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    knockbox which one??

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    hey guys I know it really isnt a huge thing, but I need a new knockbox, what brand should I get, there are plenty out there! :D
    Im look at a Grindestein box... thoughts??

    cheers ;)


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    Re: knockbox which one??

    I use a Bumper knock box, cost me $49.95, does a good job, there are cheaper ones that Im sure do just as a good a job. My son has a Sunbeam bang bang its nice and solid.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Here is another vote for a Sunbeam bang bang, nice solid unit no fuss unit. Sits solidly on the bench and doesnt move around.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Or you could make one...then youd get exactly what you want and probably at less than half the cost... ;)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    I really like the Grindstein. *Great design, tough, great size, fits under the grouphead for neat/convenient storage if needed, choice of colours, Aussie designed, Aussie made.

    Whats that TG, you think its too small?

    Bah!!! *:P

    (Ive never had a puck miss yet, it holds about 6 before you need to consider emptying it and I dont get stray puck bits falling outside the container - but I know Thundergod aint a fan, hence the mild wind-up!)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Im with scoota gal, why not make your own?
    Some PVC pipe, caps and your choice for the bar you bang the puck out on. apart from a bit of time, it will be much cheaper.
    Works great, can be made as long, or short as you like.
    You could paint it any colour you like, and
    you can even make a lid for it to keep the aroma in check.
    ( I cant smell the contents even when Im on top of it, but my wife has keen sense of smell and she doesnt get offended when the lid is on)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Check out the various DIY ones found here inspired by NewToEspresso.
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1233380075/0

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    Hi mmmcoffee:

    I guess choosing the right knock box is a bit like choosing a Tamper (or even choosing an espresso machine for that matter, a wide range of products would "do" the job (espresso, residue storage, create resistance, etc...), but not all would match your preferences, kitchen bench and wallet.... ;)we normally advise base on the following:

    1. Dimensions: Are we limited with bench space? then we may look at the smallest foot print knock box, some people would even put it in their cabinet after the coffee making....Grindestein would do a great job with that, being only 10cm in diameter..

    2. Aesthetics : do we personally like plastic, wood, stainless steel? do we have a kitchen color scheme wed like the knock bin color / material to match to? do we aim at matching it to the machine or other barista accessories color? the Grindestein are available in 5 different colors, the Coffee Been available in 8 colors. Bumper has a shiny metal finish and would go well with an all steel look..

    3. Volume: if were a serious entertainer, we may want to choose a wider diameter bin that contains more cakes, like the Bumper, saving you those visits to the rubbish bin when youre really busy....the Grindestin can hold only 5 cakes max before youd need to empty it.

    4. Durability / cleaning: the Grindestein is easy to clean and it is dishwater proof. I wouldnt recommend putting the Coffee Been or the Bumper in your dishwasher....additionally, the hard plastic rod in the middle is tough, and would take many banging before itll show signs of wearing out...the Coffee Been rod is made out of rubber that would wear out more quickly, however it is available as a replacement part. The Bumper has a thicker and better grade rubber rod that would take long to wear out and it also come with an extra set of all the rubber parts.

    I have a white Grindestein at home. Not very practical color, as coffee stains are noticeable and not easy to get rid of, however weve been using it for almost 3 years and it hasnt shown any signs of fatigue...I may have upgraded to the Bumper if I had more space just because I love the look of it but theres really not much left on my bench to remove making the extra room for it...:-/

    All knock bins, including coffee draws (suitable for those limited spaces and as a leverage for your grinder) are available online on:

    http://www.dibartoli.com.au/products.asp?cid=43

    Hope that was helpful! Ofra

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Dont forget our good friends at CoffeeParts.... http://coffeeparts.com/accessories/knockingtubes.html They have most of the KBs referred to above, plus some very nifty little units in a wide range of colours to pretty well suit any decor,

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    my grindenstein snapped in the middle of the bar - they say it has a lifetime warranty (i think), but receipt is well gone. Still using it snapped (as the rubber bit holds it together still). After taking it apart, it does look like there is actually a join in the middle of the bar where it snapped. So if you get one, maybe hold onto receipt just in case! other than that, I dont have any problem with it.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Thanks guys looked at the Grindstein today we r very limited for space and like how small but useful it is. Dont mind having to empty itmore often.
    Does anyone know if there is a replacement rubbers for the bar?? :)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Damian1 just read that there is a 30 year warrantye on Grndensteim box should be able to call them and sort out a replacement? Google them its easy to find :D

