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    Hi All,

    I have been enjoying the great range of information available on this site.

    One of the many things that I have gleaned, is that I should not use water straight out of the tap.

    I will be getting a Giotto shortly and I am looking for feedback from Perth users on their recommendations/experience regarding water. I.E. bottled water, filter jugs, under sink in line filters etc.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcb link=1163299904/0#0 date=1163299904
    Hi All,

    I have been enjoying the great range of information available on this site.

    One of the many things that I have gleaned, is that I should not use water straight out of the tap.

    I will be getting a Giotto shortly and I am looking for feedback from Perth users on their recommendations/experience regarding water. *I.E. bottled water, filter jugs, under sink in line filters etc.

    Thanks in advance.
    Hi mcb,

    Water in WA is a toughie....You will need good quality filtered water. Hard local tap water is an absolute no no as is reverse osmosis. They both kill machines. I saw a Giotto pretty much unrepairable after a hard time in WA.

    You need good quality filtered water. A good underbench system which softens and cleans your water will do the trick as will bottled water. I am not certain that a brita jug or similar will be good enough for you.

    NB that the Giotto relies in some dissolved solids in the water to gauge that there is water in the tank...No solids = no go. As I understand it, a good filter replaces insoluble Calcium salts with Sodium salts which are soluble...

    Thats what youre looking for. Enjoy your Giotto- theyre a great machine..

    2mcm

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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    Quote Originally Posted by mcb link=1163299904/0#0 date=1163299904

    I will be getting a Giotto shortly and I am looking for feedback from Perth users on their recommendations/experience regarding water. I.E. bottled water, filter jugs, under sink in line filters etc.

    Thanks in advance.
    Perth water is very hard and will scale up a machine quite quickly.

    You need to get a water softener rather than a normal filter - a normal filter will remove all but the hardness - the calcium salts. A softener replaces these with sodium and the level detector will still work fine.

    Softened Perth water tastes fine in coffee.

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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    Im just curious of what inline filter you would use? the ones that coffeeparts sell or theyre not good enough? Is there better ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1163299904/0#3 date=1163304134
    Im just curious of what inline filter you would use? the ones that coffeeparts sell or theyre not good enough? Is there better ones?
    There are some softening cartridges for inline filters- Im not sure how good they are. They are resin softening cartridges - reasonably expensive and are replaced when the rated volume of water has been treated.

    I use a resin granule filled softener designed for coffee machines - the only ongoing cost is to "recharge" it every month with a kilo of salt (pretty cheap ;))....

    I have seen one of the site sponsor saying that they sell these, and yes they are different to the coffeeparts ones - which primarily remove any taste and/or colour from the water.

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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    Thank you 2mcm and JavaB for your responses. Looks like it is time for me to research water softeners.

    I would be interested to hear from others who are Perth based.

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    I use a countertop filter from these guys in Tassie. I swear by them, although an undercounter one is best if you can do that.

    http://www.psifilters.com.au/index.htm

    The site is very good for general info on filters etc, but havent seen anything about water softeners, although they probably do sell them.

    and they are a lot cheaper than anywhere Ive seen, even factoring in a bit for postage.


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    a) We have the water softeners some of you have referred to.

    There is a bonus to fitting up a water "conditioning" set up to feed the coffee machine and that is, that you can then use it to supply all your kitchen needs such as drinking & *cooking water, supply to the dish washer, electric jug etc....

    So if you set up a softener to fit a direct plumb machine to, just run a T piece and set up a drinking water fountain next to the sink OR, if the coffee machine is not a direct plum jobbie, just fit the water softener in the line that feeds the kitchen tap.

    In worst case scenarios, you recharge the softener every 21 days. If it is not recharged it stops softening once it is saturated with calcium.

    The softener is ofcourse, also a simple particle filter so will protect the equipment from "mechanical obstructions". Even if it is not recharged to keep it softening, it will always remain a particle filter.

    b) You can buy filters (not softeners) that release an anti-scaling agent, and they can also be set up as described above.

    We also have these, and you replace them at regular intervals to keep them doing their anti-scaling job.


    b) is a lot cheaper to buy initially then a), but you have to keep buying replacement filters.....whereas if you spend more money on a) no further money is spent long term to replace anything....the ongoing cost is only the price of a kilo of salt say, once a month forever.


