See this Di Bartoli linkOriginally Posted by 272225233F2C2B4D0 link=1243734630/0#0 date=1243734630
Im looking to accessorize for my much anticipated Rancilio combo and seeking help/advice on a few items.
Does anyone have the s/s drawer?
Description- Rancilio Double S/S Coffee Drawer
The Rancilio Double S/S Coffee Drawer matches perfectly the Rancilio Silvia and the Rancilio Rocky Grinder Combo. It keeps your coffee station clean and well organized.
Its left draw, features a wooden rod across the draw to knock your coffee residue into. The right one is a drawer for all your coffee accessories: thermometer, tamper, dosing tools, etc.
I would like to know if this is practical? Do the grinder/espresso units sit on top ok? Any wobbling? Does the pullout knockbox work? Does the other drawer hold all the tools?
Or am I best to spend the money on a Quality Pullman Tamper & Synesso dbl basket? (although already considering this a must)
Just wondering if the $180 price tag for the drawers is practical?
Thanks in advance for any input. :)
See this Di Bartoli linkOriginally Posted by 272225233F2C2B4D0 link=1243734630/0#0 date=1243734630
Thanks KK - thats where I got the description from, just wondering if anyone has it and does it work?
I bought the Rancilio Silvia and matching ss/drawer a couple of weeks ago. It looks nicer on the bench but I dont think its a real necessity. In the drawers im just keeping spare baskets, cleaning brush, thermometer and a few other bits and pieces. I dont think youd empty the used puck in the drawer, it would become a cleaning nightmare, thats what the KB is for. The Silvia wobbles a bit because of this drawer but not to be a deal breaker.
The only reason I bought the stand is to give the machine more height so that when frothing milk you have more height to remove the jug without tilting it and this to me was worth it alone. If I had to do the deal again id still buy it. And Id still buy the pullman and synesso ridgeless as well. Im waiting for my synesso ridgeless to arrive this week sometime. *:)
Yeah! I was wondering what it would be like to empty the drawer after knocking pucks into it, trying to get those little bits that get stuck in the corners - not to mention the residue!
Didnt think of the height it would give for steaming, a point well noted.
Thanks again. ;)
get the tamper much more practical and if you are still using the plastic one then it will improve your coffees heaps. i got the synesso basket for the silvia because tamp made to fit and i was worryed about the ridge disturbing the puck
Thanks Azz I agree.
Not sure about difference between tampers eg. convex/flat and all round weight vs bottom weight. Tried to find some answers thru previous posts so I could stop annoying everyone with sooo many questions - but couldnt find the answer.
Hi short mac.
Convex or flat, the ongoing debate. I dont believe that even the experts agree on the answer to this question. Only you can decide on whats right for you. I opted for a convex base when I bought my Pullman Barista tamper recently based on the fact that I had been using a generic convex tamper for well over a year without any problems and also the fact that Silvias shower screen is convex so that the puck fits the shower screen. I am really happy with my choice and apart from its usefullness, it is also a work of art.
You will probably find that there are other Silvia owners who have flat tampers and are completely happy with them.
Dont know if this is any help.
This helps hugely as I was unaware the shower screens were convex. Would I be right in saying that depending on the shower screen shape, this might be a way of determining the shape of a tamper?
Thanks for the advice ;)
ps. Never seen or heard the debate.
Your guess is as good as mine. It was a fact that I used to make my decision. I might be wrong, but I am happy with my choice.
If you look back some ways in the posts you will find threads debating this issue.
Hmmm - I though the Silvia had a flat s.screen (certainly looks flat) while the e61s were the convex ones. *Sods - I was getting close to ending the procrastination about ordering a new tamper, now Im all dithery again because I was going for a flat *:(Originally Posted by 3623383C223328510 link=1243734630/7#7 date=1243757866
they are flat on mine but with the bolt in the middle i can see how the convex would be of advantage. i have a flat pm tamper and have used it with no probs. just personal choice i think it comes down to.
Hmmm. I dont agree that Silvias shower screen is flat. It may not be very convex but it is still convex just the same. If you put a straight edge across it you will see this, the sides being about half a mm lower than the centre section. If you want to add the standard industrial fixing bolt into the equation then it becomes very convex. I have a very small fixing screw that I turned up using a countersunk phillips head screw, so I wasnt counting that. Other machines that I am not familiar with may have more exaggerated convex shower screens.
