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    Silvia or Better???

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    Hi,

    I am very close to purchasing a new machine.. In fact, Im heading off to Melb soon to complete my purchase...

    I was explaining the Pro & Cons of the Silvia to my partner... I was then faced with a question...

    "Would it be worth getting something a little bit better than the Silvia?"

    I had a quick look around and a few of the others that have caught my eye are the Domobar Piccolo and the Isomaz Zaffiro...

    Does anyone have any comment on this? Silvia or something better?

    I know, if I go the way of the Silvia, that it would be with me for years to come, but as my skills increase, will I still be happy with the Silvia?

    Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Quote Originally Posted by 48574C595750615C524B5B3E0 link=1281919213/0#0 date=1281919213
    "Would it be worth getting something a little bit better than the Silvia?"

    I had a quick look around and a few of the others that have caught my eye are the Domobar Piccolo and the Isomaz Zaffiro...

    If you can afford a better machine, then my advice is yes

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Quote Originally Posted by 795D545457576D795D415F5D320 link=1281919213/1#1 date=1281919419
    If you can afford a better machine, then my advice is yes

    KK
    I agree with KK spending a bit extra now can save in the long run. The VB and Isomac you are looking at are close in price to some HX machines you might look at depending whether you drink milk based or espresso type drinks..Check some of the sponsors they have some great deals..

    Cheers Gra..

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Go straight to an HX machine, if you can afford to. It will save having to upgrade later on.

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    Thanks for the replies.. I presume HX = heat exchanger.. :) Is it possible to get some examples of the machines you are referring to? What are the pros & cons with these types of machines?

    P.s. Arghhh.. Not another decision / type to look at! I had a laugh.

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    Sounds like youre in the same position I was.
    Im really happy I went with a Heat eXchanger machine.

    But you should try both a silvia and an HX out in person, otherwise youll always wonder"What if...?"

    Itll cost you roughly double for an HX machine (minimum $1500). But you;ll get a totally different experience. Better coffee, much easier and more enjoyable process, and youll never want to upgrade.

    Its difficult to justify that cost (plus grinder) for a cappuccino or 2 per day, but youll own it for many many years, and itll probably pay for itself after 5.

    HX is the logical upgrade to a Silvia. If you have enough cash for an HX, why bother with the Silvias lengthy, frustrating and ultimately fairly pointless learning process?

    If you dont have enough cash. Save up until you do! buy a good grinder now and a cheap stovetop machine.

    Dont fret too much about which HX to go for since theyre all actually very similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C444A4343562F0 link=1281919213/5#5 date=1281938638
    why bother with the Silvias lengthy, frustrating and ultimately fairly pointless learning process?
    Um, I had Silvia for almost 10 years and sold her for 2/3 of what she cost me. Whats more I almost cried the day she went to her new home because I loved every minute with her!

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C444A4343562F0 link=1281919213/5#5 date=1281938638
    But you should try both a silvia and an HX out in person, otherwise youll always wonder"What if...?"
    I like this advice better! Everybodys different!

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    VirginBlue:

    I am in a similar position to you. I have had a Gaggia Classic for 6 years now, and love it to bits... I have learnt so much about coffee from it, I would like to keep it going, but it is time to upgrade, as it cant keep up the pace anymore!

    I have been researching the Expobar Office Semi-auto, and the Nuova Simonelli Oscar. Both are Hx machines, the Expobar retails for around $1600, and the Oscar for around $1300. Both have pros and cons, currently leaning towards the Expobar because I have been told that the Oscar cannot go on a timer, and I like to set the timer to come on at 5.30am, so when I get up at 6am, it is ready to rumble!

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Quote Originally Posted by 625744250 link=1281919213/2#2 date=1281924452
    The VB and Isomac you are looking at are close in price to some HX machines
    So Im guessing the VB & Isomac Zaffiro are NOT HX machines? Can someone suggest some HX Machines? Im not sure how to pick which machines are HX and which ones are not HX...

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3D22392C22251429273E2E4B0 link=1281919213/8#8 date=1281962950
    So Im guessing the VB & Isomac Zaffiro are NOT HX machines? Can someone suggest some HX Machines? Im not sure how to pick which machines are HX and which ones are not HX...

