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    Couple of Tamper Questions

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    Somewhere I read that Greg Pullman said the baskets for the Sunbeam EM6910 were some of the most consistent sized he had come across.

    My questions are:
    1. *If this is so, then I imagine the supplied Sunbeam tamper fits like a glove - mine seems to have no play *:) * So what advantage is there for am EM6910 owner to upgrade from the stock tamper?

    2. The EM6910 has a pressure gauge -does this serve the same purpose as the group handle gauge that Greg Pullman is hiring out?

    Always willing to learn from those who have the right answers *;)


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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    The pressure guage in coffee machines are good estimates of the pressure at the group head but because the gauge is not at the group head it is not super accurate (hence why the pullman is on the road). After using the tamper supplied with the EM6910 it might fit alright but it feels awful, it doesnt come close to a decent tamper for usability and repeatability. Is it ok yes are there better definitely.

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by 406761666B120 link=1253774275/0#0 date=1253774275
    So what advantage is there for am EM6910 owner to upgrade from the stock tamper?
    Weight...Rattleware, Pullman, Reg Barber (my fav), Espro will all do a far better job of evenly compacting the coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by 406761666B120 link=1253774275/0#0 date=1253774275
    The EM6910 has a pressure gauge -does this serve the same purpose as the group handle gauge that Greg Pullman is hiring out?
    Nope. A pressure gauge measures the resistance directly at the group. Given that you wouldnt be able to make any adjustments to the SB it has no benefit.


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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by 587F797E730A0 link=1253774275/0#0 date=1253774275
    Somewhere I read that Greg Pullman said the baskets for the Sunbeam EM6910 were some of the most consistent sized he had come across.

    My questions are:
    1. *If this is so, then I imagine the supplied Sunbeam tamper fits like a glove - mine seems to have no play *:) * So what advantage is there for am EM6910 owner to upgrade from the stock tamper?

    2. The EM6910 has a pressure gauge -does this serve the same purpose as the group handle gauge that Greg Pullman is hiring out?

    Always willing to learn from those who have the right answers *;)
    They are very consistent, or at least they have been up to now. The standard Sunbeam tamper is normally almost bang on 58mm whereas the baskets are normally a lot closer to 59mm. If yours fits like a glove, 1) theyre making the baskets baskets smaller than theyve historically been, or 2) theyre making the tamper larger than theyve normally been, or 3) youre used to gloves that are too big! ;D

    As Dennis has mentioned, more expensive tampers are generally heavier, they can also sometimes look nicer, have better quality machining and better ergonomics. As far as the ones we make, theyre machined to fit properly for each machine (in our books, which is a lot better than 1mm of clearance - can you jiggle your tamper from side to side in the basket much?), youve got height adjustability in the Barista, better ergonomics and comfort, several hand-turned timber handles in the Deluxe, definitely better machining on both than the Sunbeam jobbie, the list goes on. We dont make a big thing out of weight because heavier isnt automatically better; I did however put a lot of work into getting the Barista to be lighter (thats right, not heavier) but balanced, and the feedback weve had is that its a lot nicer to use a lighter and more evenly weighted tamper than swinging half a kilo of bottom-heavy steel all day. People presume heavy = better quality, but when it comes to actually using it its not quite so.

    Those sorts of qualities are irrelevant to some people, to others theyre worth a lot. If youre the former type Id just stick with what youve got; if the latter you might like to pop into a nearby sponsor and have a look at a few different tampers. Even if you dont find one you particularly like, you should at least get a bit of an appreciation of where the money goes in the pricier units.

    Greg

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions


    Thanks moto, Dennis & Greg :)

    I guess the bottom line is how much improvement will I taste in the cappuccinos I make.

    Looks like a visit to sponsor and a side by side comparison - maybe I can find one who will let me try a coffee made using each tamper ::)

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    It made a massive difference to me rusty, greg pullmans tamper perfectly matched to the synesso double ridgeless!, almost completely eliminated early blonding for me, and prevented channeling too!.........worth every cent, i love it, it fits perfect, easy to repeat with the level lines around the base, heavy, well engineered, you can tell a lot of research went into the making of this product......

    and its yours!, with your own personal serial number stamped on it! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3733150C0C0916010E600 link=1253774275/5#5 date=1253832417
    and its yours!, with your own personal serial number stamped on it!
    WOW! *Just what I wanted *;D

    Let me see.... *I made that coffee with a 30lb tamp from my #123456 *- so much better than my #000000 *:D

    Quote Originally Posted by 3733150C0C0916010E600 link=1253774275/5#5 date=1253832417
    It made a massive difference to me rusty, greg pullmans tamper perfectly matched to the synesso double ridgeless!, almost completely eliminated early blonding for me, and prevented channeling too!.........worth every cent, i love it, it fits perfect, easy to repeat with the level lines around the base, heavy, well engineered, you can tell a lot of research went into the making of this product......
    Thanks for the feedback - thats the sort of advice Im looking for *:)

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E494F48453C0 link=1253774275/6#6 date=1253832733
    Quote Originally Posted by 3733150C0C0916010E600 link=1253774275/5#5 date=1253832417
    and its yours!, with your own personal serial number stamped on it!
    WOW! *Just what I wanted *;D

    Let me see.... *I made that coffee with a 30lb tamp from my #123456 *- so much better than my #000000 *:D
    Oh the sarcasm! ::) ;) The serial numbers obviously dont make a scrap of difference to the result in the cup directly, theyre mainly there for our benefit. We keep records of the dimensions of all our tampers which helps us deal with situations like:
    * a mate has tamper #xyz and it fits my baskets, can I have one the same
    * I bought this tamper from you a few years ago and Im about to get a xyz machine - is it likely to fit?
    * I left my tamper at work and someones borrowed it - can I get another one the same size?
    * I have a xyz machine, do you know what size tamper it should require?

