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    So fed up with sunbeam machine

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    Hi all,

    Its probably not a good time to post when i am so frustrated but oh well..

    I have a cheap $150 sunbeam machine with new unpressuried basket, and i grind with sunbeam $200 (sorry cant remember name) grinder. Lately i have noticed that one in three times the water cant drip through and literally explodes and leaks alll over the top..

    I have tried cleaning group head etc to no success..

    If i buy rancilio, would this solve this problem once and for all? I have wasted so much bean coz of this leaking problem..

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    Sounds like you are either grinding too fine or the basket is blocked. I had a cheap machine for a longtime and upgraded to a better machine (not the best but better) and I found that the more progessional home machines have more pressure and can handle finer grinds. When I had my cheaper machine I found that it was common for the basket to get blocked and I had to replace the basket a couple of times.

    If you upgrade you won't look back.

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    Hi Young,

    How old are the beans you are using and have you tried adjusting the grind? Beans become temperamental as they age over the weeks which means adjustment to the grind is normally necessary. You can go up to a rancillio and will this fix the problem? i don't know maybe however you should look at how grind, tamp and how you prepare your coffee.

    Its very easy to blame the machine (like i have in the past) instead of your technique. With that in mind a rancillio Silva (which i assume you are talking about) would be a step up. However your grinder depending on what it is may also play a part in your current problems.... Looking at a new grinder is as important if not more than the machine itself... A lot to think about and a lot to ponder.

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    If the water spurts out around the top of the portafilter, sounds like the group head seal is worn out. These are cheap and easy to replace. On ebay there are plenty of sellers with new group head seals, you'd be looking at about $5-10 for the seal and 5 minutes to replace it.
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    Thank you so much for all replies,.. Just one more..

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/fafsfqbxqj...2014.53.16.jpg

    I have taken down what i think is the group seal as you can see above, they seem to be fine? Will i still need to replace the rubber part?

    Just having one last thought about saving this poor little machine before i throw it out..

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    um..
    just wasted another 4 doubleshot basket full of grinds going from grinder setting 8 to 9 to 10 to 11 to 12.
    12 gave me about 10mls of coffee mixed with 10mls water leakage, which i am now committed to drinking as i can't keep going today!
    It's weird coz some days same grind will give me fine result (flowing honey) but other days don't.
    It must be like the above poster explaining about humidity, ageing of the bean etc..
    I have started bidding on ebay for coffee-a-roma rancilio silvia from melbourne..

    If anyone can comment on the condition of my group seal will be appreciated though and it will save my machine from going to salvos..

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    394]https://www.dropbox.com/s/fafsfqbxqj...2014.53.16.jpg

    I have taken down what i think is the group seal as you can see above, they seem to be fine? Will i still need to replace the rubber part?

    Just having one last thought about saving this poor little machine before i throw it out..[/QUOTE]

    That rubber part is the group head seal yes that would be replaced. It doesnt look too bad though. it may not be as rigid as it should be or could have developed weak spots which the high pressure of extraction would find.

    For like $5-10 you might as well give it a try. If it doesnt fix the problem, the group head collar may have worn and cant lock the portafilter in as tight as it should be. This happened to a cheap breville im fixing currently. A new collar is about $20, depending on the model.

    Also, just to check, the new basket you're using is a direct replacement for your machine isnt it? If it's designed for another brand machine it may not seal properly on your group head. Chances are that isnt the case, but we'd better check.

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    thanks, will give it a try if this bidding doesn't end well.
    i just looked at the collar and my collar is actually made of plastic not metal - would this have something to do with the problem?
    I can't feel obvious cracks or defect running my finger around inside of it..

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    Yes, having metal on metal (I.e. portafilter on collar) doesnt create a good seal as the metal doesnt flax and prwss against each other. Even in a metal collar there'll be a hard plastic or compound rim that assists in keeping peessure onto the portafilter.

    As plastic does when it rubs on metal, it'll wear out. You wont really feel the problem, it doesnt even need to be much wear, just enough to provide a weak spot for the pressure to exploit.
    There should be a few screws holding the collar on, can just remove it and check for any wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngchul76 View Post
    If i buy rancilio, would this solve this problem once and for all? I have wasted so much bean coz of this leaking problem..
    There are some basics that will apply regardless of whether you use a Sunbeam or a Rancilio. Getting the grind right, the tamp right and the filling of the filter basket right will apply no matter the machine. If you grind too fine or tamp too hard on a fine grind you can choke the machine and the excess of pressure can then blow past the group seal if it can't flow through the grinds and out the bottom of the basket. This is more likely on a machine without an OPV like your Sunbeam. Check the link below for some pictures of how your grinds should look at the end of the article - "Grind Basics".

