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    Upgrade from bezzera bz35?

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    Hi all,

    I currently have a bz35 and a super jolly grinder. I am thinking about upgrading my machine to a GS3 or something similar. Probably more of a want than a need so just wondering how much benefit am I going to get from it. Is the taste in the cup going to be noticeably better? Only making 1-2 cups every morning.

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    G'day snowy,

    I have a GS3 at home and I love it. The primary factors which influenced my purchase were design and form factor related rather than whether it was going to make a better coffee. It's my second as mine came back to the warehouse for service and ultimately crossed paths with the one which was to be a demo unit. We took the opportunity to pimp the older machine with walnut sides, powdercoat, flick steam and wand swap as well as custom group cup and collar in acetal. One day it will come back home!

    Assuming your BZ35 is temperature stable and you are on your game with great coffee, technique and a suitable grinder, the gains in the cup will be incremental and small ones when you have those ducks lined up. I can assure you that the GS3 is just as capable of making bad coffee as the Bezzera is!

    If you have the means to do it, by all means do it. You will enjoy the quick warmup, great steam and software interface.

    If you're in Melbourne and would like to play with one, we have a demo GS3 on our bench.

    Happy shopping....

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    As usual Chris hits the nail on the head. I've got a Linea Mini, marginal improvement in espresso is small, but milk steaming quality and speed is noticeable from my previous prosumer double boiler. I do love the form factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
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    Paul it seems like your bench is a showcase of amazing coffee machines. Hope the machines aren't getting scratched up on the turnstiles !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    If it doesn't last at least a year I'll eat my hat.
    We're still waiting for you to eat your last hat
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ............ I had been hoping that the last hat had been forgotten.
    Wasn't going to say anything.......
    Need a photo of your hat rack next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aido View Post
    Wasn't going to say anything.......
    Need a photo of your hat rack next?

    Hat rack? He's going to need a full-time Milliner on staff at this rate!
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    Hi all, thanks for your responses. I'm in Canberra. The GS3 fell through so still on the lookout for another one or something similar. Looking for something with a bit of style rather than just a big chrome box. Ex demo or a few years old rather than brand new to save a few bucks. dodgy x how much are you after for your ex demo controvento? Any other suggestions or if you have a machine I might be after let me know. Cheers

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    I might be able to assist there snowy...

    Drop me a PM...

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    Welll fellas , I got a deal done and proud to now own a 2014 slayer ������ it blows my mind every time I look at it !!! Now to upgrade the super jolly ( once the bank account recovers) to a compak k10 I think.
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    Hey Snowy, I hope you have some re-enforcement under the Slayer... and the bank account

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyseaton View Post
    Welll fellas , I got a deal done and proud to now own a 2014 slayer ������ it blows my mind every time I look at it !!! Now to upgrade the super jolly ( once the bank account recovers) to a compak k10 I think.
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    Sidewards pic actually makes it look slayed.

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    Very very nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
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    Paul, where did you get the print on the wall. I love it and I must own one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    A thoughtful gift. Thanks for finding it for me. I'm onto ordering it now.

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    So what grinder to buy? Is single dosing really worth the extra effort etc or is it more of just a gimmick? K8 fresh for 850 or step up the k10 for extra bucks?

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    G'day mate...

    Large conical grinders are definitely not 'gimmicks', it's more to do with the type and style of coffee you prefer to drink. If you drink mainly milk based coffee then there's no difference at all to detect in the cup. If however, you mainly drink black coffee, then the conical grinders do open up the top end of the flavour spectrum, which I particularly enjoy.

    If at all possible, try and test it out for yourself at CosmoreX Coffee or another reputable specialist somewhere close to hand. Big conical grinders are not better so much, just different and if you enjoy the difference, then all is good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    G'day mate...

    If you drink mainly milk based coffee then there's no difference at all to detect in the cup.

    Mal.

