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    Hi there i want to buy a coffee machine that does not require any tampering! I love my coffee but i couldnt be bothered to get that messy with coffee;) I dont have money for an automatic machine so ill have to settle for the next best thing! Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2D3B3E2F24212B4E0 link=1262555112/0#0 date=1262555112
    Hi there i want to buy a coffee machine that does not require any tampering! I love my coffee but i couldnt be bothered to get that messy with coffee;) I dont have money for an automatic machine so ill have to settle for the next best thing! Cheers
    Hi CJ,

    You probably dont want to hear this, but good coffee takes time and effort and if you are not prepared to take the time and make that effort, your best option is to get a bloke/girl to do that for you in a great cafe not too far from home....

    If you just want to push a button, you will get an outcome which reflects your effort- i.e average. CS thoughts are that Jura is the way to go in Superautos but you are advised to steel yourself for regular services and $$$.

    Without some specifics on budget and laziness level, thats about the best I can offer ;)...

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    Hi CJ

    you should consider a POD coffee machine..............

    that said the coffee may not be any good......

    if you buy something with a group-handle you will have to "muck around with messy coffee"

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Have you considered a plunger or pourover?

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    When you say "I love my coffee", what coffee do you mean, espresso? Drip? Instant?

    What do you mean by "Messy", do you mean literal or metophorical? :-?

    Ive heard you can get away without tamping to some degree with pressurised baskets, ive never done it or seen it done as ive never owned a machine with pressurised baskets.

    Prolly need to explain a bit more in order to get some sound and constructive advice.

    cheers mate
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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F494C5D5653593C0 link=1262555112/0#0 date=1262555112
    Hi there i want to buy a coffee machine that does not require any tampering! I love my coffee but i couldnt be bothered to get that messy with coffee;) I dont have money for an automatic machine so ill have to settle for the next best thing! Cheers
    As per all above.

    1: Good coffee is not that messy...

    2: Many manual systems are worthwhile, but they all require fresh beans and a good grinder... That means a little work on your part.

    3: Automatic machines from Hardly Normal and many other places are a lot more work than you think... Every system requires maintenance and fresh raw products...

    If you only want to press a button and have it all done.. Then Instant or pod... But would not say that it is Good coffee...

    I am assuming you like it BLACK... If you like milk... Then Autos can often require even more effort to keep the milk part clean... Unless you like sour milk...

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Ive recently purchased a GPP and have to say with a good grinder and this machine there is really little mess with making a good coffee. Even with my previous machine a Gaggia there was only a little mess, mainly ground coffee on the bench which can be wiped up quickly and easily. I think Id prefer to clean up the little mess with my current set up than having to clean an auto machine. A neighbour of mine got an auto machine for Christmas last year and just doesnt use it because it takes too long to clean - they come to our house for coffee now!! AND they can see the mistake they made!!

    Tampering is not hard or messy!!

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    I am learning so much! Keep talking I had a laugh!

    Ok so let me clear this up and give a detailed reply...

    I like cappuccinos but it takes me forever to make one in my pourover and then to clean everything up! I just use ground coffee which tastes amazing! I hate cleaning the milk frother after every freaking drink!

    My parents have Jura and i loved it cos i just had to press a button and occassionally empty the grounds and fill the water! I use to unplug it in the kitchen and take it to the study and just keep making white coffee while i study with no effort what so ever! Thats how much i love coffee:)

    I have recently moved to Australia and have tasted the best coffee in the world! My addiction has grown to dangerous levels:) I want to buy a coffee machine... but i have heard people selling coffee machines knocking manual machines saying they are hard to clean and you end up with coffee on the counter and you need to grind your own coffee tamper the coffee etc.

    I dont mind doing all of this but im the only one in the house drinking coffee now. Currently im using a pourover which is a freaking mission! First off its a 6 cup espresso maker and if i make coffee i have to drink 5 other shots as well! So i have wasted coffee! But it takes so long to prepare a cup of coffee that i cant even prepare a cup in the morning! I really miss my morning cup but now i dont have the time to make one!

    Is a manual machine really a lot of work? in terms of cleaning after each use and prep time?
    If i do get a nespresso machine (i prefer not to) i have geard that you need to put in like 3 pods before you actually taste the flavour of the coffee in your cuppaccino. Is this true?
    Would it be easy to make a cuppaccino with a manual machine?

