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    Expobar Minore IIII

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    Hi,
    Ive been following recent posts with much interest. A recent poster listed - Diadema Junior Extra, - Bezerra Domus Galatea- Rocket Giotto Premium Plus in his shortlist.
    Would anyone here consider the Expobar Minore III in this category?

    Also do people think a 2 boiler is a good idea or just asking for trouble?

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    Well, I have the Expobar Minore II and I really like it.
    So, yes I would include the Minore III on the short list.
    Some have said it is asking for trouble. I have not owned any other machines in this bracket, so I can only comment on my personal experience. I have had 2 issues requiring a fix to my machine in nearly 3 years. Both were fixed while I waited when I took the machine to the Expobar factory/service centre. I happen to live reasonably close to this place.

    I have said before, it is worth considering the service aspect when choosing your machine. EG: Worst case scenario, it breaks down and needs to go away for fixing. Where does it go? How long do they need it? How does it get there? What do you do for coffee in the meantime?

    The other big thing, as often mentioned, try to get some hands on experience with machines on the short list. You might find that a certain machine just doesnt do it for you in the flesh.

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    Ditto. I have the MIII and have been quite happy with it, but when I went to collect it I saw some other machines there and was glad I had chosen the MIII. Some things like the thickness of the panels or the strength of the chassis dont show up in photos so its worth eyeballing the ones youre considering.

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    Ive no experience with this level of equipment but the Minore III certainly is a beautiful looking machine in the flesh. The built-in PID is a nice feature too.


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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    I dont think youre being fair on the Isomac Mondiale (beautiful panel work, one/off levers for steam etc), or the VBM Domobar Super Lever (steams like a steam train, good componentry).

    The GPP is a great upgrade on the GP, and well worth considering. The Galatea has more character (Ive got one), but to my palette the GP (cant speak for the plus) tends towards more cocoa-y shots, while the Galatea tends towards middle-heavy shots - its harder to find the perfect shot but it pulls out more notes in the middle than most machines - also very forgiving. Shots from the VBM Domobar Super are brighter.

    Expobar are Spanish-made rather than Italian-made and the Minore II had a reputation for technology not finish, with the PID and double-boiler making a number of tech-heads/fiddlers swoon. The III improves on the finish (drip tray especially), and in some ways it has an "I wish I had one" feel to it for me - Id like to get a second grinder for single origins and vary temperatures more. In the end, theres nothing better than walking into a sponsors store and pulling some shots.

    cheers,

    John

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    A closer look of the machine shown Here looks to be a fair appraisal, hope this helps, I personally have no experience of this class of machine.

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    As John says above Doc.... :)

    Best thing you can do is tee-up some hands-on sessions with a couple of reputable specialist dealers and then make up your mind from that. Only way to know for sure which machine really does it for you.

    Which machines you attach to your short-list depends on how you see yourself drinking the end product, more than anything else. The Minore III and other Dual Boiler machines give you the option of being able to "Dial-in" the Brew Water Temperature to suit a particular coffee or your preference for how like to drink a particular coffee.

    You can achieve this to a more limited degree with HX machines as they are essentially designed from the outset to provide the Brew Water at a temperature that sits within a narrow margin of the so-called "ideal" that will be fine for most people and 95% of all coffees used. Although, you can play around with the Brew Water Temperature a little for the first shot pulled in a series. After that though the water temperature is dependent on the machines inherent design.

    Given that the Minore sort of gives you a lot more flexibility (at the cost of a more complex machine, which is close to maturity now I would think) at a similar cost to that of the other machines in your list above, it probably should be on your list too. Certainly cant do any harm to add it and try one out.... ;)

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    Quote Originally Posted by 614C4D465C415C51280 link=1247621106/4#4 date=1247676286
    The III improves on the finish (drip tray especially), and in some ways it has an "I wish I had one" feel to it, for me
    Now , now John , for you to have that third option would just be greedy ...... (I refer to Identitys sig)

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    Quote Originally Posted by 517C7D766C716C61180 link=1247621106/4#4 date=1247676286
    The III improves on the finish (drip tray especially)
    How so John? *:-?

    I have seen about 5 of these machines and I havent observed any change whatsoever to the drip tray?? Still looks like a bain marie tray to this CSer. The new power switch and controller definitely look better though. More importantly, they work better too....

    Theyre still a very good machine though...

    2mcm

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    Re: Expobar Minore IIII

    Ive have the Minore 3 for about 3 weeks now, and Im very happy with it.

    I had a play on a VBM Domobar and was also quite impressed with that.

    Personally, I like the dual boiler configuration of the Minore 3 better than a single boiler HX design (just seems more natural to me that coffee machines should have two boilers). I also prefer having the temperature control of the M3 (even if at the moment, I havent had a real need to adjust it).

    It actually took me longer playing with my grinder (and Ascaso - its grind adjustment knob is very fine, and it also has a timer knob to adjust) than to work the M3 out.

    On the down side of the M3, the drip tray sounds really cheap because the stainless steel is quite thin (but plenty strong enough for what its designed for, and on the plus side its nice and deep), and the way its designed to be removed is really quite silly (functional, but silly).

    The top cover could be better fitting (it fits, but loosely, so you have to place it on top carefully), ...yet the side walls are chunky thick stainless steel (which is very good, and a stark contrast to the drip tray)

    The no burn steam wand of the M3 is also a great feature. The M3 comes with a dual hole steam tip, which I found harder to use than a 4 hole...but with practice its now fine.

    While the M3 could use some finesse in design, its a nice solid machine, and great value for money (if you look around).



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