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    Silvia

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    Hi guys,

    Can Silvia owners please tell me how many of you have rust on the iron frame, particularly around the drip tray. This machine is built like a tank, but if the frame rust out, whats the point? Memories of rusting Alfas and Fiats are flooding back ! :o

    Im now thinking of sanding back the rust spots and repainting....

    Also my Silvia is positioned next to the sink. Has anyone tried connecting the outlet straight to the sink/drain bypassing the drip tray?

    Cheers :)

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    Franjae,
    * * *What an odd problem. Ive just had a look at mine (panic) and while there is no rust, I did notice the iron frame is powder coated (at least on the outside) so I wouldnt recommend sanding it back and painting. You may be able to use a rust converter and then touch up with a paint stick.

    Do you have a Silvia with rust or are you asking Do they rust?"

    If yours is rusty, how did it get rusty, is it coming in to contact with water in a place you cant see / get too? Which may indicate a leak is the root cause ?

    How old is this Silvia and how bad is the rust? I reckon if mine caught the rust bug, being made out of stainless and powder coated steel, it would take a few decades to invalidate its functionality. ;D

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    Re: Silvia

    I suspect that rust on the frame around the drip tray may be an issue with some Sylvias. I had also noted similar rust on mine. Id head down the direction Boris suggests....I doubt its likely to be a major issue if watched...

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    Boris, I suggest you keep an eye on it. The frame looks like it is merely painted, not powdercoated....I could be wrong. Look underneath the machine with the drip tray removed. I can see surface rust along where the sections of the frame touches another surface.

    There are two big rust spots at the front of the frame where the tray slides in. This machine is two years old. I am now going to do as you suggest.....use rust converter and touch up with paint. I suspect that section of the frame must have been left damp all the time, steam and water concentrated around this area and maybe due to the drip tray being so shallow, and water not wiped off immediately (BY PREVIOUS OWNER). I guess that nice stainless steel cover keeps in the moisture too!!

    Nothing major, but I was wondering how many of you had that issue.

    franjae

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    Hi franjae,

    After using the trusty Rust Converter, Id recommend going down to your local hardware/paint store and buying a tin of the appropriate shade of "Killrust" Rust-proofing paint.

    This stuff really works and is not only able to prevent further rust but is quite capable of resisting attack by a range of mildly corrosive substances too. Once its on, its there for keeps.

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    Mmm. Interesting point about the iron frame being a weak point.

    Mind you I wonder if the ECM Giotto or even the La Cimbali Junior and the like also have similar steel frames?

    I mean the stainless is used on most machines for panels but not for structural support. This is due to cost as a solid stainless frame would be expensive.

    Grant

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    Re: Silvia

    All the Cimbalis Ive seen appear to have a painted steel frame.

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    Re: Silvia

    Now that Ive had the Silvia for a while, I can understand how the corrosion can happen. The Silvia steams so powerfully that water, etc splashes everywhere (!) and unless you wipe up afterwards, water can accumulate anywhere on the iron frame and rust will set in, if left.

    I have used rust converter and then touched up using black paint over it. As I am now drying everything after use, I dont believe it will remain an issue.

    franjae

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    Re: Silvia

    Quote Originally Posted by franjae link=1117071206/0#7 date=1118639514
    The Silvia steams so powerfully that water, etc splashes everywhere (!) and unless you wipe up afterwards, water can accumulate anywhere on the iron frame and rust will set in, if left.

    franjae
    Hi franjae,

    Youre not wrong about the water and steam going everywhere. Even in my little Mokita the backwash from the 3-Way valve after a brew or three or four, certainly makes a splashy exit into the drip tray, and once there, the steam given off condenses over every metal surface.

    The Mokita doesnt have a frame as such, just uses the s/s panelling in a self supporting design so there is plenty of cool metal around.

    Mal.

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    Re: Silvia

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    My Silvia is only four months old and, touch wood -- or is that stainless steel? -- so far no rust. But I have always been concerned about the potential for rust at the base under the drip tray.

    The reason being that I rarely wipe dry the underneath of the tray after cleaning it. That, together with the sliding action of metal on metal which is bound to scratch the iron base, would appear to create the right environment for rust.

    Having read these posts, drying and being careful not to scratch seem a good alternative to the dreaded rust.



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