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    Attento Click Mat

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Just came across this item on the net. *Cant find anything in OZ about it.

    Has anyone tried it?

    Heres an overseas link just to show you what it looks like and what it does:
    http://tinyurl.com/y95oq6p

    I guess its OK to post the link seeing the product doesnt seem to be available in OZ *:)

    Apparently it sits under your group handle and emits a click when you tamp with the preset pressure which is adjustable.

    Sounds like a good idea because you could use it with any tamper and is easily adjustable. *::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 456264636E170 link=1253938340/0#0 date=1253938340
    Apparently it sits under your group handle and emits a click when you tamp with the preset pressure which is adjustable.

    Sounds like a good idea because you could use it with any tamper and is easily adjustable.Roll Eyes
    Yes I agree
    Its a great tool for consistent tamping

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    Quote Originally Posted by 153138383B3B0115312D33315E0 link=1253938340/1#1 date=1253940856
    Yes I agree
    Its a great tool for consistent tamping
    Have you used one, and do you know if they are available locally?

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C6B6D6A671E0 link=1253938340/2#2 date=1253941410
    Have you used one, and do you know if they are available locally?
    No I havent used it or seen it in Australia

    However after a few hundred tamps you will do it intuitively

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    Ive emailed our sponsors to see if they know if its available locally.

    Ive found two overseas sources who ship to OZ :)
    Espresso Road in USA AU$75.65 delivered
    Coffee Hit in the UK around AU$65 delivered.




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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Quote Originally Posted by 183C353536360C183C203E3C530 link=1253938340/1#1 date=1253940856
    Quote Originally Posted by 456264636E170 link=1253938340/0#0 date=1253938340
    Apparently it sits under your group handle and emits a click when you tamp with the preset pressure which is adjustable.

    Sounds like a good idea because you could use it with any tamper and is easily adjustable.Roll Eyes
    Yes I agree
    Its a great tool for consistent tamping

    KK
    Hi KK with all respect if you havnt used it or heard any user reviews then all you can claim is that it sounds like a good idea, It could be a completely rubbish product that sux even for use as a door stop or it might be awesome, only people who have used it actually know.

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E36333326371C2E222D7574430 link=1253938340/5#5 date=1254015066
    Hi KK with all respect if you havnt used it or heard any user reviews then all you can claim is that it sounds like a good idea, It could be a completely rubbish product that sux even for use as a door stop or it might be awesome, only people who have used it actually know.

    Ok then

    It sounds like a great tool for consistent tamping :o as it works on the same principle of the click tamper but in a tamper mat adaptation

    Please read all the replies e.g.

    Quote Originally Posted by 082C252526261C082C302E2C430 link=1253938340/3#3 date=1253941787
    However after a few hundred tamps you will do it intuitively
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    It seems the Attento was once called Xpressivo and is now called Espresso Gear :o

    Does that ring any bells ::)

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    I havent used it and by the look of it I wouldnt bother. *

    If youre really concerned about tamp pressure a set of scales will help, as will a decent tamper. *You do have a decent tamper dont you? *:-/




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    Quote Originally Posted by 4F6E656562780B0 link=1253938340/8#8 date=1254037983
    If youre really concerned about tamp pressure a set of scales will help
    I tried scales and was surprised to see how erratic and over the top my tamping was *:o

    The Sunbeam tamper is not all that bad by reports from other CS. *Greg Pullman suggests that if asthetics are not my cup of tea it will probably do the job *;)

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C796E6C7B7E6767666A650B0 link=1253774275/3#3 date=1253794442
    As Dennis has mentioned, more expensive tampers are generally heavier, they can also sometimes look nicer, have better quality machining and better ergonomics. As far as the ones we make, theyre machined to fit properly for each machine (in our books, which is a lot better than 1mm of clearance - can you jiggle your tamper from side to side in the basket much?), youve got height adjustability in the Barista, better ergonomics and comfort, several hand-turned timber handles in the Deluxe, definitely better machining on both than the Sunbeam jobbie, the list goes on. We dont make a big thing out of weight because heavier isnt automatically better; I did however put a lot of work into getting the Barista to be lighter (thats right, not heavier) but balanced, and the feedback weve had is that its a lot nicer to use a lighter and more evenly weighted tamper than swinging half a kilo of bottom-heavy steel all day. People presume heavy = better quality, but when it comes to actually using it its not quite so.