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Thanks for that - I will have to see if I can get myself a new one.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Quote Originally Posted by 4144484C444B14250 link=1239111464/12#12 date=1239431175
    Thanks for that - I will have to see if I can get myself a new one. *
    Have you gotten an update on this Damian? Looking to buy one myself and would like to know what sort of follow up customer service you get.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    no - too busy at the moment. I have libved with it broken for about 1yr, so it can wait for now. But I will try eventually!

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Damien1 any luck with getting ga replacement?? Good luck! :)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Just thought Id pipe in having had a Grindestein knockbox for around a year already. It is a great little box and the rubber is very tough.... still no marks after a year.

    There is one problem with it IMHO though.... and its to do with one of the positive features - the size. Though its small enough to put nearly anywhere, when you knock the puck out, the box is so small that you have to hitt the puck against the rubber bit which causes little bits of grind to fly around the vicinity of the knockbox. :o

    Im now currently looking for a slightly larger knockbox where only the portafilter handle hits the rubber and hopefully all the grinds end up in the knockbox!

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Hi griffster...

    Have to say that the little unit I bought from CoffeeParts yonks ago works like a little ripper. All the coffee ends up in the knockbox, no mess around the bench where it sits. Its one of the coloured ones listed on this page... http://coffeeparts.com/accessories/knockingtubes.html the Yellow one, second from the top is mine. They also sell spare rubber tubes for them too but mine is now about 4 years old and still in one piece so I dont think youd be replacing them very often (unless you run a small cafe out of your home ;)).

    Cheers,
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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Hi Mal,

    Thanks for the recommendation. Ive also been looking at the Bumper knockbox, but Ive been getting no grinds flying around on the bench by tapping the portafilter on the rubber bit instead of giving it a big whack like I normally do so now I may hold off on that purchase. :)


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    Re: knockbox which one??

    hey guys got the Grindstein KB and loving it, Giffster can understand the coffee crinds flying out, but like you have just found if you tap it lightly nothing really comes out. Easy fit.
    This unit is great, we only have a small kitchen and dont really want a bot KB taking up valuable space, plus the feature it my Silvia and Rocky not a KB ;D

    thanks for the thoughts guys ;) ;)

    Damian1 any luck with a replacement KB??

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    I dont have problems personally with grinds going anywhere not in the box, and I fit quite a few pucks in? After about six, I just shake it and they all go to the bottom, can get a few more in that way.

    I never understood the size complaint for the home environment. Maybe its just because my machines are very close to the bin, so its a short stop to empty it out... I dont know. Cleaning it out at the end of every session is part of my ritual.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    I made mine using a 1kg plastic honey bucket, and a short length of dowel covered in some soft plastic tube.

    Cut the dowel 30mm longer than the diameter of the bucket, and the tubing at diameter length. Push the dowel through the tubing with 15mm sticking out each end. Drill holes in the bucket. Insert ends of dowel through holes (from the inside), and youre done.

    This holds about 10 or 15 pucks, the tubing is not bouncy like rubber, and the buckets come in a variety of colours. It washes easily, and if it breaks, I have more buckets in the cupboard, and both the dowel and the tubing were off-cuts.

    Cost--not sure--maybe $2????

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    If I were a handyperson in any way, what Greg did is what I would have done. That said, I am extremely impressed with the company that made the grindenstein as a whole.

    Just as an extra bit of information though, my pucks are on the soupier side, so thats probably why I never get coffee on my bench (except from the grinder...)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Pingusam, they should not be sloppy when using the unpressurised basket like the silvias have. try adjusting your grind and/or tamping. a puck tells a story about the coffee

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Not sloppy, but moist. Straight out of the basket, I can bend them. Dry pucks Ive had snap straight out of the basket (I say straight out of the basket to differentiate between pucks sitting in the basket for a couple minutes all pucks dry up soon enough).

