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    What is the recommended capacity jug for making one cup of a flat white or latte?
    Where is the capacity measured..full to the brim?
    Are there performance differences in the brands? There seems to be some significant price variation generally in milk jugs.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    For one drink of standard size, a 300ml jug is sufficient, can also use 600ml jug but they better suited to two drinks.
    I think the capacity would be measured nominally full

    The price/performance variation can come down to things like;
    - the handle, is it just a flat bit of steel or shaped for more comfort,
    probably a bigger issue if you are using it all day rather typical home use,
    - the shape of the spout generally has big impact on performance, a more pronounced spout should be better for any kind of latte artwork, but more expensive to produce,
    - the shape of the jug as well, with some shapes being easier to manufacture, but any shape should be able to achieve decent microfoam,
    - how much markup the seller puts on their products, no affect on performance, but can affect relative price, etc.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Thanks Bullitt.
    This will allow me to buy a small jug with good appreciation of price/value.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    get yourself a 400 mL jug. A lot easier to work with than a 300 mL jug. Abut 300, 350 or 400mL jugs are the perfect size to do one drink.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Well, would be good if you can get both the 600ml as well as 300 or 400ml jug. At least that way if friends drop by or there,s someone else there who would like some coffee, then you have some capacity to make 2 drinks.
    As for spout shape, some decent ones have a pronounced spout, lending itself to easier artwork.
    I was struggling with a jug with a wide spout for some time, only able to do decent tulips and hearts, but since i got a Incasa jug with a tapered spout, i can do nice rosettas, as well as retain the hearts and tulips.
    Cost me $9 for a 600ml jug.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Quote Originally Posted by 534944455741595353200 link=1285216055/4#4 date=1285829289
    would be good if you can get both the 600ml as well as 300 or 400ml jug.
    Depends a little on the machine being used to large a jug on a machine with weak or ordinary steam then 600 wont produce good milk at all. For Milk at home I use a 400 unless I am making a mug of Hot choc then I pull out the 600.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Actually, given how inexpensive most texturing jugs are throughout the size range, its often quite handy to use anything from 300ml right up to a 1.0Litre, depending on cup sizes, quantity, drink type, etc....

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    I have a 300 and 500 ml jug. They are pretty basic and relatively cheap about $15 each I think. The pouring lip seems OK .
    I use a Gaggia Classic fitted with a Rancilio Silvia steam wand.
    I find I get more consistent results with the smaller jug. I suspect it is a mixture of technique and machine limitations.
    At any rate I regularly do two cups of coffee at a time for my wife and I. We both like double shot flat whites and very keen to have a good microfoam in the milk (who doesnt?).
    Unfortunately the 300 ml jug doesnt quite provide enough volume to handle both cups.
    I am taking advice from above and going to move to a 400ml jug (or maybe a 350ml.
    The Cafelat Stainless Steel Milk Jug (400ml) looks interesting.
    The Espro Toroid Stainless Steel Milk Jug comes in a 350 m sizel.
    These are more expensive than what i have used and probably work better.
    Does anybody have experience with these jugs?
    Will the single hole Rancilio Silvia will do the job with either of these jugs?


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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    I got a 400ml Cafelat from Di Bartoli.
    Expensive? Yep.
    Worth it? Yep.

    Feels really nice and solid to work with, and is more than capable of doing enough for a picolo with my VBM Domobar Jr.

    http://www.dibartoli.com.au/product_details.asp?pid=67


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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    The one which came with my machine (EM6910) was a 600ml one, and is quite sturdily built and has a nice comfortable weight to it.
    However, I noticed that the steam pressure from the machine, wasnt really sufficient to properly achieve a great whirlpool with the 600ml jug,
    so I went out and purchased a 300ml Avanti jug with a sharp spout for latte art.
    Its been working great ever since,

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Just had a thought .....I have never in my 10 years of professional coffee making used a small machine meant for domestic home use!

    I have been spoilt using large powerful commercial machines that allow the making of great microfoam seem pretty easy to me(after training and plenty of practice of course ).......wouldnt mind having a go of someones home machine in adelaide( that was a hint).

    Was thinking about this because If I used a 300ml jug it would reach 60 pretty damn quick on any of the big pro machines.

    Therefore I take my hat of to all the home baristas that have been making all these great looking coffees I have seen on this site with the domestic machines.....some of them must be really great little machines, and I havent really checked them out because after drinking 5 or 6 at work I dont really need any more when I get home.....you know the story...." If its there".....

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Quote Originally Posted by 7059444253360 link=1285216055/10#10 date=1301487604
    Was thinking about this because If I used a 300ml jug it would reach 60 pretty damn quick on any of the big pro machines.
    True but not impossible to control if you are aware of the power.

    Ive used commercials but mostly my home machine.
    I have though used a 30ml jug at home (yes I said 30ml).