    Those sorts of qualities are irrelevant to some people, to others theyre worth a lot. If youre the former type Id just stick with what youve got; if the latter you might like to pop into a nearby sponsor and have a look at a few different tampers. Even if you dont find one you particularly like, you should at least get a bit of an appreciation of where the money goes in the pricier units.

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    Well Rusty, I beg to differ. The SB tamper is certainly better than most of the excuses for tampers that come with other espresso equipment, but a decent tamper will improve your shots far better than this attento gizmo.

    Anyway, if it makes you happy I think you should go for it.

    Cheers

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    Thanks Dennis. Im leaning towards the Coffee Lab Design tamper or the Pullman Barista. The Coffee Lab is half the price of the Pullman but I like the precision that Greg works to and his very helpful attitude. :)

    I guess the bottom line for a pensioner is the cost :(



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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Why not a Demeral tamper instead? The pressure can be set to whatever you require...

    Just a thought...

    2mcm

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Quote Originally Posted by 1A3D3B3C31480 link=1253938340/9#9 date=1254039862
    Quote Originally Posted by 4F6E656562780B0 link=1253938340/8#8 date=1254037983
    If youre really concerned about tamp pressure a set of scales will help
    The Sunbeam tamper is not all that bad by reports from other CS. *Greg Pullman suggests that if asthetics are not my cup of tea it will probably do the job *;)

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C796E6C7B7E6767666A650B0 link=1253774275/3#3 date=1253794442
    As Dennis has mentioned, more expensive tampers are generally heavier, they can also sometimes look nicer, have better quality machining and better ergonomics. As far as the ones we make, theyre machined to fit properly for each machine (in our books, which is a lot better than 1mm of clearance - can you jiggle your tamper from side to side in the basket much?), youve got height adjustability in the Barista, better ergonomics and comfort, several hand-turned timber handles in the Deluxe, definitely better machining on both than the Sunbeam jobbie, the list goes on. We dont make a big thing out of weight because heavier isnt automatically better; I did however put a lot of work into getting the Barista to be lighter (thats right, not heavier) but balanced, and the feedback weve had is that its a lot nicer to use a lighter and more evenly weighted tamper than swinging half a kilo of bottom-heavy steel all day. People presume heavy = better quality, but when it comes to actually using it its not quite so.

    Those sorts of qualities are irrelevant to some people, to others theyre worth a lot. If youre the former type Id just stick with what youve got; if the latter you might like to pop into a nearby sponsor and have a look at a few different tampers. Even if you dont find one you particularly like, you should at least get a bit of an appreciation of where the money goes in the pricier units.

    Umm... not quite Rusty! I can count at least seven items in that list which have nothing to do with aesthetics and I never actually passed any comment on the SB tamper being not that bad. Im quite happy to say the SB tamper IS better than most factory tampers, but thats because most factory tampers are SO bad - compare mediocre to rubbish and the mediocre looks good. Most factory ones are two discs of black plastic (about 3mm undersized) connected by a thin stalk. The SB tamper is better because at least its close in size and its more comfortable to hold, but in absolute terms its still 99% plastic, light, cheap, loose-fitting, the metal cap over the tamping surface unsticks in time (a small piece of double-sided tape doesnt last that long ::)) and the surface is normally brushed linearly like the machine - so when you try to polish the puck it rips it rather than smooths it.

    Aesthetics are one part of a good tamper but its sometimes the unseen elements which really set them apart from the cheapies.

    I guess it really comes down to: For factory tampers you could do a lot worse than a SB unit; for aftermarket ones you could do a lot better.


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    I guess I misinterpreted your comments :-[

    I hear you loud and clear this time.

    Greg, am I wrong in assuming that the Synesso basket is unsuitable for the 6910? Or would your tamper and a Synesso make an ideal combination for the SB?

    Cheers,

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    The Synesso basket is certainly suitable for the 6910 and a number of CSers have taken that combo already. We do carry the 6910 baskets as well but mainly only to suit some smaller portafilters that wont take a Synesso basket - the 6910 units are slightly shallower than the Synesso ones and they neck in more towards the bottom. Pic below demonstrates both these points.

