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    Best of a bad bunch

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    Hi All,

    Im in the process of getting my first espresso machine, however have some limitations in that I need to use the reward points for a certain visa card.

    So Im after thoughts on the below and which one would be the best of the bunch.

    Krups XP4030BGP Espresso Maker + Bonus Grinder
    Gaggia Espresso Pure Coffee Machine
    Krups K2 Premium Espresso Machine and BONUS Grinder
    Breville BES820 Espresso Machine
    Gaggia Baby Class Manual Espresso Machine

    Thanks.
    Brett

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Bretto link=1226828748/0#0 date=1226828748
    Hi All,

    Im in the process of getting my first espresso machine, however have some limitations in that I need to use the reward points for a certain visa card.

    So Im after thoughts on the below and which one would be the best of the bunch.

    Krups XP4030BGP Espresso Maker + Bonus Grinder
    Gaggia Espresso Pure Coffee Machine
    Krups K2 Premium Espresso Machine and BONUS Grinder
    Breville BES820 Espresso Machine
    Gaggia Baby Class Manual Espresso Machine

    Thanks.
    Brett
    You will here a call that says - Get the best grinder you can...

    With that in mind and if your serious.... Then forget the ones with the grinder thrown in... Go for the better of the reminding 3 and then spend some extra $ on a better grinder...

    Just start reading the grinder forum... http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?board=grinders

    However this is just my first thought and I know little about some of the items you identify.

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Agree with AM.

    But can you get something else you want instead, so that you arent forced into a compromise you might regret?


    (Youve already called them a "bad bunch" yourself in the thread title)

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Ditto the above comments. Then take this in the context that I dont know the ins and outs of each machine. But out of those Id be looking at one of the Gaggias. Theyre probably boiler machines whereas the others are probably thermoblocks (the Breville definitely is and the Krups more than likely are). A pity you dont have the option of the Breville BES400 (Breville Ikon) as that is reportedly a much better machine than then 820 (boiler rather than thermoblock). Pity you cant use your points for something else and choose your own machine...

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Id go the Gaggia Baby and buy a good matching ginder. They make quite a good cuppa once you work them out & they have a commercial portafilta.

    DJM

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Hi All,

    Thanks for the replies, I had another look at what options are available and can change the points to around $600.

    So ignoring the above list what would be the better machines to get for that price.

    Thanks
    Brett

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Sunbeam EM6910

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Ditto. Thats if youre still looking new. If you can scrap the points idea and purchase second-hand from here on CS with cash youll likely pay less for something in similar condition, and spend the change on a grinder (which is more important than the machine).

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Hi guys,

    Thanks for the replies.

    A mate had a "Sunbeam EM6910" and was like a freight train when it started the pour. From what I have read this is due to the thermoblock system. Yes I know it does make a good coffee however I live in a small unit so the least noisy the better.

    If this is correct im after something with a boiler, any recommendations based on this detail?

    Thanks
    Brett

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Id the $600 instead of points. Then wait until the stores have those offers like "Sunbeam 6910 and EM0480 grinder for $599" and voila! A decent setup.
    But if you hang around here long enough, in a few months time, youd be putting them up for sale in the classifieds and eyeing a VBM or Giotto and Mazzer etc...

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    The noise of the 6910 is mainly the vibratory pump, which is in any new machine <$2500. The 6910 is probably louder than some as the panels tend to rattle a fair bit but any machine will have that pump buzz. With that in mind, Id ditto NTEs advice or save $2k for a second-hand commercial machine with a rotary pump.

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

    Talk to some sponsors to get an idea of prices so you know what to aim for.

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    Re: Best of a bad bunch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretto link=1226828748/0#8 date=1227059270
    Hi guys,

    Thanks for the replies.

    A mate had a "Sunbeam EM6910" and was like a freight train when it started the pour. From what I have read this is due to the thermoblock system. Yes I know it does make a good coffee however I live in a small unit so the least noisy the better.

    If this is correct im after something with a boiler, any recommendations based on this detail?

    Thanks
    Brett
    Hey Brett

    My last machine was a Gaggia Baby Class, bought using cr. card award points. I was fairly happy with it until upgraditis bit, not because the machine was dodgy. So my first warning is that having joined CoffeeSnobs, espresso machine envy may set in quickly.

    If you are happy with low volume coffee requirements the Gaggia is a good machine - certainly better than some of your other original choices. I wouldnt describe it as disturb the neighbours noisy and you may be able to locate it in the kitchen next to an external wall rather than a shared wall.

    If you want to be able to steam milk at the same time as the espresso is being poured, go for the Sunbeam with twin boilers (ie thermoblocks). The Sunbeam has a better steam arm than the Gaggia so you will be able to make better microfoam.

    As previously mentioned, aim for a decent grinder. If you go for the Sunbeam EM6910 + EM0480 grinder combo, be warned that the EM0480 grinder is reportedly noisy.
    My recommendation: go for the Gaggia Baby and buy a good grinder.



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