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    This is my first post so take it easy.
    Have never owned a coffee machine but love coffee. *Living in a remote part of Aussie with no access to a coffee shop good or otherwise. *Currently drinking Instant.
    Have decided to buy a machine and have done some research and now completely confused. *Was thinking to starting with something like a Silvia and upgrading at a latter stage. *However, was thinking to maybe bypass the upgrade bit and go for something like a Rocket Giotto PP.

    Any thoughts, comments, suggestions?

    Cheers
    Cassarose

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    Re: Undecided

    Hi Cassarose, welcome to coffeesnobs :)

    Easy answer for me, go for the Rocket Giotto and you wont look back.
    But you must ensure that you pair it with a quality grinder as well, a poor grind means poor coffee.
    So the question we would all be asking is "what is your budget"


    Mal

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    Re: Undecided

    Thanks for the welcome.

    I live and work in a very remote area and get paid accordingly. Was going to salary sacrifice into super but have lost too much down that track already. Time for some niceties in life. However, am still mindful of the pennies. I would want a grinder and some accessories as I currently have nothing. Was thinking of a budget of around $4000 all up.

    Cassarose

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    Hi Cassarose,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs. There is lots of information here and some research is really worth while. Talking to or visiting a sponsor is also highly recommended.

    That said here is my opinion:

    It really depends on how much you like coffee, how much coffee you plan on making at a time, and what sort of coffee you like.

    A Silvia will make very good coffee, but only about 2-4 cups at a time easily. The difference between a Silvia and a higher end machine will be less the more milk you put in with the coffee.

    A high-end single boiler will make great coffee, but usually not more than 4 cups at a time and will not steam milk at the same time as you make coffee--you will have to do one or the other with a time lag in between. This level is VBM Piccolo or similar (say $1500). (This is the machine I have.)

    Higher again, the Giotto, for instance, will make great coffee and steam milk until you run out of milk, coffee, water, or electricity (well, not exactly, but for home use--yes). These are heat exchange or dual boiler machines. You can keep going up until you reach commercial quality machines at many $thousands, and gain increasingly less in the coffee quality but more in ease of use, speed, durability, and ultimate capacity.

    A good grinder is a necessity. A Rocky or thereabouts (under $500) will do with a Silvia, but is not a match for a machine that will make great coffee. To match the VBM or Giotto you are looking at Mini-Mazzer ($750) or even higher. (I have a Macap M4D.) Like the machines, the grinders just go up and up until you reach true commercial quality ($3000).

    Then you need good beans. These can be roasted at home, or ordered and delivered by mail. Stale beans (more than 3-4 weeks from roasting) means stale coffee.

    Hang around for a while, talk, ask questions. Great coffee is a huge leap from instant--its actually a different drink altogether and the confusion is something most of us have gone through, so were happy to help.

    Greg

    ps--"upgraditis" is rife, and best avoided if you can--it adds to the end cost. I would certainly suggest you buy the best you think youll want/need.

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    Hi Cassarose and Welcome!

    Dont under estimate the "know-how" part of making coffee with the setup you are considering. You should be able to find a barista course on offer in your closest city. My advice is to put one in your package along with the grinder and other goodies. You will really hit the ground running.

    charlie

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    Re: Undecided

    Would love to visit a sponsor and do a barista course. However, the nearest city that would have these is about 3000ks away and I only get one paid flight a year. I have read most of what I can on the internet re making that elusive perfect shot. Further confusion. I guess I will have to read more and practice. The upside is that I wont have anything to compare my attempts with. They say ignorance is bliss.

    Cassarose

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    Cassarose,

    Any of the sponsors here will be happy to help you, with machine, grinder and accesories as well unlimited of help support. Actually you are a what I call a perfect student, not bad habits and only willing to learn.

    Let me know if I can help you.

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    Re: Undecided

    Quote Originally Posted by cassarose link=1228129595/0#0 date=1228129595
    GDay
    This is my first post so take it easy.
    Have never owned a coffee machine but love coffee. *Living in a remote part of Aussie with no access to a coffee shop good or otherwise. *Currently drinking Instant.
    Have decided to buy a machine and have done some research and now completely confused. *Was thinking to starting with something like a Silvia and upgrading at a latter stage. *However, was thinking to maybe bypass the upgrade bit and go for something like a Rocket Giotto PP.

    Any thoughts, comments, suggestions?

    Cheers
    Cassarose
    Welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    To answer your question...bypass the upgrade. I did and have never regretted it.

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    Re: Undecided

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1228129595/0#7 date=1228185315
    Welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    To answer your question...bypass the upgrade. I did and have never regretted it.

    Hi cassarose and welcome.

    I concur with TG here. Get it right the first time and then you dont lose $$$ every time you upgrade. The GPP is but one of many terrific machines stocked by the CS sponsors. The hard bit is to choose the right one for you.

    Please feel most welcome to make contact if we can assist in any way.

    Chris

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    Re: Undecided

    Hi cassarose,

    If you love good coffee and are in a position to outlay $4,000, go for it. I have recently been (very) fortunate to upgrade to a new Giotto from a single boiler machine, and the difference is amazing. I suppose going down the traditional upgrade path has made me appreciate the quality of the Giotto (and the beautiful coffee that comes out of it), but if you are in a position to jump straight to one from the start, do it! No need to upgrade again.

    Coupled with a quality grinder and fresh beans, you would then be capable (with a bit of practice) of making as good a coffee as there is.

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    Re: Undecided

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    I have ordered the Giotto Premium Plus and now eagerly awaiting delivery. Living in such a remote area everything takes so long to get here. Hopefully it will arrive by Christmas and my journey can begin.

    Ill probably pester CS members in the future while I search for that perfect cup.

    Thanks all

    Cassarose



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