    I thought puckology was a dirty word? ;)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    i thought u ment sloppy as in water logged, steaming is ok.

    in the end its the taist that counts but messy pucks are never fun

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    [Quote author=687D6669697C7B6A7D0F0 link=1239111464/16#16 date=1240156912]when you knock the puck out, the box is so small that you have to hit the puck against the rubber bit which causes little bits of grind to fly around the vicinity of the knockbox [/QUOTE]
    I have a larger KB but still hit the edge of the basket against the rubber bar.
    If not, occasionally, the basket might pop into the KB as well.
    If I hit just on the edge of the basket, the puck tumbles out and over the bar (and no danger of losing the basket).

    Even with the bigger KB, if I tried to hit the handle the basket would end up hitting the back edge of the KB.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Love the little Grindstein!! U do get a few grinds come out but not much. U can obviously buy larger KB but I love the size colours and the design it fantastic!! Big wraps for a small box!! $$ isnt too expensive compared to others too. ;)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Ive just ordered a Breville Bar Vista Knock Box factory second for $33.00 delivered from eBay. RRP $42.00 :D

    I would have preferred the Sunbeam bang Bang but they a no longer being made :(

    It should be here by Friday :)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Quote Originally Posted by 193E383F324B0 link=1239111464/28#28 date=1244617115
    I would have preferred the Sunbeam bang Bang but they a no longer being made
    Rusty,

    How did you find this out?
    They still mention them on the web page, in fact there are 2 models shown. Seems odd that they would stop making them.

    Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 547375727F060 link=1239111464/28#28 date=1244617115
    Ive just ordered a Breville Bar Vista Knock Box factory second
    Well done....I hear that the factory 2nds have no base in them...Theyre a stick and a tube ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 424550464B5D7B151D1D1D240 link=1239111464/29#29 date=1244618574
    How did you find this out?
    All the suppliers I tried are out of stack and have been told by Sunbeam the product is no longer available ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18475F494249454C4C4F4F474B442A0 link=1239111464/30#30 date=1244618599
    Theyre a stick and a tube
    Sounds like a cross between a didgeridoo and a message stick :D

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C6B6D6A671E0 link=1239111464/32#32 date=1244618943
    Quote Originally Posted by 18475F494249454C4C4F4F474B442A0 link=1239111464/30#30 date=1244618599
    Theyre a stick and a tube
    Sounds like a cross between a didgeridoo and a message stick *:D

    Rusty,

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Quote Originally Posted by 040316000D1B3D535B5B5B620 link=1239111464/29#29 date=1244618574
    How did you find this out?
    They still mention them on the web page, in fact there are 2 models shown. Seems odd that they would stop making them.
    I just had it confirmed :(

    Retravision rang Sunbeam who confirmed that both the EM100 & EM110 are no longer being manufactured.

    Theres a secondhand one on eBay if anyone is interested. Current bid is $20.51 with $11.15 postage. I think it closes on Friday around 6:00pm.

    I did bid but for around the same total cost Im buying a factory seconds Breville as mentioned previously.



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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Yeh, i heard the same thing. I managed to source my Cafe Series one from a New Zealand based website called Queen B. They do all sorts of homewares. Cost about $70 landed but they are pretty good!

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Got my Sunbeam Cafe Series Bang Bang ($50) from Harvey Norman in Dubbo. After ringing the Lakemba store the salesman could tell me which stores still had them in stock.
    Luckily my parents live close to there (1/2 hour drive) as I am in Sydney.
    Thay had 5 in stock as of a month ago.
    Guess the country stores dont sell out as quickly as the city ones.
    Sunbeam confirmed that they are an obsolete item.
    Seems strange that an item that sells well is not being made any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 110A0315161B620 link=1239111464/36#36 date=1244691405
    Seems strange that an item that sells well is not being made any more
    Decisions to drop products are usually based on profit. I imagine Sunbeam have been selling them at a loss and that Breville are making inroads into their coffee appliance and accessories sales.

    I understand Breville have overtaken Sunbeam is sales revenue.


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    Re: knockbox which one??

    This announcement which escaped my notice at the time, appeared in the Daily Telegraph on Fri 29th May.

    GUD *Holdings, the owner of the Sunbeam brand, says it has bought 19.4 per cent of *Breville shares for $18.1 million.

    GUD managing director Ian Campbell says it was asked to buy the stake in the electrical products distributor and has "no current intention of buying a bigger slice.