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    Adrian
    Depends on what price range, Build quality & finish you want

    Generally they range from + or - $1800 to $2400

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    I guess around the $1800 mark since Im comparing it to the VBM & Zaffiro... :)

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Quote Originally Posted by 28372C393730013C322B3B5E0 link=1281919213/10#10 date=1281963505
    I guess around the $1800 mark since Im comparing it to the VBM & Zaffiro... :)
    Expobar Office Semi-Automatic from Di Bartoli 0n special $1600

    http://www.dibartoli.com.au/products.asp?cid=21



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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Quote Originally Posted by 746B70656B6C5D606E7767020 link=1281919213/8#8 date=1281962950
    Can someone suggest some HX Machines?
    best bet would be to check out some of the sponsors sites (listed on the left of the page <----)

    every extra bit of cash you invest now is just that... an investment.

    nothing wrong with having all the gear and no idea while youre learning but in later years once youve gained some ideas, youll wish your gears were better :D

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Quote Originally Posted by 49564D585651605D534A5A3F0 link=1281919213/8#8 date=1281962950
    Quote Originally Posted by 625744250 link=1281919213/2#2 date=1281924452
    The VB and Isomac you are looking at are close in price to some HX machines
    So Im guessing the VB & Isomac Zaffiro are NOT HX machines? Can someone suggest some HX Machines? Im not sure how to pick which machines are HX and which ones are not HX...

    Thanks
    Adrian

    Nope, they are both boilers... which in itself is not a bad thing. By all accounts they both make excellent espresso, and are extremely good-looking machines! But Boilers begin to fall down when you need to make more than 2 milk-based drinks. I could get 4 out of my Gaggia, when it was in its prime, but that has only a 120ml boiler, the machines you mention have 600ml.... So I reckon you could steam enough milk for 4 coffees easily. The biggest issue would be the wait time, I reckon, by the time you pull two doubles, then wait for the boiler to heat up enough steam, the first shots pulled would be five minutes old.... whereas a Hx machine, you can start steaming as you pull the second shots.....
    I have not used either the Expobar or Oscar as yet... waiting to head up to Perth to see if anyone stocks them!

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    I bought the Zaffiro. Im the only coffee drinker in the house, and I am trying to grow my espresso palate. I dont drink milk based coffees that often (maybe 2 a week) and the $300-$600 I saved on buying a single boiler machine meant I could get a good grinder too (and a Behmor).

    I dont regret the decision, but there is a lag between pulling the shot, and steaming the milk. The end result is up to 2 minutes between pulling your shot, and finishing your milk pour. This would get tedious twice a day.

    If you are big on milk, get a HX. Entry level will be a couple of hundred $$ more, but will pay for itself in convenience.

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    Thanks Big Louie,
    I have been looking around at the HX machines and there are lots around the $1900-2000 mark.. Def worth looking at.. And now lots more choices to make!

    One comment I would make for a single boiler non-HX machine is that a larger boiler would slow down the transition between brewing temp & steaming temp.. Or am I missing something here? I had a laugh

    Adrian

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    Re: Silvia or Better???

    Quote Originally Posted by 564E4049495C250 link=1281919213/5#5 date=1281938638
    Dont fret too much about which HX to go for since theyre all actually very similar.
    Yes most HX machines are similar but definitely talk to the sponsors rather than shopping for some "cheap" deal online or elsewhere. HX machines are considered semi-commercial, and in a low-use domestic environment used to be famous for needing a good cooling flush if left on for a while... not a huge problem but is a bit of a hassle, waste of water and if you forget to flush it then a waste of time as you have a wasted shot and have to start again...
    A lot of machines are set up better for domestic use these days, especially by many of the sponsors who will check your machine out and make sure its set up properly for you.
    Plenty of people use Silvias and are very happy with them, but if youre at all prone to upgradeitis (and it sounds like you might be) then you could save money in the long run by buying a HX straight up. just include room in the budget for a decent grinder if you dont already have one



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