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    25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I am interested in getting a minore III.
    Im wondering how to justify turning on the 2000w element for 25 mins to get up to running temp, only to pour two shots then turn it off to go to work. :-?Same after work.
    I cant just leave it on 24/7 so when I want a cup its ready to go, but I cant turn it on for 25 mins just to have a cup of coffee. :o
    How much is the element working in the warm up phase, full time?
    Is it like boiling the kettle for 25 mins?
    :-?

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 68737279791C0 link=1273145492/0#0 date=1273145492
    How much is the element working in the warm up phase, full time?
    Is it like boiling the kettle for 25 mins?
    The element does indeed work like a kettle
    As with the kettle it will switch off when boiled

    Likewise with the coffee machine it will switch off and back on again when the temp is below the set range
    In a word it cycles
    These cycles after the initial first boil may last 10 to 15 seconds or less on some machines for as long as the machine is turned on and when the temp falls below the set range

    30 minutes are required to heat up all the metal parts of the brew section

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    tonee

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    I dont know how long the element would be on over the 25 minutes you mentioned. *Certainly it would be full blast until the boiler go to the right temp. *Then the thermostat would take control and the element would flick on and off to maintain that temp. *It would not be on the whole time. *
    Watching the PID on a silvia most of the time it showed it was just sipping power to keep the temp right. After about 10 minutes the Giotto element seems to be off more than it is on:

    2 More to the point: - Even if the element was full blast for 30 minutes it would only use 20 cents of electricity ( 2Kw @ say 20c per Kw hour for 1/2hour!
    That is 10c per cup! - much less than the cost of good beans!

    Sorry if my maths is wrong.

    The only real problem you have is having to wait in anticipation for 25 minutes for a life changing coffee experience - I think it is worth the wait :) :). *

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 607B7A7171140 link=1273145492/0#0 date=1273145492
    I am interested in getting a minore III.
    Im wondering how to justify turning on the 2000w element for 25 mins to get up to running temp, only to pour two shots then turn it off to go to work. *:-?Same after work.
    :-?
    whats to justify? just except it as your guilty pleasure :)

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    ok....ok.....well so much for trying to talk myself out of it that way 8-)
    appreciated.

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Actually....

    Its not that big a deal with the Minore as the Boilers are insulated straight from the factory so warm-up (heat-up) time is relatively short and thereafter maintained with very small amount of energy....

    Mal.

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    My Expobar takes about the same time as the kettle to boil; about two minutes.
    Then, as already stated, it needs about 30 minutes for everything else to warm up before its ready for brewing.

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Drop into your local supermarket and for about $12 you can buy a power-point style timer (2 actually) that switches it on for you, so it can be ready and hot when you awake in the morning, off during the day, and back on for you when you return from work. It also has an override switch that allows the current settings to be kept but override it with non-stop power for say, weekends, when you like to have a few more cups during the day.

    I love my timer! No getting up at 5am to turn on my machine, and its hot when I blearily walk downstairs every morning.

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    Yep.. didnt realize how little power they chew...and a timer is the go for sure.
    Thanks for the info all ;)

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    So when is the new machine coming home tonee

    And when it does, post some photos please mate ;)
    We cant get enough bling a ling

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 4D6A706168686D606174706C040 link=1273145492/7#7 date=1273232338
    I love my timer! No getting up at 5am to turn on my machine, and its hot when I blearily walk downstairs every morning.
    This is the best idea ever, i cant believe i never thought of it.
    haha ;D

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 45415A4F5C412E0 link=1273145492/10#10 date=1273985494
    Quote Originally Posted by 4D6A706168686D606174706C040 link=1273145492/7#7 date=1273232338
    I love my timer! No getting up at 5am to turn on my machine, and its hot when I blearily walk downstairs every morning.
    This is the best idea ever, i cant believe i never thought of it.
    haha ;D
    Just read some of teh other posts on this subject of timers etc etc.. Depending on ya machine there are some traps and pitfalls.

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Oh, thanks AM, ill be sure to check it out before i run it.
    the only thing i can think of at this stage is that, when considering La Pavoni leva machines, they heat up the showerscreen and group very quickly so
    a) this waiting for 20mins idea is probably not soo much of an issue for me.
    b) if i got round to cooking up a brew any later than i had planned in setting the timer, i could burn it on the showerscreen when putting the group in the head ??

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B5F4451425F300 link=1273145492/12#12 date=1273986205
    Oh, thanks AM, ill be sure to check it out before i run it.
    the only thing i can think of at this stage is that, when considering La Pavoni leva machines, they heat up the showerscreen and group very quickly so
    a) this waiting for 20mins idea is probably not soo much of an issue for me.
    b) if i got round to cooking up a brew any later than i had planned in setting the timer, i could burn it on the showerscreen when putting the group in the head ??
    Most here are refrencing HX and others that may have a bit of a start up time..

    Care to update ya sig / profile so we know what equipment ya got :D

    On the look out for a leaver to rebuild so other lever users always good to identify :D

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 123D3436211E323D3234363E363D27530 link=1273145492/13#13 date=1273986675
    Care to update ya sig / profile so we know what equipment ya got *:D
    There ya go AM,
    the Pav will be my first serious espresso machine, however i have had experience on them before (LOVED every minute of it). :D

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 507F7674635C707F7076747C747F65110 link=1273145492/13#13 date=1273986675
    Care to update ya sig / profile so we know what equipment ya got *


    Ability is nothing without opportunity: Napoleon Bonaparte: *But Assumptions KILL.
    Must read another book by Dr Rodney Syme.
    Somewhat ironic request there *;)

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 594B483E0 link=1273145492/15#15 date=1273991196
    Quote Originally Posted by 507F7674635C707F7076747C747F65110 link=1273145492/13#13 date=1273986675
    Care to update ya sig / profile so we know what equipment ya got *


    Ability is nothing without opportunity: Napoleon Bonaparte: *But Assumptions KILL.
    Must read another book by Dr Rodney Syme.

    Somewhat ironic request there *;)
    ;D

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    Quote Originally Posted by 203B3A3131540 link=1273145492/0#0 date=1273145492
    justify turning on the 2000w element for 25 mins t
    Easy buy a 1000W Pavoni, up to temp in 13-14 minutes coffee made drunk and finished before you are brewing ::)

    With the cycle time after the initial heat up it is more like 15 minutes at the 2000W at most, compared to buying a potential cup of muck on the way to work well worth the few cents.

    I see AM has changed his tag line PMSL ;D ;D ;D

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    +1 @ beanflying.
    :)

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    Re: 25 mins, pour and turn off??

    You will find the Minore gives priority to the steam boiler first when heating up so you could always make the other half or children hot chocolate while waiting for the brew boiler! ;D



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