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    Imported 220 volt 50 Hz La Pavoni?

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    Hi All,

    I've been looking around at/for used La Pavoni lever machines, and I just wanted to verify something.

    I've seen a few 220 volt 50 Hz machines for sale being shipped from Italy.

    Am I right in understanding that these will work fine on our 240 volt 50 Hz power with just an adaptor to make the plugs match?

    Are there any other issues I should be aware of before looking down this path?

    Sorry if this is something that's been asked or discussed. I did some searching and couldn't find anything.

    Cheers,

    Chris

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    NO ADAPTORS PLEASE. If you buy it...have someone with suitable qualifications change over both the flex and the plug to correct type for use here, especially as I would expect the flex to be geriatric. In fact the whole of the wiring (such as it is) may have to be addressed, subject to inspection.

    For the rest of it, hard to know as it depends on the individual model and how old it is in terms of whether there is anything electrical under the bonnet besides the element. The element would be ok (subject to whether it is serviceable or faulty straight up) and will simply run hotter pulling more amps/watts than it would on 220, and it is hard to know how long it would last (how long is a piece of string), but anything else electrical in there may not fare too well due to our higher voltage and resulting higher amps and would need to be changed out....ie if there were any solenoid valves or auto level boxes I dont expect they would last very long here before blowing... Also I wonder what kind of boiler pressure regulating device there is. If its an old mercury switch there isnt anything wrong with that EXCEPT that its wiring could be well and truly cooked.....All subject to inspection.

    Buyer beware doing this sort of thing. I would start by budgeting (in my costings to see if its a worthwhile project for me) to change out everything electrical and replace with proper spec current stuff. That is of course in addition to costing up a mechanical and aesthetic restoration. All these costs, added to the invoice as well as total actual cost of import, is the real cost of buying the machine.

    Sometimes, it isnt worth it as I am sure you will find your Italian broker is not working for nothing and does not go under the pseudonym of "mr nice guy"/.....he is making a living.

    You might also consider, that not everything in coffee machines that is old, is "desireable" or has any value. Sometimes, they are just "old", and old doesnt mean vintage or collectable, it just means old.

    Eyes wide open please.

    Hope that helps.
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    having got a few europiccoli from ebay.it, it really is a gamble. All these style of lever machines are electrically very simple, they either have a single filament element of about 800 watts controlled by pressurestat or a twin filament 600 / 200 watt job controlled via a simple switch. The problem is that many of these machines have been run dry at some point in their life (no auto-fill protection - this is primitive stuff) and the element itself, insulation and associated wiring is either cactus or in need of attention in order to prevent earth leakage which will trip our Australian safety switches. I have seen some truly shocking (geddit) things under the base of older lever machines from italy, even ones in so-called 'restored' condition. I'm not saying don't do it, but budget funds and time towards a full overhaul before use.

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    Thanks very much for the responses, and sorry for the slow reply. You've convinced me that I'll be better served to source one out locally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChodeMaster View Post
    Thanks very much for the responses, and sorry for the slow reply. You've convinced me that I'll be better served to source one out locally!
    Be aware its likely to be an imported machine also !

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Well......if its still available, John Doyle (author of "Barista Techniques") has some of his collected machines for sale on gum tree, and one of them is/was a 2 group Bo_Ema lever machine from the early sixties (I dont know if its still there but there is only one way to find out).

    The point I am making, is that anyone wanting to bring an old coffee machine from o/s should have their eyes wide open as to what will really be the *landed cost* of the excercise before any spanners are ever turned here. Buying local means
    a) you can view what you are buying and stick it in your boot (ie its actually tangible), and
    b) the in boot price is the in boot price end of story......ie there are no surprises.

    Some time ago I jumped in the ute with a mate on a Friday arvo after work, and on Sat morning we were in adelaide checking and picking up something I wanted. Sunday lunchtime we were back in canberra area with prize in back of ute. That really makes a project worthwhile as its all part of the experience and adventure. Having a piece of crap arrive site unseen from o/s is to my mind, not much of an advernture to start with, espec when there are machines to choose from here that are as I said....tangible, provided that a suitable (to both parties) deal can be struck.

    Just my 3 cents worth.



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