    Theyre an excellent basket in their own right and one were happy to recommend, but the Synesso ones are a touch better. As such you probably wont notice a lot of difference between the way they each behave as you would if you were replacing say a Silvia double basket, but you should still get an extra gram or two of coffee into a Synesso which in turn helps with richer extractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4F5A4D4F585D4444454946280 link=1253938340/15#15 date=1254095905
    The Synesso basket is certainly suitable for the 6910 and a number of CSers have taken that combo already. We do carry the 6910 baskets as well but mainly only to suit some smaller portafilters that wont take a Synesso basket - the 6910 units are slightly shallower than the Synesso ones and they neck in more towards the bottom. Pic below demonstrates both these points.

    Theyre an excellent basket in their own right and one were happy to recommend, but the Synesso ones are a touch better. As such you probably wont notice a lot of difference between the way they each behave as you would if you were replacing say a Silvia double basket, but you should still get an extra gram or two of coffee into a Synesso which in turn helps with richer extractions.

    Greg


    Sunbeam on left, Synesso on right
    As one who got a Synesso from Greg... I can confirm that it works well in the EM6910... As I like a strong flavour but bot the caffeine, I found that the extra gram or two assisted with my shots as I always pull short and this basket helped with maintaining a good volume to taste ratio.

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    OK Greg - you convinced me ;D

    I will place an order online today for a Barista plus the Synesso basket.

    The other thing that helped convince me was that this morning I used the single basket for the first time and it delivered a great shot :D

    I just measured the capacity of both baskets and the single holds 18gms and the double 24gms. I figure the difference in shot quality was that I updosed more on the single. :)

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Getting back to the click mat, the problem I have with scales or at least the old set of spring scales I use, is that on the bench top they are to high, a lower profile wold be an advantage. The click mat looks good in that respect.

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Getting back to the click mat again :)
    theres a *thread over on CG, worth a read as it highlights a issue with the product
    click here ;D

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Quote Originally Posted by 49565C4D505E525A4D3F0 link=1253938340/19#19 date=1254616324
    Getting back to the click mat again :)
    theres a *thread over on CG, worth a read as it highlights a issue with the product
    click here ;D
    I read that article just yesterday & thought about a thread tape mod is in order
    Unless the unit in question on the CG post was faulty

    But in reality it should be manufactured to work properly

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    i guess, if one of our sponsors takes it on then we can sleep at night knowing we have backup if it does fail.......certainly wouldnt be ordering one from OS yet though....... ;)

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    Heres a pro barista who uses one and loves it :D
    http://tinyurl.com/y9g8ub5

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    I tracked them down for US$24.95 at Chris Coffee in the USA, but had problems with their email responses not getting through to me (at least that was their story) *;)

    When we finally made contact they were out of stock and would not be carrying them again *>:(

    I dont feel like paying around AU$65 to get one from the UK so Ill never know if they were any good * ::)

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Quote Originally Posted by 2B746C7A717A767F7F7C7C747877190 link=1253938341/12#12 date=1254089300
    Why not a Demeral tamper instead? The pressure can be set to whatever you require...

    Just a thought...

    2mcm *
    The Demaral is a tamper...the click mat is a tamping mat. A tamping mat allows choice of tamper. 53 mm, 57 mm, 58 mm, flat, convex.....does it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 587A7C67606A7C0F0 link=1253938341/24#24 date=1266916444
    The Demaral is a tamper...the click mat is a tamping mat. A tamping mat allows choice of tamper. 53 mm, 57 mm, 58 mm, flat, convex.....does it all.
    QED Dave....good point! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A7E584141445B4C432D0 link=1253938341/21#21 date=1254621984
    i guess, if one of our sponsors takes it on then we can sleep at night knowing we have backup if it does fail.......certainly wouldnt be ordering one from OS yet though....... ;)
    Hey Snobs,

    The Espresso School is now stocking the Attento Click Mat. $55 delivered - BARGAIN. Get it while you can.

    http://www.espressoschool.com.au/home/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl &product_id=22&category_id=8

    Cheers,

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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    We had a trial run of the Attento a couple of weeks ago.

    I used an Espro and confirm that they clicked together.

    I will be interested to see if these are popular or not...

    We are hoping to have them and some new Espresso Gear tampers as well this weekend.

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    Manual coffee brewing?? ::)

    Cool training tool :)

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    Not just a training tool. I believe it should and can be used in cafes by professional baristas

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5E6B66615549656C6C6F6F0A0 link=1253938342/27#27 date=1266920655
    We are hoping to have them and some new Espresso Gear tampers as well this weekend.
    Any idea on price at this stage ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 547375727F060 link=1253938342/30#30 date=1266969976
    Any idea on price at this stage
    David has them at $55 posted and in stock. Link is above here.

