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    Time to upgrade from a Saeco

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    Greetings all,
    I think my faithful Saeco is no longer up to the mark and Im looking to upgrade. Im very impressed by the Giotto PP and the positive reviews of the Diadema Junior Extra but my big challenge is bench space. At beyond 40 cm deep, Id have no space left for other stuff (like food and other items occasionally necessary between shots).

    From looking elsewhere, the Vibiemme Domobar Junior sounds like its worth a look but are there any others of comparable size that anyone could recommend I check out?

    Thanks.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    What about this one in the for sale section?

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1271577865

    what sort of budget are you working on?

    Do you have a grinder?, im sure youve read the info on the importance of a quality grinder with any of these top end machines ;)

    cheers
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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Thanks Warren.

    That does indeed look good although Im in Sydney and not dropping by Melbourne any time soon.

    Budget up to $3 000 for the machine alone ($3 500 at a pinch).

    Im absolutely going to source a quality grinder as a priority (as in, more urgently than the machine) but thought Id go to one of the sponsors shops and check out one of the stepless grinders.

    Cheers,

    Andrew.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 414E445245570E57454154484552414C4C200 link=1272029845/2#2 date=1272057662
    Thanks Warren.

    That does indeed look good although Im in Sydney and not dropping by Melbourne any time soon.

    Budget up to $3 000 for the machine alone ($3 500 at a pinch).

    Im absolutely going to source a quality grinder as a priority (as in, more urgently than the machine) but thought Id go to one of the sponsors shops and check out one of the stepless grinders.

    Cheers,

    Andrew.
    If its bench space and a classic look.. dont forget this one..

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1268892988

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Hi Andrew

    The Junior has the smallest footprint, is a superb machine and well within your budget. It will leave you with enough cash for a great choice of grinders eg. Macap M4D.

    Would be happy to assist.

    Cheers!


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    Hi Andrew,

    I have a VBM Jnr and I am very happy. I too had limited bench space hence the jnr.

    As usual after you buy something you occasionally have second thoughts.

    My only regret is that I didnt see the Diademas in the flesh - coz in pictures the finish looks awesome.

    The VBM is more angular in design with some sharp edges.

    You should be looking at Giotto PP, Diadema Junior Extra and VBM Domobar Jr - if space is an issue get the VBM but the others arent THAT much bigger.

    The other thing to watch out for is the milk steaming on the VBM. It steams like a V8 supercar - so for the uninitiated it can be a little daunting and the angle of the steam holes makes it more difficult to get used to - but everything is fixable with practice...

    I still havent seen a Diadema in the flesh, but they do look nice in pictures.

    Whatever you choose - dont rush your decision coz hopefully whatever you buy you will be keeping for a long time.

    I hope this helps.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Thanks Bennett, thats a big help. Ill go ahead and look at these and see where I end up.

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    Hi Andy, I too am a happy VBM Jnr owner. My space issues werent as significant as yours, but my wife didnt want a massive machine on the bench. I made up a couple of mock ups from cardboard to sit on the bench and see how they fit. Obviously didnt look as nice, but gave me and my wife a ggod idea. All the dimensions are on Talk Coffee web site. Enjoy the search, and I dont doubt any of your options will be great. Bennett, the Diademas finish is beautiful, was a very tight finish in the end.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 0A13141215185759610 link=1272029845/7#7 date=1272242648
    Hi Andy, I too am a happy VBM Jnr owner.....*All the dimensions are on Talk Coffee web site.....

    Krusty
    Glad you like yours Krusty...

    For mine, the Domobar Junior is a clear winner for the best performing small form factor HX machine on the market..Great HX design, no cooling flush, real e-61 bits and easy fill...

    What more would you want?

    For those looking, we have a few cheapie excess units which need to go. See our sponsor area.

    Chris

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F464147404D020C340 link=1272029845/7#7 date=1272242648
    Bennett, the Diademas finish is beautiful, was a very tight finish in the end.
    Yeah, I thought so from the pictures. I dont regret buying the VBM Jnr, coz its just so easy to use and its still quite pretty. I think its the best bang for buck Hx machine and the money I saved by not buying the giotto pp or the diadema went towards my grinder, plus it keeps my wife happy coz it doesnt take up the whole kitchen. *;D

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Hey Andrew can you set up the machine @ grinder on a trolley as some CSers have done when space is at a premium

    KK

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Hey KK,
    Thats an intriguing idea, I would never have come up with that. I think if I rationalise some of the junk on the bench, Ill be able to get a machine in the kitchen in (obviously with enough room to actually access the machine and grinder well).