    "As the owner of Sunbeam, the acquisition of 19.4 per cent of Breville is an attractive investment opportunity for GUD, satisfying the companys strategic and financial objectives.

    Breville imports and distributes electrical consumer products - including Breville, Kambrook, and Ronson brands - to a number of markets.

    GUD says the acquisition is to be funded from cash reserves and is expected to be self-funding at current Breville levels.


    It may explain the demise of the Bang Bang ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B5C5A5D50290 link=1239111464/38#38 date=1244694810
    This announcement which escaped my notice at the time, appeared in the Daily Telegraph on Fri 29th May.

    GUD *Holdings, the owner of the Sunbeam brand, says it has bought 19.4 per cent of *Breville shares for $18.1 million.

    GUD managing director Ian Campbell says it was asked to buy the stake in the electrical products distributor and has "no current intention of buying a bigger slice.

    "As the owner of Sunbeam, the acquisition of 19.4 per cent of Breville is an attractive investment opportunity for GUD, satisfying the companys strategic and financial objectives.

    Breville imports and distributes electrical consumer products - including Breville, Kambrook, and Ronson brands - to a number of markets.

    GUD says the acquisition is to be funded from cash reserves and is expected to be self-funding at current Breville levels.


    It may explain the demise of the Bang Bang *::)
    And the bang bang may only be the start......



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    Re: knockbox which one??

    My Breville Bar Vista coffee grinder bin arrived yesterday - two days after posting :D

    Actually its for my daughter wholl be able to use it after I remove the pressure valve from her Via Venezia.

    I cant find any defect with it even though it came from their factory outlet. At $33.00 delivered Im very happy ;D

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    The bang bang is a nice piece of kit...moulded shape is nice too...cant get that with PVC. *I reckon PVC looks fine as a 4 foot long cafe box but for a kitchen it has got to look good as well as perform...Bang Bang does it well and doesnt cost the earth...holds at a guess 30 odd pucks...

    Cheers

    PS. Its a fat little bloke too...its a matter of personal preference I suppose.

    Scoota - what else do you reckon might go...it wont be the EM6910s I bet - they sell too many and put too much into its development. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F4A43535F4444300 link=1239111464/41#41 date=1244848963
    Bang Bang does it well and doesnt cost the earth...
    Yeah... but where do you get it :(

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F4A43535F4444300 link=1239111464/41#41 date=1244848963
    I reckon PVC looks fine as a 4 foot long cafe box but for a kitchen it has got to look good as well as perform
    The Breville Bar Vista has a "premium brushed metal" exterior with PVC removable bowl, what more could you ask for ::)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Myers threw it in years ago when I got my EM6910...thats still going like a new one BTW 8-)

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Im a cheapsakte improviser. My knock box is about 3 years old now, made from a plastic pool chemical container, with the top cut off.

    The knock part is a 19mm aluminium tube covered with 19mm black garden irrigation tubing.

    Since it sits out of sight in the cabinet under the sink aesthetics are not a problem

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    hey damien1 have you had a chance to check out getting a new knock box from Grindstein??How did you go??

    loving my little one by the way ;D

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Coffee Parts sell the Bumper knock box. It has very similar aesthetics to the Bang Bang. A little bit pricey tho, but i suppose if looks are important.

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    This is my effort. I wasn going to pay for a knock box, so the only option was to make one.
    I wanted something practicle and good looking as it is a permanant part of my kitchen.

    Parts are simple.
    100mm Dia, 200mm long PVC sewerage pipe (unused) Preferably the flared end bit. FREE
    20mmDia x 130mmL S/S rod. I turned a chamfer on the ends and linished for a nice finish. FREE
    20mmID clear vinyl hose for protection. (Not fitted in pic) $4 /mtr
    Melamine board plug to fit in bottom. FREE
    Silicone sealant. FREE
    Black spraypaint. FREE

    In the end the job cost me $0.40c (100mm hose).




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    Nice job--I like the black paint and the stainless rod.

    Greg

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    Re: knockbox which one??

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Ive had my stein for going on almost 3 years now, looks almost new except for coffee stain on the bar

    I guess it really depends on how much coffee you make as to how big a box you need, mine holds aroudn 8 - 10 pucks from Silvia

    Another one thats caught my eye because of its similar design is the coffees bean, looks similar in design to the stein but looks like it could hold about double



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