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    $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Home machine. *Max 4-6 cups at a time. Normally 1 or 2 at a time.

    Mainly cap/latte. Milk froth quality important.

    Looking at Sunbeam Cafe Barista EM8800

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    Saeco Magic Roma Automatic

    http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/saeco-magic-roma-automatic-espresso-coffee-machine/

    Thoughts on the two? *Other suggestions?

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    What about a preloved Silvia? ;)

    Seriously, there is usually one here for sale and theyre always very well loved and cared for by coffee snobs!

    My personal belief is that buying a Sunbeam might be great pricewise but I own a Rancilio who make commerical machines whereas Sunbeam doesnt (to my knowledge). So I guess what I am trying to say is that if you are going to be purchasing a machine because you want to make yourself a decent cup of coffee at home, you should consider buying a machine that at least has some resemblance to a commerical machine. Even though the Sunbeam has had a professional barista help design it, I still dont think this is the same as a company that is making commercial machines all the time!

    My 5 cents (seasonally adjusted)...

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    What about a Napolitana, not sure what theyre worth these days?
    Makes a decent shot and with some patience microfoam is possible.

    Ive got one at home with the in built grinder that doesnt see much use as i dont have time for it, I may put it up for sale.

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    I can manage a Silvia for $750 from ebay stores if that is best option.

    What are peoples thoughts on this?

    Is the Silvia a better option over the Saeco and Sunbeam???

    What about the Mikota ???

    http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/comparison.html


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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3decks link=1156751297/0#3 date=1156754255

    Is the Silvia a better option over the Saeco and Sunbeam???
    What about the Mikota ???
    The Silvia is a FAR better option than the other two :)

    Mikota (actually spelled Mokita) arent bad, but Id go for the Silvia personally.

    Get a good machine and you WILL get far better coffee (and less problems).... but you will need a good grinder if you want to make good coffee with any machine...

    Old, stale preground coffee just doesnt cut it Im afraid :(

    Do you already have a grinder?

    Edit: Just realised after reading the next post :-[ that the Sunbeam and Saeco models you are looking at are super autos.... They will never produce the quality of coffee you will get from a Silvia.... but the Silvia requires more skill (and time) to get the great coffee.

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Gday 3decks and welcome to the forums.
    The two machines you have mentioned in your initial post fall into the super auto class of machines, ie they grind, dose, tamp, extract and froth the milk for you at the touch of a button.
    If this is the type of machine youre after, a Sivia or Mokita wont be what youre looking for.
    You have to decide on what type of machine you want, ie a manual, semi auto, or super auto.
    You cant compare a Sunbeam 8800 with a Silvia, as theyre totally different machines, its like comparing apples with oranges.
    Hope this helps.

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    To add to Loveys point above, if youre contemplating Silvia you have to decide do you like apples, or do you like oranges. *Sunbeam (any of them) and Silvia are miles apart - but remember, you MUST have a grinder to team with Silvia, so thats going to alter your budget vs outlay equation!
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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3decks link=1156751297/0#3 date=1156754255
    I can manage a Silvia for $750 from ebay stores if that is best option.

    What are peoples thoughts on this?

    Is the Silvia a better option over the Saeco and Sunbeam???

    What about the Mikota ???

    http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/comparison.html

    The Silvia IMO, is a far better option than the Sunbeam and Saeco. It has a boiler for a start. The Sunbeam is a thermoblock and this is not as good for temperature, as others have talked ad infinitum on this site. Do yourself a favour and have a quick look at other topics on these machines!

    The coffeeco article is excellent in showing you and describing precisely the difference between the Rancilio Silvia and the Mokita. Just looking at the comparison between the portafillers says it all to me.

    Im a Rancilio Silvia fan. Biased perhaps but I also took my time on deciding where I was going to spend my hard earned dough. I probably surprised a few here by not buying the big HX machine but I just cant justify that kind of dough for the two coffees a day that are drunk at home. Im a professional barista, I spend all day behind a machine up to five days a week! So, I get most of my fix at work as you can probably imagine!

    I did have a Sunbeam and it served its purpose well. But I outgrew it quickly with knowledge and skills and when it came time to upgrade I am glad after doing the legwork, I settled on the Silvia. A friend of mine has the big twin thermoblock Sunbeam, and even he still cant outdo me on the Silvia or the commercial machine!! (well, thats what he tells me. :P)

    Get out and find a Rancilio dealer in your area. Have a good look at the Silvia in the flesh! You will see what they mean by built like a tank!

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    My $0.02

    Check with the site sponsors.

