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    Moving - to take or not to take...

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    Hi All,

    Were preparing to move to America (for a 3 yr period) at the end of the year. *Keen to get your thoughts on whether to take my beloved machine and grinder, or whether they are better off left in storage. *My concerns are:

    1. *Will they travel okay (air freight)?
    2. *Are they very easily damaged? :(
    3. *Any probs using voltage transformers with espresso machines?
    4. *Am I better off purchasing a machine over there (and then sell on departure)?

    Thanks,
    Slowcoffee. :)

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    I wouldnt take the risk...

    Why not put it up for sale on CS and but a single group slayer when u get to america :D

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Am too attached to sell! :o The Levetta is part of the family now!

    Though if she sits in storage, what are the chances of coming home after 3 yrs to a machine that wont work so well anymore? Will a service fix this?

    Slowcoffee.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    As you are going for a long time (3years)
    I would store the grinder only

    Sell your Australian machine only to finance
    A new American kit

    On leaving the US sell that kit to finance a new & updated Australian machine of your choice

    You dont know what shiny things will tempt you upon your return in 3 years

    KK

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Ohh & you are still a Coffee Snob so we still expect you to post and check in with us occasionally

    You could start a special post
    Postcard from XYZ City USA ;)

    KK

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Thanks for your thoughts KK. Yes, my attraction to shiny things is quite strong, so perhaps thats the way to go. ;)

    Would you really leave the grinder behind in storage if it were you? Was hoping it might survive the journey!

    Cheers,
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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Well you could take it

    The US does have a 240 volt system
    Its wired in there laundry area not sure if its 50 or 60 htz
    Some CS er will know

    KK

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Quote Originally Posted by 61454C4C4F4F7561455947452A0 link=1248439644/4#4 date=1248441605
    Ohh & you are still a Coffee Snob so we still expect you to post and check in with us occasionally

    You could start a special post
    Postcard from XYZ City USA * *;)

    KK
    Not too sure what to expect from US coffee - hopefully will be able to find some nice little independent cafes to get my fix from! *

    Will certainly send some feedback on any coffee-related experiences over there - the good, the bad and the ugly... *Hoping the latter 2 wont come from my own machine! :-/

    Slowcoffee

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Id contact Chris from Talk Coffee or Attilio from CosmoreX Coffee SC.... :)

    These two blokes know what theyre talking about when it comes to machinery at this level 8-)

    Mal.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Thanks Mal,

    I purchased my machine & grinder from Chris, so will get in touch with him for his opinion.

    Cheers,
    Slowcoffee.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Hi Slowcoffee,

    Quote Originally Posted by 36292A32262A23232020450 link=1248439644/0#0 date=1248439644
    1.Will they travel okay (air freight)?
    Yes- so long as theyre correctly packed. It will not be cheap though. Factor in at least $300AUD each way- maybe more.

    2.Are they very easily damaged?
    Yes- see above. In fact freight companies can write them off when packed correctly and attached to a skid with 15cm clear space around them *>:(

    3.Any probs using voltage transformers with espresso machines?
    Yes- your machine is designed to run on 240V. It will probably not be cheap to get a to get a suitable transformer delivering 1300W. Better to find a place with a 240V circuit installed.

    4.Am I better off purchasing a machine over there (and then sell on departure)?
    FWIW, thats what Id do. In fact, Id sell my Aussie gear and upgrade on return- but thats just me ::)...

    Hope that helps...

    Chris

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    I agree with the sell and re-buy option at least for the espresso machine. While it is possible to find 230-240 volts in a kitchen or laundry in the US, my bet is that the appliances would be hard-wired, not connected to a power-point.

    Greg

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Thanks Chris,

    I really appreciate your comments/thoughts on this one! *;)

    Looks like I might have some equipment to sell in another month or two. *Will be sorry to see the Levetta go! *:( *Weve been equally happy with the Mazzer and cant imagine well need anything bigger or better on our return, so may well leave this one in storage.

    Cheers,
    Slowcoffee.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A5F484A7A425F404C41492D0 link=1248439644/11#11 date=1248521578
    I agree with the sell and re-buy option at least for the espresso machine. While it is possible to find 230-240 volts in a kitchen or laundry in the US, my bet is that the appliances would be hard-wired, not connected to a power-point.

    Greg
    Cheers Greg, thanks for your info!

    I also have a KitchenAid mixer that I really dont want to leave behind, so perhaps Ill take the Mazzer along too and purchase a decent transformer to cope with them. Just cant justify selling and rebuying too many toys! :-/ Will pack them both extremely well myself, to hopefully guarantee their safe transfer to new home.

    Slowcoffee.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Slowcoffee,

    In regards to the kitchenaid stuff, definitely sell it here and re-purchase over there. When I was in the US, my wife made my life miserable nagging me to buy a cheap kitchenaid there (shed had it on the wishlist for years) and they were very cheap there.

    Her sister who lives in the US is an electrical engineer and said that even with the cheaper price in the US, the hassle wasnt worth it because of the voltage difference.

    Edit:Main point being, theyre cheaper there than here. You might even be able to sell yours second hand and have some change after buying a new one there.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Hi ACog - thanks for your thoughts.

    Im assuming all this stuff devalues pretty quickly, so wonder how out of pocket wed be after all the sales and repurchases (including the final one of buying it all anew back here)

    Were going across for a fixed 3yr period, so a $100 transformer (despite being a bulky item to have in a kitchen), isnt too bad an option - is it???

    Obviously still confused! :-/
    Slowcoffee.