Anyway, convex or flat tamper? The decision is yours alone.
All the best with your decisions,
Having not a great deal of experience, I think Ill go convex. I read somewhere convex is good for beginners as it helps maintain an even tamp including sides blah blah something like that!
Thanks again for the input gents. :)
Well, there you go - were both right :) *Ignoring the bolt, my original (c2002) is flat as a tack (which makes the metal holding the screen at the edges higher than the screen at the centre) while the CoffeeParts spare I have in the cupboard is as you describe - about 0.5mm higher in the centre.Originally Posted by 63766D6977667D040 link=1243734630/13#13 date=1243764110
Ive been perfectly happy with the results from my current cheap(ish) convex tamper (which I just measured as 2.5mm higher in the centre!) but was hoping that a flat would get me that smidge closer. *Besides which, I just discovered that it is Al not SS when I threw it in the Clean Machine with the rest last weekend for the first time - made it go all ikky.
Silvias are flat minus the bolt. My Expobar Minore III has a slightly convex screen. Whether this affects anything who knows. I did some tests with a Euro convex and a flat tamper this weekend and got excellent pours out of both, almost indiscernable in the behaviour through the bottomless pf - pour initially appeared at edge then all the rest of the basket appeared at once. The only thing was when the puck was knocked out there were more fines sitting on the top of the convexly tamped puck than the flat, and interestingly you could still see which tamper had tamped which puck - which is an interesting reflection on the theory that the puck expands to the shape of the showerscreen so the tamper shape should match it - doesnt seem to happen, or at least not as much as some have thought.
Anyway none of those tests are finished yet but the results have been interesting thus far.
Im interested to know what the results are when ya done Greg.
In the meantime Im glad you stopped by as I was going to ask for your professional recommendation. Im planing to purchase one of your tampers matched with a synesso basket for use in a silvia. What type of tamper would you recommend?
i was pritty sure my shower screen was flat, i am considering changing that bolt though so i can get no inprint in the puck.
My Silvias shower screen is flat, both the original and the replacement from Coffee Parts. I use a flat Pullman and a Synesso basket.
My Brugnetti is convex. When I use the flat Pullman, no good. A lot of grinds are left on the shower screen. The puck is wetter. Channeling happens more often. Shot is slightly thinner.
Use the convex plastic tamper that came with the Silvia, no problem. Just absolutely horrible to use.
Back on topic,
I got the SS tray with my Silvia. It is useful. The puck draw will hold about 24 pucks. I use the other draw for grinds that I dont want.
On the other hand grinds in the puck draw get into the corner and are a pain to clean. After a week or two mould appears.
One of the bar holders broke off, as you cant bang the group handle flat.
If it is a part of a deal it is worthwhile. If not you are better putting the money on a better tamper or grinder.
I always used a flat tamper with my Silvia and had excellent results. However if you have a big bolt for the showerscreen rather than a countersunk screw your results may differ. As to Barista or Deluxe (not sure what you mean about recommendation), both are as good as each other but in different ways; it really is a personal preference, some prefer the look of one or the other. The Barista is the more flexible of the two, having the adjustability in the handle and a wider range of handle materials. However in wood it has less options than the Deluxe and can only be made down to 57mm diameter (on account of the deep recess for the rubber which helps achieve the optimum balance).Originally Posted by 7B7E797F637077110 link=1243734630/17#17 date=1243778282
@Bassway - interesting; as mentioned this hasnt been my observation with my Expobar in my preliminary testing, in fact Ive found more stray grounds sitting on the top of the puck with the convex tamper. However Im not through with testing so take these comments with a handful of salt!
- I thought they all had the big bolt.. :-?if you have a big bolt for the showerscreen rather than a countersunk screw
My results kind of echo what Greg says with my E-61 machine.... :-?Originally Posted by 6C796E6C7B7E6767666A650B0 link=1243734630/20#20 date=1243912676
Probably comes down more on the side of the dosing technique you use rather than the tamper so much. If I accidentally (or intentionally) overdose and allow the puck to come into contact with the screen, then I do notice a lot of coffee particles stuck to the screen. If I stick to the proper dose though, it just doesnt happen and all Ive ever used is Gregs flat-base tampers... Were all different though (not just with coffee preferences ;)) and what works for you "bassway" is fair enough, with the technique youve developed over time.