    Enough posters here tell you to steer clear of evilbay and Id like to add my horrendous experience with DealsDirect. If something goes wrong they dont want to know about you. >:(

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    3decks,

    i too was in your position a few days ago, wanted to spend 600-1000 dollars for a coffee machine. After hours of searching the web and reading articles/reviews here was going to buy a saeco magic delux.

    thats when i found just how helpful the site sponsors are here, after talking to chris from talk coffee he managed to dispell any fears i had in purchasing a silvia(was a bit concerned after reading here how finicky it was ie temp surf this, updose here etc,etc,)

    anyways decided on silvia/rocky combo(bit more than i wanted to spend) last week and it arrived on thursday about lunch time.
    Made the mistake of not listening to chris and buying some cheap beans from woolies to try.(bad mistake) first few attempts were fairly ordinary, but i got on the net sent chris a few emails and posted a new thread here and within about 4 hours was totally overdosed on caffeine and still making coffee that was only just drinkable(chris kept telling me the beans were no good, old but i thought surely they couldnt be that bad as they were what i thought would be the better of those available from woolies)

    friday morning bit the bullet and went and bought some fresh roasted beans from merlo coffee in brisbane went home and first attempt was pure heaven(for me anyway) as good as anything ive bought from my usual splurges at coffee shops, ie coffeeclub gloria jeans etc.

    anyway this is dragging on a bit now but to get to the point its day 4.5 now hardly slept due to too much caffeine but coffee just keeps on getting better(due to the help from chris and the guys here) still think ive got a long way to go but if i can get what i call good coffee in four days anyone can. Dont worry about all the articles here stating that you have to temp surf etc with the silvia, ive found it makes damned nice coffee right out the box but im sure after i get used to using it i too will look at ways of making th GOD shot but until more than happy with what ive achieved so far.

    hope this helps you out and dont hesitate to call chris(or email) at talk coffee and hell point you in the right direction

    mattm


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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    By the way,

    The Imat Mokita and its brethren are superbly capable machines and capable of producing excellent coffee, so dont write them off because theyre not quite as heavily built as a Silvia or similar. Ive been using one for a couple of years and it has consistently produced excellent coffee. My advice would be, not to recommend a particular machine over another, but to contact one or more of our Site Sponsors, represented in all major centres on the Eastern Seaboard, so you should be able to set up a demo with one of them and receive an unbiased recommendation(s) for some hardware that falls within your budget. Cant do better than that....

    Mal.

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Thanks for all the replys.

    Im fine with a full manual machine - will investigate with site sponsors as suggested.

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    It sounds like youve already decided to forego the super-autos, but in case you wanted some good reasons as to why to go manual, I thought Id recount some of my experience :) We have a Saeco super-auto at the office (the Incanto Sirius, which I think still retails up around $2k), and it is capable of making a vaguely decent shot, at least as the basis for a latte or cap, though I wouldnt want to drink espresso from it. There are a lot of settings in the menus that give the illusion of letting you control various aspects of the coffee-making process, but its nothing compared to the control you can exert with a manual machine and grinder. I thought it was a great machine at first, but if you really want to get in to coffee, youll outgrow it before you know it.

    The milk texturing on it is also very disappointing -- it uses a thermoblock for steam heating, and it does a poor job compared to my low-end single boiler machine at home.

    I cant really imagine anything but a super-auto working in an office though -- its certainly a lot better than instant, or the pod machine we had beforehand. Everyone else in the office thinks its great, but then again, most of them run 200mL of water through a shot and top it up with cold milk to make their morning coffees :)

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by lsd link=1156751297/0#12 date=1156811174
    ....most of them run 200mL of water through a shot and top it up with cold milk to make their morning coffees :)

    :o ::runs away in horror at the images this has put in my mind!:: :D

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    The Sunbeam 6910 isnt too far away by all accounts.

    My 6900 is still going a treat easier to use than the Silvia (ive owned both) just wait till you have a few friends over........ the Silvia is a real pain for any more than 4 coffees especially if you or your guests are having a milk drink.

    Dont get me wrong Silvia will make a wonderful coffee and has a HUGE amount of steam but the Sunbeam is so much easier to use.

    As for the taste I think the Silvia is marginally better but if you take ease of use ito account the 6900 beats it hands down. :)

    As for longevity then the Silvia would win that one too but in the mean time ill be enjoying coffees from the 6900 at least till it or if it goes FUT

    Just my opinion FWIW

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Great thread... thanks for the info all.

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    Re: $600 to spend - Sunbeam or Saeco or others?

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    What, mossicaf, Im just replying to a post of yours elsewhere?

    Have you managed to get the Silvia across the line with the boss, or are you thinking options??



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