    I would beg to differ on this one Mal. I can definitely taste a more complex flavour profile in milk based drinks using conicals. Equally there will be many who can't.
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    Thanks,sorry wasn't referring to conical grinders as a gimmick it was the idea of single dosing as compared to using a hopper. I do mainly drink milk based coffee though I do enjoy an espresso and am keen to perfect them.

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    Single-dosing is certainly not a gimmick - I seriously doubt you'd find anyone here using a large commercial doser grinder by filling the doser. The grounds would be so stale by the time you get to them you might as well buy pre-ground... definitely not fit for a Slayer!

    That said - I'm replacing my conical doser with a timed doserless, largely to improve my workflow, and doser grinders for home use are falling somewhat out of favour.

    I also opted to go for a planar rather than conical after reading the thread on the effect on flavour profile - it's worth noting that the K8 is a planar burr grinder whereas the K10 is a conical. If you haven't already read the thread it's worthwhile; I had previously assumed naively that conical >> flat. So as Mal says choosing between the two probably largely depends on your personal preference.

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    Ok I think I Ive misinterpreted single dosing, I'd never use a doser or fill a doser full of ground coffee and leave it for use later. What I'm talking about is filling a hopper with few hundred grams ( 1 weeks worth) of beans and single dosing from that or only putting in the exact amount of beans.

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    Option A = stale beans in hopper?

    IMO single dosing exact amount is a lot less fiddly than filling hopper each day, emptying it out end of day for a few coffee household. I know people on here who prefer to throw out a shots worth of stale beans etc, but cent's aside, believe it's a waste considering how much labour/time has been put into getting those beans into your home.

    Eagerly waiting for more details on the PKR range, may be the only looney on here to switch from a conical to flat. Will be more than happy to lose a few of those [somewhat subjective] conical notes to make home use a little more user friendly for others in my household.
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    K8 fresh with short hopper is the way I'm going to go. I like chocolate notes and 80% of what I drink is milk based so I think it will more than enough satisfy my needs for a while.
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    Good choice IMO - enjoy!

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    @evro50 you're not the only one - I've just bought an ECM S64 to replace (or perhaps supplement) my Fiorenzato F74k. I reckon a lot of people will be tempted by the PKRs; they look incredible, but beyond what I can justify spending for my use... maybe one will come up second hand in a few years

    Single-dosing can certainly be low-waste, but by my logic there's little point in being anal about a few cents worth of coffee per week if it comes at the expense of quality. One of the factors that convinced me was the supposed impact of "popcorning" on consistency and flavour.

    I'll probably put ~ a day's worth of beans in the ECM hopper and top up each day so there is always weight on the burrs. This was how I used my Sunbeam and I don't think it had a noticeable impact on freshness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
    I would beg to differ on this one Mal. I can definitely taste a more complex flavour profile in milk based drinks using conicals. Equally there will be many who can't.
    I can too mate, with doppio piccolos especially, but most home espresso bars, it's probably going to be line ball, if at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    I can too mate, with doppio piccolos especially, but most home espresso bars, it's probably going to be line ball, if at all...

    Mal.
    Sadly, I cant, the young may not know it but, sadly, the sense of taste deteriorates with age.

    Not saying I cant taste, however don't believe I'm quite as sharp as I used to be.

    Taste buds: Who really gives them a thought? Once you learned about them in grade school, you likely did not consider them the reason for food tasting good or bad, sweet or salty, spicy or mild. When you eat, you either like foods you are trying, or you do not.
    You are born with 9,000 taste buds, which work in tandem with your sense of smell as your sense of taste relies primarily on odors. Your sense of smell and taste change as you age. Between the ages of 40 and 50, the number of taste buds decreases, and the rest begin to shrink, losing mass vital to their operation. After age 60, you may begin to lose the ability to distinguish the taste of sweet, salty, sour, and bitter foods. The sense of smell does not begin to fade until after the age of 70; its decrease exacerbates the loss of taste for those affected.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Decline in sense of smell is also one of the signs of early dementia - just putting it out there ;-)



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