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    Check your tamp pressure on a set of bathroom scales and aim for around 15kg of pressure consistently.

    Fill you basket to a point so that when you have tamped you are just short of getting an imprint of the shower screen.
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    ah... i always admire you guys who have this genuine tendency to want to help people - not getting anything out of it but genuine desire to help another coffee addict

    ok, i read that grind pinch test article and will try.

    As for the collar - i think trying to remove the whole machine apart will be too much for me (i'm guessing you have to, as there is no visible screw from outside like for the group seal metal part) so I might give it a pass.. I looked around on ebay for replacement and just wanted to confirm - my current one is a very malleable rubber, but one on ebay seems like a plastic??

    eBay link removed per the http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-ne...icy-rules.html
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    btw, i found a pm message from someone re grinders coffee shop selling silvia for 500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    how do they slash off another 100 from the lowest price that i ever knew????(coffee-a-roma)

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    sorry, just before i go to sleep, i just remembered..

    i bought this 1kg bag of supermarket brand (harris colombian premium reserve) coz it was on sale for 25% off for $17.

    IT IS ONE OF THE BEST BEANS I HAVE TRIED ON MY CHEAP MACHINE TO THIS DATE INCLUDING CAMPOS, COFFEE ALCHEMY ETC ETC...

    Maybe that says it all about my taste

    I dare you try it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngchul76 View Post
    sorry, just before i go to sleep, i just remembered..

    i bought this 1kg bag of supermarket brand (harris colombian premium reserve) coz it was on sale for 25% off for $17.

    IT IS ONE OF THE BEST BEANS I HAVE TRIED ON MY CHEAP MACHINE TO THIS DATE INCLUDING CAMPOS, COFFEE ALCHEMY ETC ETC...

    Maybe that says it all about my taste

    I dare you try it!
    That's a dare I won't take you up on, it may not tell us much about your taste but speaks volumes about your lack of experience.

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    Haha..yes, i am a fan of CS but also of ozbargain so u can tell i am a bit of tightass.. 11 years of tasting various cafe culture but still not ready to spend much on home brew..

    But yelta! I really dare you! Just try it once!

    Btw, anyone care to comment on my question 11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngchul76 View Post
    i bought this 1kg bag of supermarket brand
    I'd sooner eat soap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngchul76 View Post
    my current one is a very malleable rubber, but one on ebay seems like a plastic??
    Probably a 3rd party replacement part - non-genuine. Can't comment on how well they work.

    Which machine do you have?

    Maybe contact this company as it looks more like the original seal -

    eBay link removed per the http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-ne...icy-rules.html

    Depending on which machine you have I may have a spare seal left over from when my missus was using an EM3800 a while back. Another CSer supplied to me free of charge so I can do the same.

    Just try to adjust the grind, tamp, basket fill before worrying about the seal. As you do get "2 out of 3" to flow properly the issue is more than likely consistency of preparation.
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    What is your machine and grinder model? It would help to know so the advice can be more specific.

    I got a new seal from eBay and it was softer than I was expecting, not a hard plastic at all. I was expecting hard plastic (I hadn't stripped mine out yet as I wanted to have the spare on hand just in case) due to the pressures involved.

    Mine machine is an EM6910 and I was getting water out the group head - it tended to come out first around the larger top circle then would leak out in the middle and into my cup. When I put the new seal in and tried a cup it did exactly the same thing. I swapped back and started re-working my technique.

    The grind has to be right. With my repaired (by me) EM0480 grinder the steps (1 - 24) seem to have significant effect on the grind - on one bean I use, going from 7 to 5 goes from pretty damn good pour to wanting to spurt out the top and trying to unwind the PF.

    The tamp has to be right - I had some experiences with commercial machines where I was forbidden to touch the grind, so I learned back then to pour a test shot and adjust my tamp weight accordingly so I could get a decent shot. This machine seems even more sensitive to pressure of the tamp. I suggest take the advice about bathroom scales seriously - learn to judge your pressure properly - use the tamper on the scales and try doing it eyes closed and then see how close you can get to the 15kg mentioned.

    The final step to getting my leaks under control was to reduce the amount of coffee in the PF. I was using pretty much the same measure as I did with the professional gear - about 2mm - 3mm below the rim of the filter. In my Sunbeam I need less coffee - about 4mm seems to run nicely.

    SO my process is, grind into the PF, shake the mound level, grind a bit more, shake again and tamp. It's rare now I get any water coming out the top - usually when I swap to new beans and have to learn the right grind for them.