    A word of caution. Softeners are not for everyone because many cant be bothered, or dont feel confident, to unhook the softener from the water pipes say once a month, take it outside and do the "regenerating" operation (add salt then flush), bring it back in and hook back up to the plumbing. In this case option b) using the filter that releases the anti scaling substance, is the best / simplest course of action.


    Whether you choose a) or b) the nett effect is the same, *and that is, that both protect the equipment from a build up of scale.


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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    Thank you Belinda and FC for your comments.

    The water conditioners as referred to earlier by JavaB and also by FC sound like a good option to me.

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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    If I did not want to have a plumbed in filter system for my new twin boiler machine, is there any other filter systems options I could use or what would be the best bottled water to use. I am in Perth. Thanks

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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    Quote Originally Posted by 554B4C010 link=1163299904/9#9 date=1298462102
    If I did not want to have a plumbed in filter system for my new twin boiler machine, is there any other filter systems options I could use or what would be the best bottled water to use. I am in* Perth. Thanks
    Have you tried contacting Bernard at Bombora mate?

    Pretty sure they used to have a system that used a push-on rubber connector that you used with a standard kitchen sink tap. You could attach and use when needed then detach and store away when finished.

    All the best... :)

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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    I am in Perth and my Giotto PP has just clocked up 6 months. Just did my first descale although there was little scale present.

    I use the commercial water that gets delivered in the 15l jugs. The website quotes calcium at 1.2 mg/l and magnesium at 2.8 mg/l which puts the total hardnes at 4.0. This beats Perth tap water which is hard.
    PM me if you want the name in case it breaches forum rules by posting it here.

    The other option of checking out Bombora would be worthwhile as many CS posters have sung their praise.


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    Re: HX Water - Perth

    Depending on what you are drinking you will only need around 100ml of water per cup (at least that is what I average) so buying water is not so silly if you buy it in large containers to keep the $$ sensible.

    As Mal mentioned there are some good options with push over inlets, just make sure they have the appropriate cartridge installed to soften the water more than filter it as it is the Calcium etc that will cause you most problems.

    If you think you have problems we start at 7-800 ppm TDS here :P

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    Does anyone in Perth use rainwater? I am using a tank for my new machine and have access to clean rainwater so had planned on using that, any issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnsy View Post
    Does anyone in Perth use rainwater? I am using a tank for my new machine and have access to clean rainwater so had planned on using that, any issues?
    Go for it Burnsy as it will be way better than pretty much all other tap water in Perth. If it turns out the ionic content is too low and your machine has trouble sensing it, you can use a little salt to bump it up.

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    So what was bought? I'm tryiing to work out the best option now before my machne arrives in a week or so. Something that doesn't require a plumber would be best as I'm country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnsy View Post
    Does anyone in Perth use rainwater? I am using a tank for my new machine and have access to clean rainwater so had planned on using that, any issues?
    Rainwater is very acidic, usually around 5.5 which is not good for coffee machines. You can easily test it with a $10 test kit from bunnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexkez View Post
    So what was bought? I'm tryiing to work out the best option now before my machne arrives in a week or so. Something that doesn't require a plumber would be best as I'm country.
    This is what I'm using... if you can be bothered. I use Pureau water which is stocked by Woolies and Coles in 10 litres casks.

    https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws....ter_recipe.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashpixx View Post
    This is what I'm using... if you can be bothered. I use Pureau water which is stocked by Woolies and Coles in 10 litres casks.

    https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws....ter_recipe.pdf
    so this has to be tweaked to be used. its not ok as is? I'm looking for something that doesnt need tweaking if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexkez View Post
    so this has to be tweaked to be used. its not ok as is? I'm looking for something that doesnt need tweaking if possible.
    No you can’t use it as is unfortunately It has almost zero TDS.

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    The easiest way to tweak water that had too low TDS is to add some tap water to it too bring the TDS up to a desired level. If your water is as hard as you think it won't need to be much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    The easiest way to tweak water that had too low TDS is to add some tap water to it too bring the TDS up to a desired level. If your water is as hard as you think it won't need to be much.
    Ok this sounds like a simple solution. Thanks.



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