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    cafe roma unpressurised basket to buy

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    hi all.

    im seeking some advice after reading a number of posts around here. can anyone tell me what unpressurised basket i should get from coffeeparts to fit the CR? i want a double-shot one only. there are 12gram ones and 14 gram. i just want to make sure it will seal properly and everything.

    grinders are next on the list, hopefully money will permit soon. im just doing this little cheap upgrade now to improve the shots and stop the damn thing blowing! also, any advice on a decent but not too costly tamper, or any other little things i should do to improve things?

    thanks in advance, im hoping the times ahead will bring an improved coffee experiance :)

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    Re: cafe roma unpressurised basket to buy

    Hi Systemist,

    Ive got a Café Roma, and yes, Ive had issues with it. BUT, rest assured that the Breville customer service person I spoke to this morning agrees that my machine sounds faulty - and Ive heard about and seen plenty of success with others Café Romas.

    I believe that if you speak to Breville, they will suggest the Bar Italia baskets (part numbers ESP2/41 and ESP4/51 are the "1-2 cup" baskets for both models of the Bar Italia - I have both and they are almost identical and hold 16-18g ground coffee. The ESP4/51 (newer version) has a slightly better ridge on the basket rim which should translate into a better seal). If your machine is working properly, these baskets should seal reasonably well against the group head. Some people have found that they dont really seal that well though.

    There are also Krups baskets which fit the machine [part numbers: 0907163 (double) and 0925592 (single)] but I have also heard people complaining about the quality of the seal with these baskets.

    Im not sure which baskets youre referring to at CoffeeParts.com; I havent been able to find any that would fit the CR, but I might be wrong.

    I think the best option (if youre game) is to de-pressurise the normal double pressurised basket, either by making the "pin hole" bigger, or by using an angle grinder to take most of the bottom layer off (leaving a rim around the edges so that the top layer is held in). There is a good thread on how to do this here: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1168768543/0. The advantage of this is that the basket is specifically designed to seal against the group head with that seal... so it SHOULD do so.


    However, before you embark on either of these upgrades, youll need a good grinder! The pressurised basket is actually likely to help you make BETTER coffee than unpressurised baskets if youre using a grinder which produced grinds that are uneven or simply too coarse. Once youre using unpressurised baskets, you need everything else to be right - grind, dose, tamp pressure, tamp evenness. This is, of course, what all baristas have to be able to control so its worth practising. I certainly havent got it right yet (not helped by my poorly-sealing machine... but a poor barista [exclusively] blames his tools :P).

    Others will be able to advise you better on tampers, but I know that the CR has smaller baskets than most tampers so youll have to take a basket shopping with you... I think theyre 51mm or something. Tampers that are worth using are generally $50-100 (ie. half the price I paid for my Café Roma!). Which makes it tempting (for me) to make one myself.

    Hope thats helpful.
    Cheers,
    Stuart.

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    Re: cafe roma unpressurised basket to buy

    hi Stuart. thanks for all the tips. it sounds like i might be wisest to just stay with what i have for now and get the beans ground coarser at the shop till i can afford some better gear (been wanting to get the setup going for a while now). since i have no grinder i cant adjust the grind, and the standard plastic tamper also. well id say youve helped me there, so thanks. hopefully soon ill be back to talk grinder choices in not too long :)

    cheers.

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    Re: cafe roma unpressurised basket to buy

    Hi Systemist,

    I have a Macap M4 dosered micrometric, and its just brilliant for its grind and fluffiness. Its currently teamed with the Cafe Roma, and Ive noticed even a 1/4 turn (really tiny on a micrometric) can make the difference between successful pours, and the BANG experience with pressurised baskets.

    I tried the Bar Italia 1-2 cup, purchased new from Breville in the last month, and the holes are so large it needs a coarse grind (20 turns coarser) just for the grounds to stay in the basket. Gushes terribly no matter how hard I tamp, and leaks horribly.

    From recent memory, Coffeeparts.com dont stock the 51.5mm baskets or tampers unfortunately.

    Pullman Tampers - a sponsor youll find on the left of the screen - custom make tampers. They can make the Deluxe to fit our Cafe Roma ~51mm size (to fit your basket exactly), and they are happy to make the TrueTamp rings start at the height you prefer, to suit your dosing style. If youre going to get your own real espresso grinder and have it paired with the CR for a while, the Pullman Tamper will be a must.

    Im planning to upgrade my CR in a couple of months, so Im hanging off purchasing a Pullman Tamper as I wont get much use out of it as all the machines Im looking at have larger baskets. But honestly, I really want one right now just for the difference it will make to my tamping style and consistency.

    Chris from Talk Coffee (site sponsor to the left) supplied me with my Macap M4, and it is utterly amazing. He suggested I upgrade a little from a Compak K3T (while it was still in lengthy transit), and Im so happy he made this choice available to me.

    Good luck on your journey.

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    Re: cafe roma unpressurised basket to buy

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    thanks for the info intelli. its a bother the bar italia isnt that good... i wonder where else i can get a basket to fit the CR...

    anyway, i have time to figure it out since the grinder purchase is a little down the track.

    thanks again :)



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