    I get a reasonable coffee from Vittoria beans - I buy fresh roasted from the local roasters for me and friends who actually have a coffee palate, but I use the Vittoria for those normally happy to drink Nescafe - I don't see why I should pay premiumj price for people who care so little about their coffee and the Vittoria beans always have them going 'WOW!' anyway, so I'm not doing them harm...

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    ok, reporting back after a few things.

    1) machine name is em3500. grinder is em0480.

    2) was using grind setting of 8 yesterday when the explosion occurred. Strange thing is, up to that explosion it was extracting fine with that grind setting (flowing honey, literally) and then tse tse tse tschiiiiiiing the water started leaking from one spot then the rest of the PF.

    3) this morning i took the advice and eased off on the grind to like 10, 11, 12, and it's still leaking. It is definitely NOT a tamp or coffee amount, I had to tell my dad that everything was ok when he saw me grabbing the bathroom scale and tamping on the scale with my eyes closed. Yes, you can so imagine what your parents would think of you if they saw the same thing. I think I have been tamping with ~8kg so far, but anyway I tried to equalize at ~12kg with no success. I filled coffee to 3-4mm from the brim.

    couple of questions.

    1) Are you supposed to twist the PF all the way to the right until it stops when you lock it in? I'm wondering if I may have caused a small injury to the group seal by twisting it all the way until it literally can't go anymore.

    2) Well, I think following everyone's advice re grind setting, I'm sure I can stop it leaking if I go up to like 15, which is very coarse. The problem is, I get a watery pour and unless I set it to below 10, I can't get that golden honey (ah.. that was like heaven yesterday)

    Would it help if I took a video of the whole process of grinding extracting and the leaky part? Is there anyway to post a video here?

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    I think you have to post it to youtube then link that here. You might want to PM mattbr who had a EM3500 - see his thread at http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...am-em3500.html

    It's normal to turn the PF all the way to the right - unless your machine is radically different the contact is metal-to-metal so I doubt hand-tight could damage it.

    You might want to check the seal and make sure it wasn't damaged in your 'explosion' but other than that I would suggest taking the bits off, clean them all (don't use a metal scourer) - mine has a second screen sitting in the rubber seal - not sure if yours does.

    While it is apart, clean the parts that come in contact with the handle and up in the channels beside the group head etc. I found an old toothbrush was handy but you might have one of the cleaning brushes that come with some machines.

    Make sure you get things round the right way when putting them back. Ensure everything is sitting snug and do it up tight - the seal has to hold a lot of pressure.

    Try a blind shot - mine has a 'puck' for cleaning that sits in the PF - run a shot into it for about 10 secs then turn off the water. Be careful when removing the PF - if the pressure didn't release the hot water in there will be at pressure. If the seal promptly starts leaking as soon as the shot starts, you've got a leak - it should build up pressure without 'blowing' the seal unless you run it too long.

    There's a manual for your machine at Instruction Booklet : EM3500 and EM3500S | ManualsOnline.com in case you don't have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngchul76 View Post
    1) Are you supposed to twist the PF all the way to the right until it stops when you lock it in? I'm wondering if I may have caused a small injury to the group seal by twisting it all the way until it literally can't go anymore.
    Normally you lock the PF in tightly but without excess force and the handle would be pointing straight out towards you. If the handle is pointing to the right it sounds like either the seal or the group head is damaged. Is the portion of the group head where the PF locks into plastic or metal?

    PS Just checked my missus old EM3800 and the group collar/lugs are plastic. As Leo says below, excess force may have damaged the collar/lugs or caused wear to the point of not being able to tighten the PF enough. If it is just a bit of excess wear, you may be able to use a spacer behind the group seal similar but smaller than the EM6910 spacer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngchul76 View Post

    Q1) Are you supposed to twist the PF all the way to the right until it stops when you lock it in? I'm wondering if I may have caused a small injury to the group seal by twisting it all the way until it literally can't go anymore.

    Q2) Would it help if I took a video of the whole process of grinding extracting and the leaky part? Is there anyway to post a video here?
    A1. I don't want to be the bringer of bad news, so I hope I'm wrong about this. But if you have been cranking the PF handle too hard too often, you may have damaged not just the seal, but the brew-head collar insert too. Most ( maybe all ?? ) Sunbeams have a plastic cam inside the collar which the PF lugs ride on to pull it up against the seal. Some of them have an all-plastic collar.
    If you put too much pressure on it by cranking too hard, or by choking the the machine too often, it will wear, and/or deform, so that even with a new seal, you will get leakage between the basket and the seal due to uneven or insufficient pressure.

