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    Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

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    Hi All

    This is our first post!
    We have been watching coffee snobs for a couple of months now and have enjoyed watching your different discussions.

    We have decided to buy a machine and was looking to dive into the deep end by getting the Giotto Premium Plus.
    But after discussing with family members we have found a close family friend with a Giotto Premium, the machine is new, still in its box (won as a prize in the last year or so but the winner does not drink tea or coffee)
    We have not seen the machine as yet so cant be 100% sure on condition etc
    What we are wondering is how much the Giotto Premium Plus was improved from the Premium edition?
    Can anybody comment?

    Thanks

    Wayne and Debi

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    Hi and Welcome Wayne and Debi

    It depends on the asking price for the Giotto Premium .If its still in the box then you would expect it to be as new. If they are not asking much for it then go for it
    I assume you are also factoringa grinder into your purchase

    From what I can understand the thermal stability of the GPP is much improved over the GP but there are also modifications you can do to upgrade the GP.

    Chris from Talk Coffee has evaluated the Giotto Premium Plus here.

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    Go for it, the Giotto is a great machine, I have an ECM model about 2 years old now and its fantastic.

    If the price is better than good you could always factor a commission for Chris from Talk Coffee to evaluate the unit for you as you will get an accurate response plus he will be able to do any future maintenance (not that very much is actually required though).

    Personally i would bite the bullet and get it, i dont think you would regret it.

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    We have not talked price as yet
    In fact we have not spoken to the owner of he machine as yet
    The GP machine has only come to light at about 6pm Fri 19/6

    She may want far to much money for it, thus the GPP would be our better option.
    But if it was a fair and resonable price then the debate still reamins on how much better is the GPP over the GP

    Thanks for the quick replies

    Wayne and Debi

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    I would be contacting a sponsor for an answer on that specifically.

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    Sorry about my spelling above!!!

    Thanks bolb, What do you mean ECM Model

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    In that case I would recommend a visit to a sponsor to check out the GPP and give it a try. Then go and visit your relative, and you will be able to talk from a more knowledgeable stance.

    Im not sure what an as-new ECM Giotto would cost these days but I expect it would be less than $2500. Tell her it is a superceded model, offer her $2K and take it from there.

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    Hi Wayne,

    A Giotto Premium at the right price is a good pick up.

    There are significant changes to the external finish and also internal componentry of the machine.

    Our themostability upgrade makes a dramatic difference to a Giotto Premium, but takes time, comes at a cost and the machine needs to come to us to do it. There is a discussion thread at http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1180142910

    The Giotto was produced by ECM (Espresso company Milan) until a couple of years ago when Rocket Espresso purchased the I.P to Giotto and the ECM factory and staff in Milan. New Giotto Premium Plus machines are at a whole new level of quality IMHO. Nevertheless, the Giotto Premium is a very good machine.

    Chris

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    Thanks Flynn Aus

    I followed your link to Chriss review and it answered most of my questions.

    I have been speaking to Chris in the last few days.
    Very helpful gentleman
    Chris must be sick and tired of my phone calls and emails already!!

    Wayne and Debi

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    Quote Originally Posted by 717B6E7979766264170 link=1245409331/6#6 date=1245415903
    Im not sure what an as-new ECM Giotto would cost these days but I expect it would be less than $2500. Tell her it is a superceded model, offer her $2K and take it from there. *
    Way too much IMHO...We sold a near new, thermostability upgraded one with 3 month warranty and tax invoice for $1.8k recently...Perhaps at $1.5k *:-?

    $2k is almost 1.3L Diadema Regal territory and you get the peace of mind of a superbly built, brand new machine and a full warranty...

    Chris

    PS- Worry not Wayne...Its what I do ;)

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    Quote Originally Posted by 12272A2D19052920202323460 link=1245409331/9#9 date=1245416996
    Way too much.....Perhaps at $1.5k
    OK, I should have clarified: "Not sure" = no flippin idea ;D.
    Offer her $1200.

    If it doesnt work out, then you wont be disappointed settling for a new one and youre already in good hands! 8-)

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    Re: Giotto Premium vs Giotto Premium Plus

    Ciao,

    my thoughts are;

    - start at $2000 (if it is indeed brand new)
    - subtract the cost of a thermostability upgrade from Chris (Talk Coffee), with transport figured in
    - apply an appropriate discount, as you deem necessary, for any imperfections
    - enjoy.

    Remember to buy a good grinder (talk to Chris)

    shaun

    ps if you cant work out a deal, get her to PM me.



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