.

    On temperature stability, it is not that hard, or expensive to connect a thermocouple from a Digital Multimeter to the top of the boiler in Silvia and then its relatively easy to pour your shots starting from a common temp range which will consistently give you close to optimum brew temp.
    Still not ultimately as good as a decent heat exchanger machine, but even they have their foibles.

    Ultimately only you can decide whether the more expensive heat exchanger machine is worth the significant extra initial cost for you,
    unless you know you can taste the difference., but please dont skimp on the grinder.

    Regards
    Bullitt



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