For me though, Im sticking with my flat-bases ;)... (No, the earth is not flat) :P
You are right argon.
They all did have a big bolt when supplied new by Rancilio.
Some of us have replaced the bolt with a countersunk head screw.
Some people actually countersink the small ss centre piece which sits behind the showerscreen and then deform the showerscreen into this so that when the csunk head fixing screw is in place then it finishes flush with the surface of the showerscreen. Needs to be done carefully though.
I started with a csunk head screw and turned the head down to the seating diameter of the original bolt and then turned down part of the taper to provide a flat seat the same as the original bolt. Then rounded the head over at the edges. Its really neat and unobtrusive, unlike the original hex head bolt.
Mine wasnt new so I cant comment but I dont think theyve always had the bolt ever since Silvias have been made. That comment may be true for the newer ones.Originally Posted by 72677C7866776C150 link=1243734630/23#23 date=1243936355
You are right! What works for me and we all have different machines.Originally Posted by 6E43474B462A0 link=1243734630/22#22 date=1243933980
The Brugnetti has quite a pronounced curve.
Attached is a picture of the puck from a shot using my flat Pullman (left) and plastic curved (right).
Same dose, same bean.
The difference is more noticeable in the flesh, the pic doesnt quite pick it up.
And back on topic!
Here is a shot of my draw. I cleaned it thoroughly about two weeks ago.
Once the mould gets in it never leaves.
To my un-trained eye the puck on the right looks a tad darker.
As for the drawer...Its certainly getting a workout! (thinking a grindenstein will be easier in the dishwasher) I agree with what you said earlier - If I get the drawer as a throw in item great! If I dont Pullman...here I come :)
Thank for the input and pics bassway ;)
Thats just the lighting! Both were about the same shade. Also the one on the left (flat Pullman) has a lot rougher surface, picking up more light.Originally Posted by 343136302C3F385E0 link=1243734630/27#27 date=1243984056
Its a bit hard to conclude as when I use the Pullman I scrap the basket flat, tamp, spin tamper to polish the surface. The plastic convex, I scrap basket flat, nutate (thanks Mal!) tamp, twist tamper, then very lightly tamp around the edges.
I just ordered a convex Pullman. Will see!
For a Silvia I would recommend the flat. The bolt didnt effect channeling or anything else. I noticed no real change when I modded the bolt to a countersunk. It did however take one thing out the equation if something was going wrong.
I had another thought about the SS draw. It is actually messier if you use it like I do. Not only do I have to clean under the machine and grinder, I have to clean under the draws.
One other small problem is that the stainless steel is a bit slippery, especially if grinds fall on it.
The Silvia doesnt move about and maybe a Rocky doesnt but my LaCimbali Junior/Cadet slides every time I switch it on. Annoying. >:(
Really interesting Bassway. My preliminary tests (about four pucks each of flat and convex) have all looked the inverse of yours to one degree or another (other than having sharp edges to the puck - but I reckon youll find the Synesso basket fixes that! ;)). Ill have to get Mr Nikon onto the case...
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They came out of a ridgeless Synesso basket.
Sorry for continuing on OT... Last question, I promise :-X
Both pucks look very shallow too bassway. Is that because its a Single Basket or just the photo angle?
Photo angle. They also look like they are on an angle. Nope, they are dead flat!Originally Posted by 1B36323E335F0 link=1243734630/31#31 date=1244012505
The basket is a ridge less Synesso double bought off www.coffeetamper.com.au . When I scrape flat it holds 21 grams of grinds.
The right dose for my Brugnetti seems to be a scrape flat with a knife. My Silvia dose is a little less.
Thanks bass.... :)
Weird... all mine have crisp sharp edges and dont break up like that. Perhaps theres some other technique difference related to collapsing or something. Anyway were way OT here! ;D
The new Pullman curved tamper arrived. Yea! The plastic tamper can go back into storage. ;D
And yes the curved produced a better shot on my Brugnetti. Even when the flow rate is the same the curved produces a darker shot with more striping. The difference is greater than from the flat Pullman to the plastic curved.
The pucks tell all the story!