    I guess im just so over the hard work created by my frother and pourover that i dont want to do anymore work. But i get the whole what you put in is what you get out when you talk about a manual machine!

    Cheers

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Also i only want to spend like $1000 max on my new machine

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Hi CJ,

    I think its time for you to view a great Aussie film: The Castle. In that film, you will meet a very wise bloke by the name of Kerrigan and he will help you come to fully understand the great Aussie saying "Tell im es dreamin ".

    My advice to you is that if you want superauto and to simply push a button at any quality level whatsoever, you will need to purchase a Jura machine and youll need much more than $1000. If you proceed down this pathway, dont expect anything better than decidedly average.

    2mcm

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Max $1,000? Like cappuccinos? Get a Lelit Combi, AND a tamper. And then get the best beans you can get (see BeanBay, Cuppacoffee, or roast your own), a bit of practice learning technique, and away you go.

    If you really love coffee, thats my recommendation. The Lelit is a good unit - a manual (see semi-auto) single boiler machine with built in (Lux standard) grinder. I found it easy to use, not messy (doserless grinder, straight into the basket, plus 3-way valve relieving group pressure). I use a timer switch, turns it on in the morning about a half hour before I drag myself out. Put in as much beans as you need, grind into the basket, tamp (takes 3 secs), pour the shot, press the steam button, steam the milk (then switch off the steam button and refill boiler whilst giving the wand a wipe). Done. No mess, no fuss. Of course a little bit of cleaning and maintenance is always required. Providing you use good beans and do your bit, it makes beautiful coffee and youll wonder why you thought of doing it any other way.

    If the above sounds too much, find a good cafe. ;)

    You can find the Lelit on the web-sites of site sponsors Talk Coffee and Cuppacoffee. IMMHO the best value under $1,000.

    (Tamping is not a hassle. Drinking bad coffee would be a hassle.)

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by 392F2A3B30353F5A0 link=1262555112/7#7 date=1262637902
    what you put in is what you get out
    Now you understand.

    You mentioned using ground coffee; do you have a grinder?

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Greg you the man!

    Im still tempted with the nespresso concept... i think i just lost a couple of friends:)

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B7D786962676D080 link=1262555112/12#12 date=1262646898
    Im still tempted with the nespresso concept...
    I was tempted by the $40 colour printer too...and then I realised that the cartridges would be twice the cost of the printer :o

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A6C697873767C190 link=1262555112/7#7 date=1262637902
    My parents have Jura and i loved it cos i just had to press a button and occassionally empty the grounds and fill the water! I use to unplug it in the kitchen and take it to the study and just keep making white coffee while i study with no effort what so ever! Thats how much i love coffee:)
    Second hand Jura?

    The Problem is CJ, you have come to a community of Manual Making Coffee lovers, coming in and saying you dislike what we like will return some "average" responces, i think, from reading your posts, that any manual coffee making procedure will be too messy for you, if you want a fully auto machine then be prepared to pay for it, both upfront and in ongoing maintenance, Nespresso machines arent cheap either, plus i think around .50c per pod!, so i see the following options;

    1. Get messy like the rest of us....and love it! ;D

    2. Stay clean with full auto or pod.....and have no $$$$ or quality coffee to speak of::)

    3. Get a tin of instant and a can of Fluffy Whip cream......at least its cheap, and it does contain caffeine! ;D

    there will always be trade offs........

    best of luck with your search mate
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    It comes down to peoples wants needs and personal tastes.

    As an example I have my Giotto/mazzer combo and roast my own beans.

    My mum has lost a bit of mobility over the last few years and I was worried about her boiling kettles to make her nascafe blend 43!

    I got her a nespresso for Christmas and supply of pods (Yes Chris they are poison $ wise)

    She gets as much enjoyment out of it as I do from my set up. *She is the talk of the retirement village and says the coffee reminds her of the coffee she used to get a Myer Melbourne in the 70s I had a laugh.

    The point is that although most of us here are, for want of a better word Coffee Snobs! it all comes down to what works for us as individuals.

    I have a friend who is a wine buff and the look he gives me when he sees some of the stuff I drink! *

    Coffee isnt like most other things in life, you dont always get what you pay for. *$3000 + for a Jura vs a Giotto/mazzer combo for example, i know which I would choose but the next person might not.

