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    Fully Automatics

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    Hi everyone,
    I know this may upset some of you fellow coffee lovers but Im considering buying a fully automatic machine. I drink espressos & lattes & I understand that the rancilio machines are very respected but Im going to go with ease of use & get an auto (simply because it saves time & mess, & Ill admit barrista skill). I have seen the Gaggia Syncrony Logic, & Gaggia Syncrony Compact on eBay and have been watching the sales of these two machines which are approx. $450 for the Compact & $500 for the Logic. To me these prices seem quite reasonable considering they do the whole job (grind etc). I have also read various reviews on coffeegeeks.com, some good, some bad. Has anyone here at coffeesnobs used either of these machines or had much experience using fully auto machines? And does anyone know if you need to have two boilers to make a good quick latte (immediately after pouring the shot) or is the waiting time for the steam pressure generally ok with single boiler machines (similar to Gaggias mentioned here).
    Thanks for any help.
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    Hi Sam,

    afraid the prices you quoted seem terribly low....and therefore "far too reasonable" if you know what I mean...are you talking Oz dollars or US dollars...either way I tend to be suspicious of anything that sounds far too good to be true.

    Over many years experience I have found that the more expensive machines put out under the manufacturers own name to be the best for a host of reasons. Positively the best autos are built by JURA and by best I am talking ease of, "feel" and quality of use, expected service life with little problem, ease and availability of service and parts, and not necessary quality of coffee where with autos, they all generally seem to put out an equivalent sort of brew ( except that with some models it is much easier than with others to change strength / quality of brew).

    Unfortunately, the cost of the most basic Jura is far in excess of those quoted by you for the gaggia machines on ebay, starting at $1895.00 and "only" one thermoblock, but remember.....you invariably get what you pay for.

    A very good budget auto is the Spidem Trevi "Digital" / "Exclusive". It is a 2 thermoblock machine so it is easier / quicker to go from coffee making to production of steam, and back without necessity to purge steam out of the system first. As far as I know this would be the cheapest good quality 2 thermoblock machine in the market at $1390.00 for the Exclusive and $1490.00 for the Digital, and the nearest other brand 2 "boiler" would be up around the 2 thou mark. Also....it is far more reliable in long term use than many other machines around the same price.....!!!!!

    Please believe me when I tell you, that whilst the coffee produced is usually of a certain equivalent standard for an automatic machine, the cheaper single thermoblock/boiler auto espresso machines are very light, flimsy, plastickie, easily damaged, hard to work around, cramped, cheap coffee machines.

    Auto espresso machines certainly have their place and are extremely convenient to use particularly in the office environment however if you are not so constrained by budget, you will get much better by trying to get into more upmarket models.

    Apologies if this isnt precicely what was asked.

    Regardez,
    FC.

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    You should check out this dude on ebay for autos - not sure, but there seem a few, and on ebay at least youve got a chance to get a good deal.

    http://stores.ebay.com.au/Extrastock-Value-Quality-Products

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    IMHO One of the biggest drawbacks to a superauto is dialing it in when changing beans. I have a Cimbali M-52 I picked up for a song off of ebay and put back in working order and far and away the biggest hassle with it is going through the dialing in process when changing beans. As I tend to drink a lot of SOs and blends made at the time of grinding this is a *major* PITA and a huge waste of beans. As a result the superauto sits idle while I use my trusty Mazzer grinder and semi-auto Cimbali to make my nectar of the gods.

    I have found that it consistantly takes about 250g of beans to dial in the super-auto to produce a good pull (up too 500g or more to get a great result) when I switch beans. Thats a lot of waste. If this dialing in is not done you will be getting a pretty poor cup of expresso.

    The only time I pull out the super-auto is for large gatherings. Otherwise for small groups and for daily use I stick to my semi-auto.

    If you plan on using only one bean/blend or only changing beans rarely then the super-auto can be OK. But if you plan on sampling a variety of beans/blends and/or want the best espresso possible, rather than just acceptable espresso, then you might want to rethink your choice of a super-auto.

    Java "Hhhmmm...I love variety" phile

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    Re: Fully Automatics

    thanks to F.C, Andy & Java for your words of wisdom, I hear what youve all said. Basically I have found a particular coffee bean I am really impressed with from the markets (Adelaide) a kenya 3/4 blend from the perfect cup. this seems to be the best coffee I have tasted in a variety of machines. So I really dont think I will be switching between blends too often although I may experiment with roasting my own down the track, anyhow I think I would be quite happy with a decent amount of the same coffee beans sitting in an auto machine. Im after convenience & less time & mess in the kitchen. I own 2 lower end semi auto machines which I was never really happy with. Yes Andy I have seen the machines on eBay from extrastocks store and I think I will wait & see if I can get a bargain Gaggia auto from there. theyre constantly for sale Ive been watching their sales very closely. plus I like the convenience of offering 4 or more decent lattes or flat whites to friends without resorting to pulling out the plunger to make multiple hot coffees.
    I think Ill sit patiently & see what comes up on eBay, im not interested in paying retail prices in a shop, they are way too overpriced in Adelaide.
    thanks again.
    Sam

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    Re: Fully Automatics

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    re ebay gaggias

    these do come and go, for instance a few months ago you could get evolutions, carezzas babys, factories and mdf grinders but none of these models are listed anymore, they seem to have finished.

    Could be runout stock from what I can gather, I know I waited for price to drop back on a cheap evo and missed the boat.

    Does anyone know what the grinder is in the superautos? Says there are only 18 settings, mdf have 38 or so, surely its not an mm?



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