    Awareness and control will get you there.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Quote Originally Posted by 764A574C464750454D46220 link=1285216055/11#11 date=1301495631
    I have though used a 30ml jug at home (yes I said 30ml).
    At 30ml, is that still considered a jug? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 467A677C767760757D76120 link=1285216055/11#11 date=1301495631
    I have though used a 30ml jug at home (yes I said 30ml).

    curious ?....what did you use the 30ml jug for....a top up? or just a bit of milk for a short mach or something??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1824392228293E2B23284C0 link=1285216055/11#11 date=1301495631
    True but not impossible to control if you are aware of the power.

    theres only one power when it comes to producing good milk......pedal to the metal* *8-)*

    I can see your point about the control ....but i rarely have to use any on the big machines Ive always got a tiny bit of warm milk left over if someone wants some on the side for there long black or mach etc. ..... I only use 600ml and 1 L jugs at work.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    "I have a 300 and 500 ml jug. They are pretty basic and relatively cheap about $15 each I think. The pouring lip seems OK .
    I use a Gaggia Classic fitted with a Rancilio Silvia steam wand.
    I find I get more consistent results with the smaller jug. I suspect it is a mixture of technique and machine limitations."


    This what I wrote at the start of this thread.
    Now the situation has changed as I have been using the larger jug mostly. Practice makes the difference.
    Success for a good microfoam is about 70% which is not really good enough. I think I will go for a more expensive jug to hopefully improve success rate.
    The steam needs to be controlled at* the start particularly, on my equipment. Full on steam usually leads to a poor result as does too low which blows air bubbles. I appreciate the comments and advice.*

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F766B6D7C190 link=1285216055/13#13 date=1301573474
    curious ?....what did you use the 30ml jug for....a top up? or just a bit of milk for a short mach or something??
    Mach; I like to let them pour their own amount of milk.

    Quote Originally Posted by 78514C4A5B3E0 link=1285216055/14#14 date=1301574074
    pedal to the metal
    I did say "aware" not "limit".* ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C575D565F4C5A614D3E0 link=1285216055/15#15 date=1303603406
    I think I will go for a more expensive jug to hopefully improve success rate.
    IMHO thats a waste of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C575D565F4C5A614D3E0 link=1285216055/15#15 date=1303603406
    The steam needs to be controlled at* the start particularly, on my equipment. Full on steam usually leads to a poor result as does too low which blows air bubbles.
    Limiting the number of variables is the key.
    Changing the amount of steam will never be exactly the same every time.
    Dont try to reinvent the wheel.
    Learn to steam using full power.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    I like my 400mL for single coffees and I have what I believe is a 600mL for two coffees. Both have nice spouts to pour art from :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4D5E4D5A5119445D5E5B5D280 link=1285216055/17#17 date=1303644052
    I like my 400mL for single coffees and I have what I believe is a 600mL for two coffees. Both have nice spouts to pour art from :)

    Hi Gary, would you mind telling me where you purchased your 400mL jug from?
    Ive been searching for one for a while, but I havent found a great one yet,

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2B2038322E2F2D242E36410 link=1285216055/18#18 date=1303650157
    where you purchased your 400mL jug from?
    I bought mine from Di Bella for $10 :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 615D405B515047525A51350 link=1285216055/11#11 date=1301495631
    I have though used a 30ml jug at home (yes I said 30ml).
    Thats not a jug - thats a desertspoon :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3B3028223E3F3D343E26510 link=1285216055/18#18 date=1303650157
    Hi Gary, would you mind telling me where you purchased your 400mL jug from?

    I purchased mine from a non site sponsor, over here in W.A. but if youre looking for a good one then I can tell you the brand of mine is "Trenton" and I find it to be quite good :) Maybe a site sponsor will sell the same brand. Incasa I believe are also really good jugs for latte art.

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    Thanks Gary and Tashie for the responses,

    Ive searched for the Trenton one online, and Im finding it quite difficult to locate.
    Would you happen to know of any store which stocks it? I always prefer to walk in and buy as opposed to buying online.

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    Hi Languid,

    WIthout going too crazy on price, I find that Rattleware are really good and with a nice spout/lip. Theyre heavier gauge than the usual cheapies. We stock 400/600ml http://shop.talkcoffee.com.au/collections/types?q=Milk+jug but I sure that there are plenty of other sponsor stockists.

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    Didnt have a dessert spoon handy for scale but measured it and its only 25ml.

    I took a picture of my 600ml, 400ml and 25ml jugs but for some reason this thread is not giving me an attachment option.

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    I have the Avanti 250ml jug, its great for one cup milk, they stock them in Myers and David Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 39222B3A2F3922232C3E2F384A0 link=1285216055/25#25 date=1303950663
    I have the Avanti 250ml jug, its great for one cup milk, they stock them in Myers and David Jones.
    I have been reading this thread and was wondering how you can get two cups of coffee from a 300 or 400 ml jug.
    First you would not normally steam to the top so I would expect you would only have about 230 ml of textured milk which would be 115 ml per cup. With 25 ml of coffee you get 140 ml drink and with a double shot it would be rather strong. Perhaps I dont understand what a flat white is.
    We sometimes use 170 ml cups and I find them a little small, I see folks recommending cups to 300 ml and was thinking of getting something larger.