    Why not go into a retail and demo some of the auto machines and then *arrange with one of our sponsors to demo some machines with them.

    Only you will know if the taste you get from either set up is offset by the mess or hassle vs convenience.

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    The fact is not everyone is born to be a coffee snob, we are in the minority.

    I talked a friend of mine into buying a real coffee machine. Although he was very happy with the results it produced, he simply could not be bothered with the effort. He returned it for a Gaggia super auto which he is happier with.

    Heís an intelligent guy who understands the limitations of the machine but is happy to sacrifice quality for convenience. As he puts it, itís still much much better than drinking instant.

    CJ I think this is going to be your best option. My advice is to get an extended warranty and be prepared for good but not great coffee.

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    I respect you manual coffee snobs!! Im an auto coffee snob! Im happy with good not great coffee! I must agree with your friend Caffeine Junky! Manual coffee would be great if i had someone to make it for me!

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    I would get a pod machine and not one of the nespresso ones. Pretty sure they are about $1 per shot. My mate was gonna buy a nespresso machine but I was out at my roaster the other day and asked if they do pods. I bought 50 pods for $35. Each pod is a double shot albeit it weak. His machine is just a cheap delonghi and the volume of the shot is about twice what it should be but I tasted the coffee and it had reasonable body wasnt bitter or sour and quite pleasant. Certainly better than any of the autos Ive tried. The steamer for the milk on a $100 machine would be as good as a $1000 machine from retail outlets. At least you can take the froth enhancers off cheap machines and avoid dish water froth on top of your coffee.

    To me half the flavor in a latte or cappuccino(note a real one without chocolate on top) is the velvety texture and flavor of well steamed milk. You cant get that with most autos!!!! or at least ones I have seen. If you like supermarket preground coffee then you will certainly be more than happy with pods from a good supplier.

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by 506F696E737445587563767F1A0 link=1262555112/18#18 date=1262919451
    I would get a pod machine and not one of the nespresso ones. *Pretty sure they are about $1 per shot. *My mate was gonna buy a nespresso machine but I was out at my roaster the other day and asked if they do pods. *I bought 50 pods for $35. *Each pod is a double shot albeit it weak. *His machine is just a cheap delonghi and the volume of the shot is about twice what it should be but I tasted the coffee and it had reasonable body wasnt bitter or sour and quite pleasant. *Certainly better than any of the autos Ive tried. *The steamer for the milk on a $100 machine would be as good as a $1000 machine from retail outlets. *At least you can take the froth enhancers off cheap machines and avoid dish water froth on top of your coffee.

    To me half the flavor in a latte or cappuccino(note a real one without chocolate on top) is the velvety texture and flavor of well steamed milk. *You cant get that with most autos!!!! or at least ones I have seen. *If you like supermarket preground coffee then you will certainly be more than happy with pods from a good supplier.
    Cut a pod open... Have a close look... A real close look = Microscope. Also take particular note of the product specifications etc... Read with a very open mind....

    A certain percentage of a pod is INSTANT... If my research was correct ;D

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    Hey it doesnt matter what is in there. *The pods that I am talking about tasted better than any auto machine Ive ever tasted from. *At the end of the day it is only the taste that matters.

    Believe me I wouldnt chose to buy them but for some people the messing around isnt worth it so pods are perfect. *The other added benefit is from what I can tell they keep well as they are individually packaged. *While for you and I they might be stale It is a far better option than whole beans for someone that doesnt drink much coffee.

    The average person with a cheap home machine and grinder doesnt turn over their beans very quickly. *Even the highest quality perfectly roasted beans will taste like !@#$ in 3 months time. *The pods should taste the same and that consistency is a good thing. Should I note that the coffee from the pods tasted as good as month old beans on my machine. It was a big surprise to me.


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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by 605542406D70270 link=1262555112/10#10 date=1262642340
    (Tamping is not a hassle. Drinking bad coffee would be a hassle.)
    Greg,
    I may just have to make this my motto. You are a true coffee snob ;) (compliment intended)
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    Yeah curse the fact that Im a coffee snob. The missus always wants to go out for coffee and I never enjoy it. Too bloody picky. Spend the time talking about the crappy coffee and being a nosy bugger watching how they operate. Forget Im there with someone!!!!!