    Depending on how my pocket money is holding up by the weekend I am going to add one to my kit as I have a of my other staff who want to learn to make coffees.

    Any idea how the rubber mats hold up? I see they come with a spare in the kit?

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    First person to order and Ill waive the delivery cost. Email me for a discount code and it will knock it back to $49!! *:o

    ps: my email address is on my website at the bottom or alternatively:
    www.espressoschool.com.au/contact

    RE rubber mats: I havent pulled hundreds of shots on it yet so I cannot comment on durability of the rubber. Ben from Espresso Gear seems to use it without the rubber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 774142405741415D61515A5D5D5E320 link=1253938342/32#32 date=1267099854
    First person to order and Ill waive the delivery cost. Email me for a discount code and it will knock it back to $49!
    Email sent :D

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    Ive just ordered a Click-Mat from David :D

    Ill report back on its performance next week.

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    The Click-Mat arrived today but I was able to test it once only. The SB has a leaking collar and has gone in for repairs under warranty.

    The mat worked well and confirmed that Ive been over tamping quite a bit.

    Itll be a couple of weeks before I can try it again.

    My only observation is that the mat very quickly gets indentations from the spout of the portafilter, I guess thats why they give you a spare.

    Ive cut out a circle of rubber ducky matting and use that on top of the mat supplied. Hopefully that will protect the silicone mat somewhat ;)



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    Could you place the mat on a set of scales and perform a test of say 10 clicks/tamps, see how accurate the mat is.....ive heard they can be quite dodgy.......especially after a period of time......

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    Ill make a note to do that when the SB comes back.


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    you could do it without a coffee machine.......just place it on the scales, apply pressure till it clicks, record.......x10 ;)

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    Doh.... I knew that ;)

    Will do.

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    Alas my scales are digital with a slow response and they dont work well at low levels :(


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    Re: Attento Click Mat

    Am I correct in saying that the Demaral tamper works on tamping depth rather than tamping pressure?

    So if you overfilled your basket you could theoretically apply 50kg tamp pressure before it reached its "cut off" point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4E485F544E4951533A0 link=1253938342/41#41 date=1267593552
    Am I correct in saying that the Demaral tamper works on tamping depth rather than tamping pressure?

    So if you overfilled your basket you could theoretically apply 50kg tamp pressure before it reached its "cut off" point?
    Correct. The Demaral tamper tamps to a depth rather than a pressure. If you have a set depth on the demaral, having different doses will yield different pressures.

    Look out for a tamping article in the next edition of Bean Scene. It will cover tamping and a review of calibrated tampers including the demaral.

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    My EM6910 has just returned from having the collar replaced ;D

    Now I can start using the Click Mat in earnest.

    First observations:

    I was tamping way too heavily without the mat. I need to adjust the grind now to compensate for the lighter tamp.

    I have a concern that moisture may penetrate and corrode the mechanism. The adjustment slot that fits the Allen key seems to be sealed but it is metal and that concerns me. Maybe someone can allay my fears.

    The actual mat gets indented from the spouts of the portafilter, so I can see this becoming a regular replacement part :(




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    Quote Originally Posted by 5D7A7C7B760F0 link=1253938342/43#43 date=1268364978
    I was tamping way too heavily without the mat. *I need to adjust the grind now to compensate for the lighter tamp.
    Oh so many times I see that...

    Just manage ya dose level and if ya can... smooth off those lugs on the group.. That way the 6910 should see you out for some time.

    Others have commented about using another disposable layer to protect the actual mat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 654244434E370 link=1253938342/43#43 date=1268364978
    I have a concern that moisture may penetrate and corrode the mechanism.The adjustment slot that fits the Allen key seems to be sealed but it is metal and that concerns me.Maybe someone can allay my fears.
    The internals are stainless steel

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    Thanks Ben, I thought that might be the answer ::)

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    Kudos to David of The Espresso School and Ben of Espresso Gear Australia :D

    I had a problem with the Attento Click Mat (probably caused by a senior moment) *::) *David contacted Ben who sent me a new one immediately.

    Great service guys and much appreciated.


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    OHHH! I love senior moments :D

    Do tell Rusty.... 8-)

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight

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