    A2. I don't think a video would help much in this case. All it will show is that you have a leak between the basket and the seal when you grind fine enough to get a good pour.

    There is a discussion & pic of this on P77 of the Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread.
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    I'm going to have to pull mine apart again - I don't recall any plastic in there. From memory the 'slide' up which the PF rides to lock in is all metal. I've got the Service Manual on my other laptop (picking it up today from the warranty fix) so I'll double check. Maybe my water issues are because that plastic is NOT in there...

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    ok, my PF actually turns quite a lot to the right of the centre.
    I really, really can't feel any metal looking inside the collar, I'm pretty sure it's plastic.

    I think..
    I think...

    I think it may be time for me to change..

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    Maybe you need a new brew head lock. If you've been pushing too far to the right then it's quite possibly worn.
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    that seal you posted from ebay is for a EM6900-6910. the one you'd be after is from the same seller though, search "sunbeam group head seal" and you should get 5 results. all are blue except one that's the same colour as yours, that's the one you want.
    the machine wont have a metal collar though, it's too cheap. it's be a hard plastic like the one in whowe's post. however trying to find a new one will be a pain, spare parts support for that machine is slim.

    however, knowing what model the machine is now, yeah it might not be worth it after all. i thought it was an ok one, but the EM3500 is pretty low. with the new information provided in the thread, it is looking a bit like a lost cause. don't ditch the machine though, keep trying stuff like the others have suggested. you may want to consider for your next machine a Sunbeam EM6910 or similar, that'd be a pretty solid step up from your current machine and not as hefty a price tag as a Silvia.

    there's plenty of helpful people on the forum and i regularly see 6910's up for sale. you could look for a cheaper boiler machine too, like a Saeco Via Venezia or something. they're pretty good and about half the price of a Silvia.

    Edit: my bad, the collar's are available, common through the whole cheaper Sunbeam range evidently.
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    The brew head lock images were taken from a seller from That Auction Site.

    Replacing this and the seal should solve your issues unless the lugs on the portafilter are worn from previous overtightening. That shouldn't be likely as metal is a tad harder than plastic.

    If you decide to cut your losses, there are many used 6910's (dual thermoblock) and usually paired with the EM0480 grinder for sale. I picked up this pair on Gumtree last Xmas in Adelaide for $230. This units had barely been used with decent seals. It was in better condition than my machine here in Tassie. Once cleaned, the machines got a great workout over Xmas/New Year.

    Once you use a 6910, it's very hard to go back to one of the lower Breville's or Sunbeam's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noidle22 View Post
    you may want to consider for your next machine a Sunbeam EM6910 or similar, that'd be a pretty solid step up from your current machine and not as hefty a price tag as a Silvia.
    Are 6910s really cheaper than silvias? I see prices of $500-$750 for both.

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    There are a lot of used 6910's out there and if find a well cared for unit, you should be able to pick one up for $200 to $300. Used Silvia's aren't as common and also very popular used. Not sure what these go for though but CS'ers who have this machine may sell theirs when upgrading to something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildy View Post
    Are 6910s really cheaper than Silvias? I see prices of $500-$750 for both.
    Not sure about prices, what I do know is that the Silvia will still be making excellent coffee and retain much of it's value when the Sunbeam has has long since hit the recycle bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildy View Post
    Are 6910s really cheaper than silvias? I see prices of $500-$750 for both.
    Brand new probably not but there's quite a few on gumtree and ebay that I see frequently for $150-300. They do seem to also be in good condition at that price.
    I was looking at buying one actually but decided against it as I have a boiler machine now.

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    The Sunbeam and the Silva are very different machines. The Sunbeam uses twin-thermoblocks and therefore allows you to brew and steam at the same time. The Silvia is a single boiler so you have to wait to get the boiler up to heat before steaming. The Silvia uses quite a number of commercial components and as per previous comments, if maintained properly should last for a long time (mine is over 7 years old and I haven't had any problems at all). In my opinion the Silvia should be capable of producing better espresso, in particular due to better thermal stability. However, the Silvia is undoubtedly more difficult to use, being quite sensitive to grind and dose and also the having well known (but overstated) requirement for temperature surfing. That said, a friend of mine who has a Sunbeam rates the coffee he can get from it. I would say the choice should be fairly easy to make if you know what you want to get out of your coffee making. If you want easy reasonable tasting coffee (perhaps using supermarket beans), go for the Sunbeam. If you want to delve into the world of the coffee snob and are willing to take time to learn, experience frustrations along the way and work to try to achieve the best possible shot, I highly recommend the Silvia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtW View Post
    However, the Silvia is undoubtedly more difficult to use, being quite sensitive to grind and dose and also the having well known (but overstated) requirement for temperature surfing. If you want easy reasonable tasting coffee (perhaps using supermarket beans), go for the Sunbeam. If you want to delve into the world of the coffee snob and are willing to take time to learn, experience frustrations along the way and work to try to achieve the best possible shot, I highly recommend the Silvia.
    Why oh why do people keep regurgitating this rubbish about the Silvia being difficult to master, anyone with average skills and intelligence should be able producing excellent coffee on a Silvia within a few days of first using it.