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    I think making coffee on a manual machine isnt a hassel. Its takes me around 10 mins to make my coffee in the morning. I guess its all practive. After a while its like your on auto-pilot as your still half asleep before your coffee.You can add 5 mins clean up time or you can just leave it and do it when you get back or get someone else to do it. ;)

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by 4748535F47424750260 link=1262555112/23#23 date=1263792258
    I think making coffee on a manual machine isnt a hassel.
    I can see how some would see it as a hassle when theyre just starting out but the more experience and understanding you get, the easier (and smoother) the process becomes.

    Also, for non-coffee obsessives/tragics/snobs i can see how a fully automatic machine (or even a pod based system) would be appealing.

    I for one really enjoy the processes involved with manual machines and wouldnt swap it for anything.

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    I remember thinking way back when that a push button machine would have to be best because theyd always do exactly the same every time and thered be no chance of messing something up by doing it yourself. Im sure theres an element of truth there in that they will repeat the same process which is what makes them appealing to first timers. The problem of course is that they dont do it very well, so with a bit of practice you can get a much better result by doing it yourself. Whether the superior results are worth the minimal extra effort is an individual decision.

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    Dont use pods... we have them at work and they are total crapola. There are a whole raft of issues with pods i wont get into here. They are no substitute for fresh coffee beans made on an espresso machine - i consider the pod coffee we get at work to be almost a completely different drink to the coffee i can make at home.

    Pods are one step up from instant, ill give it that.

    I really enjoy making coffee (on a manual machine of course). It is something i look forward to doing when i wake up... i enjoy the entire process, from grinding to tamping to extracting to texturing milk, pouring and even the clean up process! The actual drinking of the coffee is nice too, but often i think i get more joy out of making it than drinking it.

    I think it is because it takes careful skill to make a good coffee, and when that happens i find it very rewarding.

    Automatic machines cant adjust grind for the humidity or bean, etc. Nor can they texture milk properly, or make adjustments to tamp pressure and so forth.

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

    I should add... it sounds like you drink a lot of black coffee... if that is the case have you considered the Chemex coffee maker, which uses simple paper filters? I have one and it does an awesome black coffee with no mess.

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    You should buy a Ponte Vechio lever machine from me... very little mess- tamping is simple- and truly stunning world class espresso. The milk frother has a 3 liter boiler to feed off- and can froth up superb, velvety cappuccino froth in seconds *;)

    you will need a grinder though.

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    my boss at my previous job bought a nespresso machine for the office. before that, we had a saeco royal professional rental machine - worth about $1800 at the time. the Saeco initially gave 6-7 second gusher shots with dreadful flavour, but I managed to tweak the grind and dose settings a bit (varied between 15 and 30 seconds extraction) and the end result was ok coffee but couldnt do much about the average milk frothing ability. When returning the machine for some repairs, I was "told off" by the coffee machine rental people for changing the grind settings - apparently they "set it" before delivery to the "correct" settings for Espresso. I tried to explain myself but to no avail. note to self - change the settings back to how they had it before it went back next time.

    Eventually the boss decided to buy a machine rather than rent. He bought one of those top-of-the-line Nespressos with the built in milk frother. I would have advised against it but my advice wasnt asked for... it was about $700 I think and we sampled about 15 different types of pods to work out which flavours everyone preferred. Something to keep in mind is that people who have sugar had quite different pod preferences to those of us who didnt use sugar. the consistent favourite with sugar was pretty bad without and vice versa. so if youre after easy (but average) coffee that at least tastes better than instant, then you might find a pod flavour that suits... They were $6.80 per pack of 10 pods though, and only available here by mail order, so if you run out before the next delivery, too bad...
    anyway my verdict was that I preferred the Saeco over the Nespresso for flavour, the Nespresso over the Saeco for ease of use and cost, and neither of them come close to the quality of coffee that youll get from even a very cheap manual machine and grinder.

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    Re: Is there a machine that does not require tampering

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0925253A2F387C73194A0 link=1262555112/29#29 date=1264761941
    ......When returning the machine for some repairs, I was "told off" by the coffee machine rental people for changing the grind settings - apparently they "set it" before delivery to the "correct" settings for Espresso.
    At that point I would ask, "Is there anyone here who knows anything about espresso machines and espresso, because its obvious you do not."



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