    Its certainly nice to hear good reports on the VBM (including from the sponsors). Now I just want to get out there and have a look! Just have to start putting the same amount of research into the grinder.




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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 66696375627029706266736F6275666B6B070 link=1272029845/11#11 date=1272285053
    Hey KK,
    Thats an intriguing idea, I would never have come up with that. I think if I rationalise some of the junk on the bench, Ill be able to get a machine in the kitchen in (obviously with enough room to actually access the machine and grinder well). *
    The kitchen trolleys I have seen CSers use are from IKEA and Bunnings


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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 020D071106144D140602170B0611020F0F630 link=1272029845/0#0 date=1272029845
    At beyond 40 cm deep, Id have no space left for other stuff (like food and other items occasionally necessary between shots).
    I had the same concern which is why I bought a Bezzera BZ99S. At 380mm, the depth is the least of any readily available HX machine. It is a bit wider than some at 310mm but for me, it was a worthwhile trade off.

    Of course, it isnt as pretty as the other recommended machines in this thread + it lacks that flash e61 group but that doesnt stop mine making espresso that is as good as that from any other machine I have ever come across.

    Barazi have some 2nd hand ones which would be a great deal if you live in/near Brisbane.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 515B5B545B5D5F3A0 link=1272029845/13#13 date=1272542231
    Quote Originally Posted by 020D071106144D140602170B0611020F0F630 link=1272029845/0#0 date=1272029845
    At beyond 40 cm deep, Id have no space left for other stuff (like food and other items occasionally necessary between shots).
    I had the same concern which is why I bought a Bezzera BZ99S. At 380mm, the depth is the least of any readily available HX machine.
    The VBM D Jnr has a depth of 350mm ... which is the clincher for a lot of folks.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    I thought the VBM D Jnr had a depth of 400 mm - if its that much smaller, that might well be the clincher.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 65676B7664636A6A060 link=1272029845/14#14 date=1272585423
    The VBM D Jnr has a depth of 350mm ... which is the clincher for a lot of folks.
    Can someone confirm this??

    I find varying specs on the height and depth of this machine when looking at it on various web sites. Some save it is 350mm deep and 400mm tall while others have it the other way around and some US sites have it as 16" (400m tall) and 17" (425mm) deep.

    It certainly look deeper than it is tall in pictures but theyre all offset so you cant be sure and I cant find it on the manufacturers (crappy) site.

    On any other site, Id provide some links........... :P

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    400 deep, 390 high, 230 wide.

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    OK, hope I havent mislead. Apologies if I have. I dont have one - but I was very interested in one before I picked up an alternative machine second-hand. It was the 350mm depth that had me interested ... if thats wrong, Id be keen to hear too.

    I was basing my 350mm comment on the specs here:
    http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/downloads/coffee-machines/vibiemme-domobar-junior-flyer.pdf

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Quote Originally Posted by 64666A7765626B6B070 link=1272029845/18#18 date=1272781326
    OK, hope I havent mislead. Apologies if I have. I dont have one - but I was very interested in one before I picked up an alternative machine second-hand. It was the 350mm depth that had me interested ... if thats wrong, Id be keen to hear too.

    I was basing my 350mm comment on the specs here:
    http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/downloads/coffee-machines/vibiemme-domobar-junior-flyer.pdf
    And we got it from here: http://www.espressocompany.com.au/vibiemme-domobar-jnr.htm

    Ill double check when I am next at the shed...

    Chris

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Now Im worried that I cant read a tape measure. Ill have to double check when I get home.

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    To round it off, while at the Australian Coffee Festival at Randwick Racecourse today I ordered one off the guys at Di Bartoli (one of those very nice CS sponsors everyone keeps talking about). The height is definitely 380-390 mm with a depth of 400 mm (and width as previously stated). Had a great shot from one of the machines on display and when displayed next to the Giotto PP and Bezerra Domus Galatea, it was really clear that it had a much smaller footprint, which suited my space challenges.

    Thanks everyone for all the help, Ill be enjoying the new machine next weekend (with the aid of the Mazzer Mini I also included in my order). :)

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    Congrats and good choice. Glad I got the measurements right. Enjoy your new toy, next things to get into home roasting.

    Krusty

    ps. Time to add a signature listing your gear ;D

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Got it today and couldnt be happier (and, might I say, awesome service from Renzo at Di Bartoli).


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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Great combo! ;)

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    Re: Time to upgrade from a Saeco

    Thanks Bennett, I obviously agree. Of course, the only potential weak link in the set up is now me! :)



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