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    Well I actually do steam to the top :) We like froth with cocoa sprinkled on top and Ive figured out how to get froth and keep it for quite some time (Im yet to become sophisticated and try latte art).

    I pull a 60ml shot, then put I think around 100ml (Ill measure it tomorrow and change this if its different) of milk in the 250ml jug and steam away, I get it all nice and silky as well as having lots of froth.

    I dont think its strong at all but maybe Im just weird ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 706B627366706B6A65776671030 link=1285216055/27#27 date=1307279064
    Well I actually do steam to the top :)* We like froth with cocoa sprinkled on top and Ive figured out how to get froth and keep it for quite some time (Im yet to become sophisticated and try latte art).

    I pull a 60ml shot, then put I think around 100ml (Ill measure it tomorrow and change this if its different) of milk in the 250ml jug and steam away, I get it all nice and silky as well as having lots of froth.

    I dont think its strong at all but maybe Im just weird* ;D
    Thanks for the response, I was thinking that with a 60 ml shot you would get to 170 ml. Still we do a single shot into a 170 ml cup using a 500 ml jug half full. We find it strong enough for us but keep thinking that it runs out too quickly, and would like a bigger cup, which would need a bigger jug, perhaps 600 ml. We try to limit our kJ intake so dont want to overdo it.

    I was just looking at one of the art training videos practising with soapy water - very good. They were recommending 10 - 14 oz cups which would be 300 ml (very large) and a 600 ml jug.
    Hard to see how you could pour two cups of that size from a 600 ml jug, even 2 ten oz cups.

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    One thing you have to remember is that there is no such thing as right. We all have different tastes and we need to do what suits us and not everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E656C7D687E65646B79687F0D0 link=1285216055/29#29 date=1307412592
    One thing you have to remember is that there is no such thing as right.* We all have different tastes and we need to do what suits us and not everyone else.
    Now have a 600 ml jug and 200 ml cups. Takes a little getting used to the differences and working out what suits us. The 200 ml cup is a much better fit for us (love them) and the jug works well. The jug now seems a little bigger than we need; although, the 500 ml never seemed big enough. May go back and try the smaller jug again as my texturing technique is also changing.

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    Thunderdog wrote on April 24
    "Limiting the number of variables is the key.
    Changing the amount of steam will never be exactly the same every time.
    Dont try to reinvent the wheel.
    Learn to steam using full power."
    You are absolutely right.
    I have improved the preparation of the Gaggia to get the steam started at* strong volume.*
    It works well. I am getting what I want consistently on the small jug.* Results with the larger jug are not as consistent. I think that may have something* to do with the capability of the equipment as well as my competence.
    Thanks very much!* :)

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    Re: Small Milk Jugs

    To ask a completely newbie question, where are the volumes measured to? The top of the jug, or the bottom of the spout?

    Im looking for a smaller jug to improve my latte art when steaming milk for a single cup (which holds ~180mL of steamed milk + double ristretto). Been eying off the motta and trenton 300mL jugs, but trying to work out if thats the right size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4C734B60626A010 link=1285216055/32#32 date=1321165332
    The top of the jug, or the bottom of the spout?
    To the top of the jug.
    I think the trenton 300ml ones should work great.

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    Cheers :)

    Any reason for the preference of the Trenton over the Motta?

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    You will find 300ml is n fact not a very good size at all. For a single cup, 400ml is the best option. It allows you to get the right amount of increase in volume, without having the milk overflow.

    Fill the jug to just on where the spout starts and you will have the best results.

    Ive used a number of different jugs and currently have a few Trenton jugs, which do the job just fine.

    Some prefer a jug with a pointier spout. But IMHO the biggest part in creating latte art is the technique of getting the texture of the milk just right. Once you master this, it makes very little difference how round or how pointy the spout on the jug is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 667F6B465C4C5A5C5C2F0 link=1285216055/35#35 date=1321185114
    You will find 300ml is n fact not a very good size at all. For a single cup, 400ml is the best option.
    I disagree, with the cup size being 180ml with a double ristretto base (30ml - 40ml), it only requires 140ml volume of textured milk. (including the air incorporated)
    Filling to just under the spout in a 300ml jug works out very well.

    With a 400ml jug, I find myself having to use nearly 200ml of milk which results in more wastage.

    I have no experience with mottas, but I do have a couple of trentons, which I use daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6368707A6667656C667E090 link=1285216055/36#36 date=1321185715
    Quote Originally Posted by 667F6B465C4C5A5C5C2F0 link=1285216055/35#35 date=1321185114
    You will find 300ml is n fact not a very good size at all. For a single cup, 400ml is the best option.
    I disagree, with the cup size being 180ml with a double ristretto base (30ml - 40ml), it only requires 140ml volume of textured milk. (including the air incorporated)

    MrJack mentioned 180ml of milk plus 30-40ml for a double ristretto, not 180ml all up.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Strangely enough, Ive remeasured and found they are actually 280mL total capacity.

    Dont ask me how I messed that up!

    That said, Im looking at upgrading to some ACF cups, and might pick a smaller volume.




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