    If you noticed, each of those scenarios is a customer request. As such, you do benefit indirectly from the serial numbers, but only in that they allow us to maximise the value of our records and provide you a more precise service.

    Greg

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Hi-jacking for one second, Greg, if i gave you my number, could you match a synesso tripple to it? well near enough? its for a naked.....cheers, PM would be fine

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by 223720223530292928242B450 link=1253774275/7#7 date=1253835087
    The serial numbers obviously dont make a scrap of difference to the result in the cup directly, theyre mainly there for our benefit. We keep records of the dimensions of all our tampers which helps us deal with situations like:
    * a mate has tamper #xyz and it fits my baskets, can I have one the same
    * I bought this tamper from you a few years ago and Im about to get a xyz machine - is it likely to fit?
    * I left my tamper at work and someones borrowed it - can I get another one the same size?
    * I have a xyz machine, do you know what size tamper it should require?

    If you noticed, each of those scenarios is a customer request. As such, you do benefit indirectly from the serial numbers, but only in that they allow us to maximise the value of our records and provide you a more precise service.

    Greg *

    Yep, thats what I figured.

    I am impressed by your attention to detail. *I am wavering in favour of your product over the Espro Click *8-)

    Any users wish to comment?

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    As we machine tampers, not baskets, Id need to know the diameter of the Synesso triple to be able to do that. We dont carry triples at this time because they dont fit most normal portafilters and are a lot larger in diameter than doubles and singles, which would complicate supplying a tamper to someone who orders a triple and a double or single.

    At best I could tell you about how loose your existing tamper is likely to be in a triple (I have two Synesso triple samples)

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Hi, I have a Sunbeam 6910.
    Just measured the double basket (58.85mm) & tamper (58.35mm)
    Would 0.5mm be considered a decent fit or not.
    If not, what sort of play is good?

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions


    Hi Todd,

    Mine comes up the same as yours - measured by my toolmaker son with his digital calipers.

    He wants to know what you do for a living and what you measured with.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Hi Rusty,
    I have a trade background as a printing machinist and am still involved in a printing company where I wear lots of different hats.

    I measured mine with digital calipers as well, but ones I bought to build slot cars.

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    0.5mm is pretty good, SB have obviously taken some of the feedback on and bumped up the size of the tamper. Its actually a better fit than youll get with most off-the-shelf expensive tampers as these are normally made to 58.0mm. The ones we make are machine-specific whenever possible, and for the 6910 we certainly go larger than 58.35mm.

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Thanks for that Greg,
    I will assume that the slightly rounded corner at the bottom outer edge would make it less effective as well.

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    If its only a small radius I wouldnt be too worried about it. People use convex tampers which essentially have one massive radius. Its probably more important to minimise the clearance between the tamper and basket wall so all of the puck gets tamped rather than leaving an untamped rim.

    I guess it really comes down to: For factory tampers you could do a lot worse than a SB unit; for aftermarket ones you could do a lot better.

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions


    Decision made and acted upon ;)

    Just ordered a Pullman Barista tamper plus a Synesso basket.

    Thanks to all who pointed me in the right direction and thanks to Greg for his patient and wise counsel :D

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Hey Rusty,
    Keep me posted on the improvement (or not) if you wouldnt mind as Ive been thinking about doing this myself.
    Thanks. :)

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D666F797A770E0 link=1253774275/18#18 date=1254116595
    Keep me posted on the improvement (or not) if you wouldnt mind as Ive been thinking about doing this myself.
    Hi Todd,

    I mentioned in another thread that I used the single basket for the first time this morning and the shot was better than Ive had from the double. I measured the capacity of both baskets and found the single held a lot more pro rata than the double. I figured this meant I updosed more in the single and that gave a better shot.

    The Synesso holds more than the Sunbeam so Im looking for the same improvement there plus whatever a better tamper contributes ;D

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

    From your comments Im presuming youre using the single basket for a single cup of coffee, and the double basket for two cups of coffee. Youre correct that single baskets normally hold more than half a double, and if youre using the baskets this way youre extracting the shot from a larger volume of coffee per cup. This typically give you a richer, sweeter and less bitter shot. However youll get even better results again by ditching the single basket altogether and using the double basket exclusively. Most folk round here do that and find by extracting the same amount of espresso out of a larger amount of coffee you get a much richer, sweeter and less bitter shot.

    Single baskets also have some inherent design problems for which theyre often avoided - have a read through http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1169781510/ if you want more info on that.

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions


    So the larger dose seems to be the clue.

    Except for this morning when my wife was out I always pull doubles. I have updosed as much as possible with the SB basket so Im looking forward to the slightly larger Synesso improving my shots, not to mention a certain Barista tamper ;)

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    Re: Couple of Tamper Questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D666F797A770E0 link=1253774275/18#18 date=1254116595
    Keep me posted on the improvement (or not) if you wouldnt mind as Ive been thinking about doing this myself.
    Hi Todd,

    The Pullman Barista plus Synesso basket are the best investment Ive made in accessories ;D

    Improved coffee - easier tamping and a joy to use.

    Go for it Todd :D



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