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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    I ran a transformer to get 120 volts for a few of my Canadian appliances and a stereo when in New Zealand, but that was because the re-purchase was at expensive NZ prices.

    Electrical motors and such are easy to store, and last well. Im not sure about other electronics and stuff like espresso machines (they mostly didnt exist when I moved from Canada to NZ!).

    Do check appliance prices in the US before you decide, most are very cheap there, and Im sure they have the equivalent of Vinnies or Cash Converts if you are happy with second hand.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    orphanespresso in the USA can set you up with a transformer for not much cash, and do mail orders- alternatively they have some nice 110V machines.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Quote Originally Posted by 1F3B323231310B1F3B27393B540 link=1248439644/6#6 date=1248442873
    The US does have a 240 volt system
    Its wired in there laundry area not sure if its 50 or 60 htz
    Some CS er will know
    In the US youll find 220-240V 60Hz single phase service. This is typically only found on major appliances such as a kitchen stove, a clothes dryer, or a hot water heater. Unless you own the house legally youll have to hire an electrician to run a new 220/240V circuit and thats if the buildings owner will approve it. This will be a very expensive job! Depending on the complexities it can run you anywhere from $200 if the outlet is right next to the main panel to $1,000 or even more if its a long ways away and in a wall.

    The standard outlet in the US is a 110/120V 15 amp one. 110/120V 20 amp outlets are not very common and 220/240V outlets of any amperage are virtually unheard of. A few apartment buildings (very few!) will have a 220/240V outlet for an in-wall air conditioning unit.

    I would probably be looking at acquiring new/used equipment for use here in the US. Where-abouts will you be located?


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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Quote Originally Posted by 786479796E657F62656A68646D6D6E6E0B0 link=1248439644/17#17 date=1248534210
    orphanespresso in the USA can set you up with a transformer for not much cash, and do mail orders- alternatively they have some nice 110V machines.
    Thanks for the tip *;) - will google orphanespresso and do some research on roughly how much things are likely to cost.

    Slowcoffee.

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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Javaphile,

    Thanks so much for your input! *Great to hear from someone currently living over in that part of the world.

    Were off to Florida in December - really looking forward to experiencing life over there and all the amazing opportunities for travel. *Already have a list a mile long for where we want to go! :D

    Ive realised from the feedback on this thread that Im best to sell my Levetta here and purchase something new/used when we get there. *Im fairly comfortable with that, though a touch sad! :(

    For the rest, I need to make life as simple as possible (with all the other things to arrange, with a move o/seas), so think Ill take the Mazzer and KitchenAid, to be used with a transformer which Ill purchase on arrival. *All other small electricals (jug/toaster etc) will definitely buy when we get there.

    Any tips for getting a good coffee in the States? *I hear they use something called Creamer in their milk coffees. *Is this some sort of milk substitute??? *Love to hear about any quirky things to be aware of! :o

    Im very much looking forward to finding the organic/free-range/whole food/farmers market side of the US! *Have found a few good websites already. *

    Thanks again Javaphile,
    Slowcoffee.



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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E71726A7E727B7B78781D0 link=1248439644/20#20 date=1248607780
    Were off to Florida in December
    Im feeling sorry for you already! ::) ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E71726A7E727B7B78781D0 link=1248439644/20#20 date=1248607780
    I hear they use something called Creamer in their milk coffees.
    Theres cream and then theres creamer. Cream is typically half & half (half whole milk and half heavy cream) while creamer is a dry powder used as a (poor) substitute for cream.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E71726A7E727B7B78781D0 link=1248439644/20#20 date=1248607780
    Any tips for getting a good coffee in the States?
    If youre not going to roast your own drop me a line and Im sure we can come to an arrangement that will keep your taste buds happy. :)


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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

    Thanks Javaphile, thats exceptionally kind of you! *May well take you up on that one. *[smiley=dankk2.gif]

    Im going to Florida with a very open mind - and hopefully will be pleasantly surprised... *It cant all be retirees, gators and hurricanes - can it??? :-/

    Would be interested to hear more of how you are finding life over there (both the good + the bad). *Whereabouts are you located? *

    Cheers,
    Slowcoffee.
    (ready to tackle swirling winds; scary, snapping creatures; and The Golden Girls - should the need arise!) * >:( ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 415E5D45515D54545757320 link=1248439644/22#22 date=1248693898
    Thanks Javaphile, thats exceptionally kind of you! *May well take you up on that one. *[smiley=dankk2.gif]

    Im going to Florida with a very open mind - and hopefully will be pleasantly surprised... *It cant all be retirees, gators and hurricanes - can it??? :-/

    Would be interested to hear more of how you are finding life over there (both the good + the bad). *Whereabouts are you located? *

    Cheers,
    Slowcoffee.
    (ready to tackle swirling winds; scary, snapping creatures; and The Golden Girls - should the need arise!) * >:( ;D
    Watch out for the flatlander sweep :-) and some of that Cuban coffee... The good stuff is something else.. But it has been a few years since I was there and like many things... The quality product becomes a bit scarce and or ya need a local to introduce you.



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    Re: Moving - to take or not to take...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C4340584C4049494A4A2F0 link=1248439644/22#22 date=1248693898
    Im going to Florida with a very open mind - and hopefully will be pleasantly surprised...It cant all be retirees, gators and hurricanes - can it??? :-/
    Nope! You forgot the tourists! :D

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C4340584C4049494A4A2F0 link=1248439644/22#22 date=1248693898
    Whereabouts are you located?
    Im in Minnesota. Kind of the polar opposite of Florida. ;)


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