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    Please help me

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    Hi,

    I have a Breville BES820 and the Breville smart grinder BCG800 I think it is.
    I just can not get it all working. Here is what I am doing -

    Firstly I am grinding the coffee into the group handle. I am then weighing it and making it exactly 15 grams of coffee in there because this is what the bag recommends and seems to be roughly what everywhere I can find online does aswell. By the way it is a dual outlet group head with the standard filter installed e.g no the dual wall.

    I then level and tamp it to exactly 15kg using scales.

    Next I fit this to the machine and hold the button down, as soon as the coffee starts coming out into the cup I start a stopwatch and stop it after 25 seconds which is the bags minimum extraction time. Now I have tried the grinder on pretty much every setting and I either get black coffee and hardly any or too much coffee and neither taste any good. I can get it roughly the right amount of coffee which is 30-35 ml off memory but it doesn't really flow and it's disgusting I just can't work it out and I've wasted nearly a kg of coffee I just want to use the optimum settings and get good coffee out.

    Thanks Matthew

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    is it freshly coffee you are using? not supermarket brand of coffee that may have been sitting there for a few months?

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    G'Day Matthew, welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    You don't mention what beans your using I would suggest freshly rosated beans from a reputable supplier may well help to solve your problem, you won't get them from a supermarket.

    Try here CoffeeSnobs - BeanBay - Roasted Coffee

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    Thanks for the reply yes it is fresh coffee it's lavazza the newest one they have come
    out with i can only get it because my wife works at a coffee shop. The coffee there is so good which is why I got it but I've just about wasted the whole bag

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    I actually think I have just found the problem I think I have here a two cup dual wall which is what I've been using and a 1 cup dual wall while I don't completely understand what difference these make at a higher pressure I think all the guidelines I've been following are for a standard filter which the machine wasn't supplied with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattpeck View Post
    Thanks for the reply yes it is fresh coffee it's lavazza the newest one they have come
    out with i can only get it because my wife works at a coffee shop. The coffee there is so good which is why I got it but I've just about wasted the whole bag
    Lavazza coffee isn't freshly roasted Matt, its also way down the list quality wise.

    As I suggested, do yourslf a favour and get some freshly roasted quality beans.

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    Ok, what is the best coffee beans to buy, how long can I keep them, and do you think dual wall filter is what's causing my problems?

    Thanks heaps, Matthew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattpeck View Post
    Ok, what is the best coffee beans to buy, how long can I keep them, and do you think dual wall filter is what's causing my problems?

    Thanks heaps, Matthew
    I posted a link to an excellent supplier of freshly roasted beans in post #3 this thread Matt.

    There may also be a roaster in your area that may be able to help, what area do you live in?

    Cant comment re the dual wall, have had no personal experience with them.

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    Hi Matt,

    Last time I used that machine I clogged the dual wall filters by using fresh ground coffee (much finer than preground). Best results with the single wall double sized filter.

    You have to be careful to make sure the pressure doesnt go too high, the older machines have some plastic fittings which perish over time, mine exploded under the higher pressure.

    You can get passable coffee with the dual walls a lot easier than messing around, but once you get the hang of the single wall filters the coffee is sooooo much better!

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    I personally find that by week 3 I would need to grind alot finer to get a good extraction out of my roasted beans, which I either buy or roast myself...
    I used the dual walls before on the BES860, while they may produce good looking shots full using a courser grind, it tasted weak and watery compare to a proper espresso... if you had it in a milk drink, probably can still get away with it, but just not as satisfying to me...

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    15g is usually for a double so try for 60-70 ml in 30 secs? A single (30-35 ml or so) is 7g.
    Although this isn't a hard rule, it might help.

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    Thanks for everyone's help, I have ordered from Harvey Norman the standard filters they are actually an accessory for my machine and didn't come with it so when they arrive I will do some more testing and keep you posted. BTW I have been using a the double group handle with double the coffee and just put the cup under both then double what the specified ml should be to check it. Is this the correct way since my machine doesn't have a single group handle I thought it might be better to do a double shot all the time and if I only want one then put the cup under one side. I love iced coffee and I need a double for that usually anyway.



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