    The Silvia,

    *Produces very good espresso

    *Reasonably priced

    *Easy to use

    *Well made

    *Durable

    Compared with appliances is excellent value for money.

    If you cant master a Silvia within a short time suggest you sell it (they are always in demand) and buy a super auto from HN, feed it a diet of fresh good quality beans and the coffee should be reasonable.

    As far as a Sunbeam producing "reasonable tasting coffee" using supermarket beans, it's simply not the case.
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    So fed up with sunbeam machine

    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Why oh why do people keep regurgitating this rubbish about the Silvia being difficult to master, anyone with average skills and intelligence should be able producing excellent coffee on a Silvia within a few days of first using it.
    Because there are a lot of people out there with below average intelligence, below average skills or, compared to the average coffee snob, below average care about making good coffee.

    I had my Silvia for about 3 years, it took me maybe 40-50 shots to get something that was good, but a few years after owning it I was still improving as I learnt more about it.

    I always recommend it to people who want to learn how to make real espresso, but I also tell them that there's a steep learning curve.

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    ^^^^^ What Yelta said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    As far as a Sunbeam producing "reasonable tasting coffee" using supermarket beans, it's simply not the case.
    That statement should contain a caveat that the Sunbeam (6900/6910/7000) produces excellent coffee with fresh beans and a good grinder. And producing great shots with it also involves a reasonably steep learning curve from a 'toy' pressurised basket machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobstermash View Post
    That statement should contain a caveat that the Sunbeam (6900/6910/7000) produces excellent coffee with fresh beans and a good grinder. And producing great shots with it also involves a reasonably steep learning curve from a 'toy' pressurised basket machine.
    What I said was, don't expect reasonable coffee from a Sunbeam using supermarket beans, I'll say it again,

    Don't expect reasonable coffee from a Sunbeam using supermarket beans no caveat needed.

    In fact don't expect reasonable coffee from any machine on a diet of supermarket beans.

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    I'll raise your uncaveated statement with a don't expect reasonable coffee from any machine using supermarket beans​.

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    don't expect reasonable coffee from any machine using supermarket beans​.
    Is there an echo in here? think I just said that in post # 37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Why oh why do people keep regurgitating this rubbish about the Silvia being difficult to master
    Probably because its true. As I've said, the Silvia is less forgiving of variations in dose and grind than many other machines. In particular given its price bracket it is often the machine of choice for people who are relatively new to espresso making and it does take some time to get consistently right. I would suggest that it is a mistake buying one with the attitude of "If you cant master a Silvia within a short time suggest you sell it", not only is this a very defeatist attitude but I believe it gives an incorrect impression of the learning curve and could lead to disappointment for some.

    That said, other than 'Easy to use', I agree with the positive qualities you list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtW View Post
    Probably because its true. As I've said, the Silvia is less forgiving of variations in dose and grind than many other machines. In particular given its price bracket it is often the machine of choice for people who are relatively new to espresso making and it does take some time to get consistently right. I would suggest that it is a mistake buying one with the attitude of "If you cant master a Silvia within a short time suggest you sell it", not only is this a very defeatist attitude but I believe it gives an incorrect impression of the learning curve and could lead to disappointment for some.

    That said, other than 'Easy to use', I agree with the positive qualities you list.
    Guess there are a few out there that are slow learners.

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    I think you have to post it to youtube then link that here. You might want to PM mattbr who had a EM3500 - see his thread at http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...am-em3500.html
    Well found! That thread is a blast from the past...

    Not sure if the OP is still reading, but I ended up running the 3500 unpressurised and had similar issues with blowouts and the p/f locking in further and further to the right.

    IMO the 3500 seal and group/handle interface just arenít designed for the pressure of an actual extraction, leading to blowouts and eventually collar damage as the user tries to lock in the group handle harder to compensate. If I had to try and solve this problem, Iíd be looking at adding a cardboard spacer under the group seal and possibly replacing the collar - but if the OP can afford to upgrade to a Silvia or similar itís a bit of a no-brainer for me.


    I didnít persevere for long before upgrading to an EM6910/EM0350 combo which is still delivering great coffee every day about five years later.



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